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By: Sarah Jones
Joy Reid dropped a little Benghazi lying leaker bomb yesterday on the Reid Report blog. A trusted source of hers told her to look at the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs. One person who stood out to her was Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK), who was on Morning Joe on May 9th, the day before the now debunked Benghazi email bombshell, claiming that there were glaring omissions in what was given to the intelligence committee, but that he couldnt talk about it yet.
Senator Coburn appears to be referencing the email that was edited and shopped by Republicans on Capitol Hill to media outlets, and picked up by the gullible rube Jonathan Karl at ABC, as well as repeated by The Weekly Standard and a CBS reporter. This suggests that he saw the edited version of the email that was leaked by Republicans.
The Reid Report detailed on Saturday:
A very trusted source of mine gave me a cryptic piece of advice yesterday, which was to take a look at the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs. I didnt know quite what to make of it at the time, but tonight it occurred to me: could someone on that committee also have been on the Select Committee on Intelligence, which is the one that got the email briefing in February?
Heres the Republican membership of the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee (the Committee is chaired by Democrat Thom Carper of Delaware):
Tom Coburn, (OK) Ranking Member
John McCain (AZ)
Ron Johnson (WI)
Rob Portman (OH)
Rand Paul (KY)
Mike Enzi (WY)
Kelly Ayotte (NH)
Pretty juicy list! Note how stacked the minority side of the committee is with presidential aspirants, potential aspirants, a former aspirant, and some of the most hardcore tea party Senators, including some, like Rand Paul, John McCain and Kelly Ayotte, who have gone after, first Susan Rice, and then Hillary Clinton guns blazing on Benghazi. But only one of those Senators ALSO sits on the Select Committee on Intelligence which is the one that my administration source says got the February briefing
And that person is Tom Coburn.
Joy Reid points out that On May 9th literally the day before Jonathan Karls bombshell report went live, Coburn appeared on MSNBCs and said that the State Department was going to be in trouble because of glaring omissions that he could not discuss yet, but he assured us all would come out eventually.
Episode cued up per Joy Reid to the relevant part:
- more -
http://www.politicususa.com/day-benghazi-email-sen-coburn-referenced-glaring-omission-talk.html
Doctored Benghazi e-mails rankle Dem lawmaker
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022864633
Republicans suddenly rushing to cover their asses after doctored email exposed
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022867117
Updated to add screen grab of the Morning Joe segment:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3036789/ns/msnbc-morning_joe/vp/51827925#51827925
Kingofalldems
(38,451 posts)divert our attention with the so called IRS scandal.
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)Thank you for posting this.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)DonViejo
(60,536 posts)he's been trained by the right wing
Karl came to mainstream journalism via the Collegiate Network, an organization primarily devoted to promoting and supporting right-leaning newspapers on college campuses (Extra!, 9-10/91)such as the Rutgers paper launched by the infamous James OKeefe (Political Correction, 1/27/10). The network, founded in 1979, is one of several projects of the Intercollegiate Studies Institute, which seeks to strengthen conservative ideology on college campuses. William F. Buckley was the ISIs first president, and the current board chair is American Spectator publisher Alfred Regnery. Several leading right-wing pundits came out of Collegiate-affiliated papers, including Ann Coulter, Dinesh D'Souza, Michelle Malkin, Rich Lowry and Laura Ingraham (Washington Times, 11/28/04).
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251306651
NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)maybe was looking for a way to get ahead with them.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Cha
(297,146 posts)I posted on Joy Reid's report last night..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251306751
thanks for Sarah Jones' piece continuing in this vein, ProSense!
Cha
(297,146 posts)the "talking points" that the doctored fake ones had. Is that what ol coburn was refering to?
thanks for adding the vid of coburn, PS.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)And that person is Tom Coburn.
This goes directly to the point that the doctored email was being included in Congressional hearings.
Issa's spokesman admitted that in a statement denying that they saw the doctored e-mail before hand: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022864633
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)I would like to see which Republican is going to stand up and tell the truth now. It seems as their whistle blowers has testified and no big revelations so what is their next step. Its time for some honesty and this will have to come from those so happy to spread lies.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Here: http://blog.reidreport.com/2013/05/benghazi-emails-whodunit/
I thought I posted a DU thread with the Joy Reid article yesterday but I guess I forgot
I did tweet it out on Twitter, so that's something.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Talk about subversives and a group intent on overthrowing our duly elected government!
There's another word for that.
Can anyone else think what that is?
Euphoria
(448 posts)nt
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)I'm agreeing with you on the "T" word!
jmowreader
(50,553 posts)Treason is one of two things: holding a shooting war against your own country, or aiding the enemy like Ronald Reagan did by selling missiles to Iran.
Sedition is attempting to overthrow the government using methods not approved of by the Constitution, like whatever Republicans doctored those emails.
And this time some low-level staffer can't take the heat. You know the Repugnants are going to roll out the bottom-rung guy who actually knows how to use Word and claim youthful indiscretion...oh, young Joe decided to use three tablespoons of coffee per cup this time and, buzzing from ultra-strong coffee and his first cigar, decided to tamper with official emails as a joke that got out of hand. No! Some senator, or a group of them - Republicans are pack animals - is hip deep in shit over this.
How to know who did it: start questioning office supply stores. You are looking for bulk purchases of hard drives made in the 48 hours after Editgate was made public, because no one is going to keep a hard drive that ever held evidence he tried to overthrow the government.
spanone
(135,823 posts)DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)spanone
(135,823 posts)Bigmack
(8,020 posts)... the stories that explain the "scandals" and point to the Teapublicans simply aren't getting any broad media reporting.
