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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:20 PM May 2013

Atheist Arizona lawmaker quotes Carl Sagan for House opening prayer

By David Edwards
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:04 EDT

An atheist state lawmaker in Arizona invoked astronomer Carl Sagan on Tuesday when he was tasked with giving the opening prayer for the state House of Representatives.

Democratic state Representative Juan Mendez began by asking members not to bow their heads, explaining that he had a “secular humanist tradition,” according to an account published by the Phoenix NewTimes.

“Most prayers in this room begin with a request to bow your heads,” the lawmaker said. “I would like to ask that you not bow your heads. I would like to ask that you take a moment to look around the room at all of the men and women here, in this moment, sharing together this extraordinary experience of being alive and of dedicating ourselves to working toward improving the lives of the people in our state.”

“This is a room in which there are many challenging debates, many moments of tension, of ideological division, of frustration,” he continued. “But this is also a room where, as my secular humanist tradition stresses, by the very fact of being human, we have much more in common than we have differences. We share the same spectrum of potential for care, for compassion, for fear, for joy, for love.”

Mendez added a quote from Sagan’s book, Contact: “For small creatures such as we, the vastness is bearable only through love.”

At a press conference outside the Legislature, members of the Secular Coalition for Arizona said that it has been an honor to be present for what they believed was the first atheist invocation on the state House floor.

Mendez, who also spoke at the event, noted that one in five Americans and 1.3 million Arizonans chose not to affiliate with a religion.

“We are learning the importance of coming out and visibility and how important it is in this effort to get non-believers to feel welcomed and valued,” he explained. “We do ourselves a disservice if we exclude or ignore the concerns of so many people in Arizona. And I simply want to let others know that we have more in common than we have in differences.”

“And that the love of our humanity and the sense of caring for, nourishing and developing and enhancing what it is to be human can be practiced by everyone.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/22/atheist-arizona-lawmaker-quotes-carl-sagan-for-house-opening-prayer/

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Atheist Arizona lawmaker quotes Carl Sagan for House opening prayer (Original Post) DonViejo May 2013 OP
And then Steve Smith had to open his big fat mouth... derby378 May 2013 #1
Refreshing BeyondGeography May 2013 #2
K&R idwiyo May 2013 #3
He forgot, "In Sagan's name, we pray." longship May 2013 #4
I like that, and I like the OP. "Refreshing," as another here noted. (nt) DirkGently May 2013 #5
Good for Mendez! The world needs to know/see/hear some very fine, honest, compassionate. Auntie Bush May 2013 #6
He sounds . . . Richard D May 2013 #7
Love it! nt valerief May 2013 #8
as frustrating as politics in this state are Kali May 2013 #9
After Mendez spoke ... IggleDoer May 2013 #10
And what Mendez said was a better prayer than most. WHEN CRABS ROAR May 2013 #11
I guess their god defacto7 May 2013 #13
If that is the case LostOne4Ever May 2013 #32
He's got too much class to do that. IggleDoer May 2013 #33
I thought being a secular humanist was illegal in Arizona? DeadLetterOffice May 2013 #12
ha, ha... starzdust22 May 2013 #18
No, but seven states ban atheists from holding public office pokerfan May 2013 #19
MD and Pennsylvania?! DireStrike May 2013 #23
Yeah, technically per their state constitution pokerfan May 2013 #26
This is the best thing I have heard in a long time! defacto7 May 2013 #14
Good for Rep. Mendez and shame on Rep. Smith. liberal_at_heart May 2013 #15
This made me giddy amuse bouche May 2013 #16
Well, he's not going to be asked to do that again... Moonwalk May 2013 #17
i bet it's non-optional. if he can stay in office.. Phillip McCleod May 2013 #20
Good for him!!!! gopiscrap May 2013 #21
I am a follower of Carl Sagan mick063 May 2013 #22
... as long as you don't try to name a computer program after him ... Myrina May 2013 #24
They should also be RoccoR5955 May 2013 #31
Why not ditch the whole prayer, forward, commencement thing? Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #25
That's what I'm wondering too. TheManInTheMac May 2013 #27
LOL - he quoted science fiction! bananas May 2013 #28
This is wonderful. It nearly brings tears to my eyes. Chemisse May 2013 #29
Juan! Much love coming your way from here bud. Mucho gracias. toby jo May 2013 #30

derby378

(30,252 posts)
1. And then Steve Smith had to open his big fat mouth...
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:27 PM
May 2013

Geez. It was a nice sentiment from Mendez, too.

longship

(40,416 posts)
4. He forgot, "In Sagan's name, we pray."
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:39 PM
May 2013


This type of gesture is the kind of thing which needs to happen more often.

