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MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:31 PM May 2013

Hey! Paul Krugman had a meeting at the White House today!

Ha! Consider yourself punked!



No meeting. We're still in fully-descredited common-sense belt-tightening bipartisan austerity that has never ever worked mode. Except for bankers who get unlimited cash with zero interest.

Return to your regular programming, chumps.

(Reality seems to have no bearing on reality these days... gets frustrating...)

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Hey! Paul Krugman had a meeting at the White House today! (Original Post) MannyGoldstein May 2013 OP
Well, the Dow is at a new all-time high. Nye Bevan May 2013 #1
The DOW has exactly nothing to do with the "real" economy anymore, truebluegreen May 2013 #24
The Dow. Vegas gambling without the regulations. n/t Bonhomme Richard May 2013 #70
Very annoying post HERVEPA May 2013 #2
Yes Annoying But Consider The Source Indykatie May 2013 #3
only annoying if it strikes some kind of nerve Skittles May 2013 #12
+1 n/t markpkessinger May 2013 #19
+1 Scuba May 2013 #50
+1. nt OnyxCollie May 2013 #57
They've got Krugman locked out...fools... tokenlib May 2013 #61
Here too. bvar22 May 2013 #71
+1 dflprincess May 2013 #79
+1 woo me with science May 2013 #83
YEE HAW WOO ME Skittles May 2013 #85
"I hate those guys" - Dean Wormer MannyGoldstein May 2013 #14
You can become the Governor of New Jersey. Not exactly what one would call an honorable position, Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #37
Hmm... do I have to become a resident? nm MannyGoldstein May 2013 #52
Pricked a nerve? Jakes Progress May 2013 #67
Manny is a Red Sox fan so.. pangaia May 2013 #72
+ a million. Number23 May 2013 #77
Well I'm very annoyed MannyGoldstein May 2013 #4
+26.2 GeorgeGist May 2013 #7
LOL. You want reality to be real? Really? REALLY? Just stop fighting it and take a drink. rhett o rick May 2013 #9
Inserts easily. Well lubed. MannyGoldstein May 2013 #11
We apparently differ on what's considered a "treat". I am going to have a stiff drink now. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #28
WTF is wrong with people who don't know how to use IGNORE? Skittles May 2013 #13
Oh, a whole lot of 'em *do* know how to use it MannyGoldstein May 2013 #15
I agree. That danged Manny. What are we going to do with him? rhett o rick May 2013 #5
Whatever you do, make sure MannyGoldstein May 2013 #8
What's jury duty? nm rhett o rick May 2013 #10
A ritual performed by early 21st-century humans MannyGoldstein May 2013 #16
Ok, now I know you're making this shit up. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #27
I'll bet. /nt Marr May 2013 #21
Why has Krugman, or any other good economist, you know, the ones who know what they are talking sabrina 1 May 2013 #48
Hey if they want to provide some input to the WH... hootinholler May 2013 #56
Damn you MannyGoldstein! Curses! Squinch May 2013 #6
That is just effin wrong. skydive forever May 2013 #17
Here's a good ProSense May 2013 #18
Hey look, another manufactured outrage widget hits the floor. JoePhilly May 2013 #20
I'd like to have a beer with you someday. MannyGoldstein May 2013 #22
Hold on. Why does he get a beer and not me? I thought we had something special. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #29
You get a stiff drink. MannyGoldstein May 2013 #32
You mean a second stiff drink. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #34
That's Manny's way of saying Jackpine Radical May 2013 #42
That sounds terrible. Stiff me for a drink. I usually hold out for two drinks. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #43
That's an ego post ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2013 #38
"it's been 14 hours since he's flung some poo, to the adoration of the fan club." Number23 May 2013 #78
LOL n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2013 #84
LOL SunSeeker May 2013 #44
You got me there! Demeter May 2013 #23
You really got me... I should have known better. abq e streeter May 2013 #25
ROFLMFAO MotherPetrie May 2013 #26
I am sorry Mother to inform you that you are limited to 6 letter acronyms. rhett o rick May 2013 #31
ROFLAO MotherPetrie May 2013 #49
Krugman was wearing his Grover Norquist mask. hay rick May 2013 #30
Ya got me. pnwmom May 2013 #33
YOU BASTARD! Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #35
It was plausible... immoderate May 2013 #36
Damnit Man! Beearewhyain May 2013 #39
I had an, "It's about goddamned time!" all ready to go. another_liberal May 2013 #40
You gave me hope for a moment there, Manny -- but I was almost gateley May 2013 #41
psst... don't look now but Obama just stole your shtick: ucrdem May 2013 #45
It's very good news that the top 1% have earned 5 trillion since this depression started MannyGoldstein May 2013 #47
You missed the most important statistic of them all: bvar22 May 2013 #73
Maybe Krugman bought a ticket for a White House tour. Fuddnik May 2013 #46
Aren't those closed due to austerity? MannyGoldstein May 2013 #51
Ya didn't punk me... I knew as soon as I saw your username Flying Squirrel May 2013 #53
Is Krugman shunned by Washington? Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #54
Yes. nm MannyGoldstein May 2013 #55
Remember when Krugman had dinner at the WH: ProSense May 2013 #59
4 years ago. MannyGoldstein May 2013 #60
Like I ProSense May 2013 #62
He's not saying that austerity is a *good* thing MannyGoldstein May 2013 #63
No, ProSense May 2013 #65
Good points. But we're still embracing austerity in a depression, MannyGoldstein May 2013 #81
Actually I think he advised Reagan Doctor_J May 2013 #75
Since there isn't any Fair Public-Funding Campaign Act Banning private scams yet... Amonester May 2013 #58
Zero interest?! theaocp May 2013 #64
And today the White House also hosted . . FairWinds May 2013 #66
Boy, did I ever get sucker-punked, but good? indepat May 2013 #68
LOL !!! - I Think I Love This Thread... WillyT May 2013 #69
I don't think Obama would even recognize him Doctor_J May 2013 #74
It must be nice to be such a superior being wryter2000 May 2013 #76
Out did yourself Manny, I salute you Autumn May 2013 #80
You scared me. woo me with science May 2013 #82
 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
24. The DOW has exactly nothing to do with the "real" economy anymore,
Tue May 21, 2013, 10:44 PM
May 2013