Pres Obama went up a couple of points in approval, but the real story is that the Republibaggers lied.
We got nothin' from the MSM.
pscot
(21,024 posts)going on and Republicans are being targeted. The leak to the AP may have come from a GOP Senator. The security establishment is all stirred up over it. We lost a valuable intelligence asset because of it, and the bad guys went into hiding. Serious stuff, since we are at war.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)What is that, anyway. A bunch of old white people divided into camps who watch various versions of make believe.
It's the interwebs we need to master. That's where the fast paced broad appeal is. The world changes due to smartphones and webcams. The proof is in how dangerous the authorities see them and wish to take them.
Gun or smartphone. Which wins the revolution. Facts and photos kill lies and bullshit.
Keep it verifiable and we win over the corporate bloat.
Old people aren't profecient enough in tech to master it before their nap time.
We win! And we start by killing their Buzz words like scandle and anything Gate. Mock them.
Constantly ask for proof and references. No free rides!
icarusxat
(403 posts)50 plus?
Be glad I am on the side of truth and justice...
You do make a very good point however, mock the Fox folk fools who went senile and think that what we are getting on teevee is still honest...
I don't know and refuse to participate in social media. Tumblr? Facebook? No friggin way!
I like my privacy.
aquart
(69,014 posts)Go forth and trend.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)sheshe2
(83,744 posts)Isoldeblue
(1,135 posts)Now it looks like they've got one; one of their own, with gobs of egg on their face!
We need to keep this going. It's a travesty.
Joy, you rock!!
Botany
(70,490 posts)Me thinks a Coburn staff person is gonna fall on his or her sword ASAP
RussBLib
(9,006 posts)How many Republicans were knowingly pushing lies?
Although, in Christianland, I'm sure it's quite OK to lie if you are lying to try to bring down Obama.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"How many Republicans were knowingly pushing lies? "
...it's going to be interesting. Issa's spokesperson is already denying any knowledge: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022864633
Sen. Coburn Likely Leaker of Bogus Benghazi Emails
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/20/1210351/-Sen-Coburn-Likely-Leaker-of-Bogus-Benghazi-Emails
Not sure it was Coburn, but he clearly has some explaining to do.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)hue
(4,949 posts)DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)AndyA
(16,993 posts)The doctor who's also a Senator.
I called his office once and asked them if it was his patients or his constituents who got the short end of the stick, since both were "full time" jobs. They couldn't answer me.
I think it's obvious that BOTH his patients and his constituents get much less than they deserve.
Supposedly he isn't running for office again, last I heard.
spanone
(135,823 posts)s-cubed
(1,385 posts)I think it was just before the "whistle blowers" testimony on Friday, but could he have also known about the doctored emails? I think people assumed he was hoping the testimony would be damaging, but in hindsight, maybe not.
If the doctored emails involve 2 senators, that's a real SCANDA!
alfredo
(60,071 posts)is it illegal to alter them?
jmowreader
(50,553 posts)The GOP was using this set as evidence of wrongdoing. Evidence can't be altered to falsely damage the defendant.(If the cops bring in...oh, a big green van made out of marijuana, say...and they cut off a piece and chop it up to test it, that's not altering evidence. If the cops bring in a big green van made out of fiberglass and spray-paint it with hash oil before cutting part off of it, that is altering evidence. And tampering with evidence gets you sent to a not-very-nice place.
alfredo
(60,071 posts)dmr
(28,347 posts)Coburn's slick and corrupt.
The Senate Dems would be foolish not to investigate this.
Not to, would provide the Repubs a license to carry on as the enemy of the State.
landolfi
(234 posts)Blue Owl
(50,349 posts)Hi Karl!
brett_jv
(1,245 posts)It's really not 'like' Rove, et al, to be so careless (and straight-forward) in his trickery as what we're suspecting them of here.
What I'm getting at here is this: what if it eventually comes out that the GOP guys provided the 'real' emails, and the WH proffered the 'doctored' ones, not knowing that the 'real' ones had already been delivered to teh GOP?
It wouldn't be the first time Rove outsmarted 'our side'.
Don't get me wrong, I really, really hope that this isn't what happened (and, in fact, I *DOUBT* that is what happened), but I have had this lingering fear ever since Unkle Karl tricked Dan Rather ... that this f***er is one smart, sly bastard ...
redqueen
(115,103 posts)alfredo
(60,071 posts)they seem to hit is their own foot.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)the Republican version.
And it is also unlikely because the White House released so many of the e-mails pertaining to this issue. That reduces the likelihood that they doctored any of them.
Remember, in this day and age of e-mails, an e-mail is usually sent to a number of people in situations like that following Benghazi. The e-mail was part of a committee effort. So, a number of people would have copies on their computers and in their e-mails. It would be pretty impossible to falsify or deny the contents of e-mails today. And e-mails can often be electronically recovered by experts if lost.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)You give him too much credit. Turdblossom is a laughing stock.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)vetting it adequately. I still think that if that document was not the original, it was far more closely like the actual document than the e-mail in question here. The "news" reporter who failed to vet the e-mail text he was provided in this Benghazi case should meet the same fate as Dan Rather at the very least.
spanone
(135,823 posts)Ninga
(8,275 posts)bastards...all of them...
southern_belle
(1,647 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)Particularly the Tea Party bunch.