When I was very active in Democratic Party politics in Wichita, KS, at the same time Republican Party functions were begun with a Christian prayer, our meetings began with "The Word". One of the board members or committee persons would volunteer to provide a brief quotation for each meeting which would be presented right after the call to order.

We heard a lot of Jefferson and Paine but often people would stray into some fairly obscure texts for their turn. It was really nice and helped us focus our efforts because there would inevitably be a short discussion following the "word" before the chair would call an end to it and move us onto the agenda. I notice that the chair would always let things go for five or ten minutes before he or she moved on.

It was a very nice way to start things off. Of course, the quotation usually had some resonance to current political affairs, which was its intent.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
6. Good for Mendez! The world needs to know/see/hear some very fine, honest, compassionate.
Wed May 22, 2013, 07:17 PM
May 2013

intelligent people are Atheist. Too many people think Atheists are dark, bad, evil people.

LostOne4Ever

(9,286 posts)
32. If that is the case
Thu May 23, 2013, 05:17 PM
May 2013

Then Mendez should ask and get to say a "real" prayer for atheists every single time a christian prayer is said.

 

starzdust22

(11 posts)
18. ha, ha...
Wed May 22, 2013, 09:34 PM
May 2013

No. I'm one of those "scientifically thinking" atheist in AZ. Been one since birth. You gotta remember that there are pockets of scientist here, I'm also an astronomer and educator (retired).

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
26. Yeah, technically per their state constitution
Thu May 23, 2013, 10:45 AM
May 2013
Article 37: That no religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification for any office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration of belief in the existence of God; nor shall the Legislature prescribe any other oath of office than the oath prescribed by this Constitution.
http://www.americanhumanist.org/HNN/details/2012-05-unelectable-atheists-us-states-that-prohibit-godless


And it's been successfully challenged:
In 1961, the United States Supreme Court explicitly overturned the Maryland provision in the Torcaso v. Watkins decision, holding that laws requiring "a belief in the existence of God" in order to hold public office violated freedom of religion provided for by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_atheists#United_States

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
17. Well, he's not going to be asked to do that again...
Wed May 22, 2013, 09:21 PM
May 2013
Seriously and sadly--though I'm glad he got this one moment to point out that the "opening words" of such sessions need not imply that faith in a divinity is required for these representatives to do their job--and I appreciate even more that he defined that job as "improving the lives of the people in our state."

I wonder how many of them really and truly define their job as doing that...
 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
22. I am a follower of Carl Sagan
Wed May 22, 2013, 11:58 PM
May 2013

Perhaps he will gain a lofty status in the future. Perhaps we should quote his verses and hold him up as not a deity, but simply a very wise man. Perhaps we should spread his word and find followers from those that might listen.

His writings speak of peace, compassion, and common sense. He opposed murder, corruption, and thievery. He was the opposite of evil.

I do not hold him up as a God. I do believe he is a man to emulate.

Instead of asking "What would a Christian do?", I shall ask "What would Carl Sagan do?". Carl Sagan would not crusade. He would not begin an inquisition. He would not close his mind to objective argument. He would not place value on superstition or myth, yet would not persecute those that do.

I don't believe it would lead to a "sinful" path. I do believe the world would be a better place.

I applaud the state representative from Arizona.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
31. They should also be
Thu May 23, 2013, 05:09 PM
May 2013

smoking a joint in his honor. He was a weed head, all along.
I am sure it would make their heads roll.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
25. Why not ditch the whole prayer, forward, commencement thing?
Thu May 23, 2013, 10:32 AM
May 2013

When I get to work, I just sit down at my desk and start working, when I have team meetings we just sit down and get started.

Chemisse

(30,803 posts)
29. This is wonderful. It nearly brings tears to my eyes.
Thu May 23, 2013, 12:41 PM
May 2013

It's not easy being an atheist in this country. It just got a little easier.

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