only with the banksters' / 1% economy.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
14. "I hate those guys" - Dean Wormer
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:54 PM
May 2013

Actually, fat, drunk and stupid hasn't been as catastrophic as you might think.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
37. You can become the Governor of New Jersey. Not exactly what one would call an honorable position,
Tue May 21, 2013, 11:21 PM
May 2013

but one could do worse.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
67. Pricked a nerve?
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:57 PM
May 2013

The source is one you should pay attention to if you care about reality and a liberal agenda.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
4. Well I'm very annoyed
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:37 PM
May 2013

Scanning today's news, there's no correlation between reality and reality. I'm a stickler for reality being real.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
9. LOL. You want reality to be real? Really? REALLY? Just stop fighting it and take a drink.
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:41 PM
May 2013

It's not so bad. I think it's cherry flavored.

Fascism is painless. It takes on many changes.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
11. Inserts easily. Well lubed.
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:43 PM
May 2013

Last edited Tue May 21, 2013, 11:58 PM - Edit history (1)

A colonic treat.

That explodes in a tangle of barbed wire once it reaches the desired depth.

Skittles

(153,147 posts)
13. WTF is wrong with people who don't know how to use IGNORE?
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:52 PM
May 2013

it's bad enough they don't live in the real world

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
5. I agree. That danged Manny. What are we going to do with him?
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:38 PM
May 2013

Dont ask me why I rec'd this thread.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
48. Why has Krugman, or any other good economist, you know, the ones who know what they are talking
Wed May 22, 2013, 01:03 AM
May 2013

about, Dean Baker eg, Stiglitz, Progressive, intelligent and RIGHT about the economy and how it affects real people, those kinds of economists, why have they NOT been invited to the WH while morons and criminals like Jamie Dimon et al appear to have an open invitation to this Democratic WH. Anyone know the answer to that question?

Another thought-provoking OP from Third Way Manny.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
56. Hey if they want to provide some input to the WH...
Wed May 22, 2013, 02:31 PM
May 2013

All they have to do is get hired by Goldman. Then the WH will be all ears.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
20. Hey look, another manufactured outrage widget hits the floor.
Tue May 21, 2013, 10:26 PM
May 2013

And it's not like the outrage can just make itself.

Hope you have enough for the next 1000+ days.

I'd hate to see the machine run out.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
22. I'd like to have a beer with you someday.
Tue May 21, 2013, 10:32 PM
May 2013

Or coffee. Or whatever.

As much as we disagree, I suspect that you're a good... er... Joe.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
38. That's an ego post ...
Tue May 21, 2013, 11:21 PM
May 2013

it's been 14 hours since he's flung some poo, to the adoration of the fan club.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
78. "it's been 14 hours since he's flung some poo, to the adoration of the fan club."
Wed May 22, 2013, 09:26 PM
May 2013

Can't have someone else getting any attention, now can we? Especially when there's all important recs to be counted.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
23. You got me there!
Tue May 21, 2013, 10:35 PM
May 2013

I thought maybe, just maybe, Reality had impinged upon the White House.

