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By David Edwards
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:04 EDT
An atheist state lawmaker in Arizona invoked astronomer Carl Sagan on Tuesday when he was tasked with giving the opening prayer for the state House of Representatives.
Democratic state Representative Juan Mendez began by asking members not to bow their heads, explaining that he had a secular humanist tradition, according to an account published by the Phoenix NewTimes.
Most prayers in this room begin with a request to bow your heads, the lawmaker said. I would like to ask that you not bow your heads. I would like to ask that you take a moment to look around the room at all of the men and women here, in this moment, sharing together this extraordinary experience of being alive and of dedicating ourselves to working toward improving the lives of the people in our state.
This is a room in which there are many challenging debates, many moments of tension, of ideological division, of frustration, he continued. But this is also a room where, as my secular humanist tradition stresses, by the very fact of being human, we have much more in common than we have differences. We share the same spectrum of potential for care, for compassion, for fear, for joy, for love.
Mendez added a quote from Sagans book, Contact: For small creatures such as we, the vastness is bearable only through love.
At a press conference outside the Legislature, members of the Secular Coalition for Arizona said that it has been an honor to be present for what they believed was the first atheist invocation on the state House floor.
Mendez, who also spoke at the event, noted that one in five Americans and 1.3 million Arizonans chose not to affiliate with a religion.
We are learning the importance of coming out and visibility and how important it is in this effort to get non-believers to feel welcomed and valued, he explained. We do ourselves a disservice if we exclude or ignore the concerns of so many people in Arizona. And I simply want to let others know that we have more in common than we have in differences.
And that the love of our humanity and the sense of caring for, nourishing and developing and enhancing what it is to be human can be practiced by everyone.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/22/atheist-arizona-lawmaker-quotes-carl-sagan-for-house-opening-prayer/
Full article posted with permission
derby378
(30,252 posts)Geez. It was a nice sentiment from Mendez, too.
BeyondGeography
(39,347 posts)Still early in the century. This could catch on.
longship
(40,416 posts)This type of gesture is the kind of thing which needs to happen more often.
When I was very active in Democratic Party politics in Wichita, KS, at the same time Republican Party functions were begun with a Christian prayer, our meetings began with "The Word". One of the board members or committee persons would volunteer to provide a brief quotation for each meeting which would be presented right after the call to order.
We heard a lot of Jefferson and Paine but often people would stray into some fairly obscure texts for their turn. It was really nice and helped us focus our efforts because there would inevitably be a short discussion following the "word" before the chair would call an end to it and move us onto the agenda. I notice that the chair would always let things go for five or ten minutes before he or she moved on.
It was a very nice way to start things off. Of course, the quotation usually had some resonance to current political affairs, which was its intent.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)intelligent people are Atheist. Too many people think Atheists are dark, bad, evil people.
Richard D
(8,741 posts). . . closer to being a Christian than almost any Christian politician I have heard.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Kali
(55,003 posts)sometimes something really cool happens
IggleDoer
(1,186 posts)... another legislator demanded (and got) the right to say a "real" prayer.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)can't stand being upstaged. So the believer makes a fool of the deity.
LostOne4Ever
(9,286 posts)Then Mendez should ask and get to say a "real" prayer for atheists every single time a christian prayer is said.
IggleDoer
(1,186 posts)n/t
DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)starzdust22
(11 posts)No. I'm one of those "scientifically thinking" atheist in AZ. Been one since birth. You gotta remember that there are pockets of scientist here, I'm also an astronomer and educator (retired).
pokerfan
(27,677 posts)Arizona is not one of them.
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/959292/7_states_that_ban_atheists_from_holding_public_office/
DireStrike
(6,452 posts)Penn I'm not entirely surprised about, just a bit. But Maryland?!
pokerfan
(27,677 posts)http://www.americanhumanist.org/HNN/details/2012-05-unelectable-atheists-us-states-that-prohibit-godless
And it's been successfully challenged:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_atheists#United_States
defacto7
(13,485 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)I wish it would spread like wildfire across the country
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)I wonder how many of them really and truly define their job as doing that...
Phillip McCleod
(1,837 posts)..they can hardly deny him another turn.
gopiscrap
(23,726 posts)mick063
(2,424 posts)Perhaps he will gain a lofty status in the future. Perhaps we should quote his verses and hold him up as not a deity, but simply a very wise man. Perhaps we should spread his word and find followers from those that might listen.
His writings speak of peace, compassion, and common sense. He opposed murder, corruption, and thievery. He was the opposite of evil.
I do not hold him up as a God. I do believe he is a man to emulate.
Instead of asking "What would a Christian do?", I shall ask "What would Carl Sagan do?". Carl Sagan would not crusade. He would not begin an inquisition. He would not close his mind to objective argument. He would not place value on superstition or myth, yet would not persecute those that do.
I don't believe it would lead to a "sinful" path. I do believe the world would be a better place.
I applaud the state representative from Arizona.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)smoking a joint in his honor. He was a weed head, all along.
I am sure it would make their heads roll.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)When I get to work, I just sit down at my desk and start working, when I have team meetings we just sit down and get started.
TheManInTheMac
(985 posts)bananas
(27,509 posts)The irony!
Chemisse
(30,803 posts)It's not easy being an atheist in this country. It just got a little easier.