I guess I'm still believing in miracles.

abq e streeter

(7,658 posts)
25. You really got me... I should have known better.
Tue May 21, 2013, 10:46 PM
May 2013

Hey, those would make great song titles.
But you really did. And yes, I should have known better.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
31. I am sorry Mother to inform you that you are limited to 6 letter acronyms.
Tue May 21, 2013, 11:14 PM
May 2013

You are subject to a 5 min time-out.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
40. I had an, "It's about goddamned time!" all ready to go.
Tue May 21, 2013, 11:26 PM
May 2013

You should be ashamed for dangling that hope out to us. Do you really enjoy such sadistic cruelties?

gateley

(62,683 posts)
41. You gave me hope for a moment there, Manny -- but I was almost
Tue May 21, 2013, 11:34 PM
May 2013

immediately doubting even before I clicked on the thread.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
47. It's very good news that the top 1% have earned 5 trillion since this depression started
Wed May 22, 2013, 12:25 AM
May 2013

The bottom 99% lot a few hundred billion.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
46. Maybe Krugman bought a ticket for a White House tour.
Wed May 22, 2013, 12:20 AM
May 2013

It's the only way the neo-liberals will let him in there.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
59. Remember when Krugman had dinner at the WH:
Wed May 22, 2013, 03:15 PM
May 2013
Nothing to say

Andrew Leonard and Calculated Risk want to know why I didn’t blog about dinner at the White House. Um, because the conversation was off the record.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/05/nothing-to-say/

Why would anyone want Krugman to become a regular at the WH? So people can accuse him of being a WH shill?

It's far better that he remain independent.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
60. 4 years ago.
Wed May 22, 2013, 03:23 PM
May 2013

And the WH and (almost all of) Congress still show a total lack of interest in his advice, even though his predictions have been outstandingly correct.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
62. Like I
Wed May 22, 2013, 03:51 PM
May 2013

"4 years ago....And the WH and (almost all of) Congress still show a total lack of interest in his advice, even though his predictions have been outstandingly correct."

...asked: Why would anyone want Krugman to become a regular at the WH? So people can accuse him of being a WH shill?

Still, I cannot argue with this: "his predictions have been outstandingly correct."

<...>

What would real action on health look like? Well, it might include things like giving an independent commission the power to ensure that Medicare only pays for procedures with real medical value; rewarding health care providers for delivering quality care rather than simply paying a fixed sum for every procedure; limiting the tax deductibility of private insurance plans; and so on.

And what do these things have in common? They’re all in last year’s health reform bill.

That’s why I say that Mr. Obama gets too little credit. He has done more to rein in long-run deficits than any previous president. And if his opponents were serious about those deficits, they’d be backing his actions and calling for more; instead, they’ve been screaming about death panels.

Now, even if we manage to rein in health costs, we’ll still have a long-run deficit problem — a fundamental gap between the government’s spending and the amount it collects in taxes. So what should be done?

- more -

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/18/opinion/18krugman.html

He was right!

Krugman: Where Are The Deficit Celebrations?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022874877

He admits when the President Obama does something right and always points out the positive impacts of the President's policies.

Krugman: Not With A Bang But With A Whimper
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022215606

Krugman: Obama and Redistribution
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022224304

Krugman: Insurance and Freedom
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022636098

Yup, credit where credit is due. That why I say:

President Obama has done more to help the poor and middle class than any President since LBJ
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022660715







 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
63. He's not saying that austerity is a *good* thing
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:01 PM
May 2013

Just that Obama isn't getting enough credit for austerity.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
65. No,
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:04 PM
May 2013

"He's not saying that austerity is a *good* thing Just that Obama isn't getting enough credit for austerity."

...austerity is not " a *good* thing," but raising revenue and bringing down health care costs are:

And it’s not just recovering revenues: health costs, the biggest driver of long-run spending, have slowed dramatically.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022874877

Along with addressing inequality: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2886041

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
81. Good points. But we're still embracing austerity in a depression,
Wed May 22, 2013, 10:07 PM
May 2013

and our health care costs are still double that of everyone else's. We voted for *real* change. At best, that's not what we got.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
75. Actually I think he advised Reagan
Wed May 22, 2013, 07:40 PM
May 2013

which is probably why President "I Don't Recall" SPENT us out of a recession, while president "Let's cut SS benefits" lets it get worse.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
58. Since there isn't any Fair Public-Funding Campaign Act Banning private scams yet...
Wed May 22, 2013, 03:13 PM
May 2013

I guess it's just a fantasy.

theaocp

(4,236 posts)
64. Zero interest?!
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:03 PM
May 2013

The way I heard it, they get it about zero and then loan it back at 3-4%. That's HARDLY zero. It's more like printing money. Or just stealing it from us.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
74. I don't think Obama would even recognize him
Wed May 22, 2013, 07:37 PM
May 2013

Rahm would refer to him as a "fucking retarded liberal"

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