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elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
Sat May 25, 2013, 11:40 AM May 2013

OHGODNO. A Reep relative's post about "The Great Gatsby"



"The Great Gatsby is the one movie that I will see where I actually read the book before seeing the movie. That's only because of high school though. I wonder if they will get rid of that book since they have a movie out on now?"
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OHGODNO. A Reep relative's post about "The Great Gatsby" (Original Post) elehhhhna May 2013 OP
Oy cyberswede May 2013 #1
Ow ow ow ow ow Tien1985 May 2013 #2
What the hell? HappyMe May 2013 #3
That's not a trend. That's just an idiot. nolabear May 2013 #4
You know... ElboRuum May 2013 #8
Well put jberryhill May 2013 #11
I think you're right but there's more. nolabear May 2013 #12
I agree, in part. ElboRuum May 2013 #13
*facepalm* sakabatou May 2013 #5
that's my species!! stuntcat May 2013 #6
LOL!! sibelian May 2013 #10
run with it! stuntcat May 2013 #14
show this to your idiot relative niyad May 2013 #7
1949 Bluenorthwest May 2013 #15
I'm sure he thinks "The Great Gatsby" is a salute to free market capitalism n/t DefenseLawyer May 2013 #9

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
4. That's not a trend. That's just an idiot.
Sat May 25, 2013, 11:51 AM
May 2013

Sure, some people don't read. But quite a few do, and the trend isn't going down a whole lot imo. Only a certain segment of the population has ever read. for them, watching a movie is a step up, though they may never have a clue what the original written word was like.

Remember, Reading is FUNdamental!

ElboRuum

(4,717 posts)
8. You know...
Sat May 25, 2013, 01:01 PM
May 2013

...when I was a kid, I used to read anything I could get my hands on. Somewhere along the line, I lost the interest in reading works of fiction. By the time I graduated high school, outside of science fiction, I couldn't be bothered to read anything, and especially the "classics". At the time, I didn't care how that happened, nor was I particularly aware that it had.

Since then, I've tried to pinpoint why I, and for that matter, so many others, might have lost interest in it. To deny that we aren't a nation of avid readers would be silly, and I believe that is a relatively recent change.

English instruction, at least when I was going through school, was exclusively what we often call "classic" literature. Shakespeare, Melville, Twain, Crane, Salinger, etc. While this is often regarded as the "best of the best" and as such, and the logic to teach these over "lesser" work would be obvious to any English instructor, we must address the singular flaw in this reasoning. The classics are old, done in old style, and address topics and events which no modern person is even remotely familiar. They say their stories are timeless, but are they really? Can a person in their teens in the modern age really relate to something like Othello? Are we confronted daily with life on the Ole Miss that Twain wrote about? Can they relate to the opulence and social climbing machinations of Gatsby's '20's? Why do you think that a person who thought Apocalypse Now was a great movie would see Heart of Darkness as a plodding chore, considering that the former was inspired by the latter? Topicality, relevance, and modern storytelling style. If you aren't willing to accept the idea that most of these writers are three or four generations out of date at least, can you expect a modern teen to see its timelessness without having to fight through the dusty, historical impediments that make up its plot, setting, and style?

Probably not. In fact, there is so little that most teens find personally relevant in these novels that it is remarkable they manage to read each to its completion, as a matter of their coursework.

Now, coursework is an operative word here. During the course of my modern English instruction, book reports were a fact of life. In fact, I can remember only a few scant weeks between grade 6 and grade 12 where I was not reading a book for the purpose of presenting a paper which essentially amounted to proof that I'd read and understood it. Most of these were the classics, and lacking relevance, I found myself lacking interest. I can't count how many of them had I waited until the night before the paper was due to shove my way through the book, then hastily slapped together a synopsis and whatever else the assignment called for and got at least a B+ on it.

So eventually, I started to associate reading with stodginess and boredom, because the classics had been associated not with "literature worth reading" but with "literature worth anything from the standpoint of an English/Literature curriculum". And going fast was the reading for pleasure aspect. I began to associate picking up a book with somehow being required to contribute to academic work on the matter.

In many ways, people do not think reading is FUNdamental. By the time you get through 12 years of school and then maybe 4 or more years of college, one thing becomes obvious: reading is WORKdamental.

People don't read, not because they're ignorant, but because their experience with their literature education takes the joy out of it. And given that, is it any wonder we lack writing that compares with the classics today?

Yes, a side effect of this is that the message is sent to aspiring writers that they'll never be able to be as profound as classic writers. We put these works on such a pedestal that us mere mortals could never hope to compete. Maybe it would be better to serve up some of this "lesser" work. Maybe an aspiring writer would be encouraged by the fact that they think they could do better than what they just read? Maybe part of the issue is that English instruction sees the past as the fertile ground that somehow managed to spawn all of this great writing, and that somehow, this example will serve to inspire. The trouble is, I would wager no one ever shoved Shakespeare in front of Twain's face and said, "here, this is the mark. If you aren't going to be at least this good, don't even bother."

English/lit curricula would do well to re-evaluate classic literature and acknowledge that to encourage people to read, you actually have to choose things that ARE relevant and enjoyable to the people you're trying to encourage. Trust me, if they develop the love of reading they should if you are successful, they'll FIND the classics on their own. And moreover, they'll interpret them and gauge them on their own merits, rather than being furnished with decades of academic nattering about their meaning, purpose, and relevance to guide their appreciation of it.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
11. Well put
Sat May 25, 2013, 01:30 PM
May 2013

I learned that "books on the approved list" were negotiable. I could usually go to the teacher and say "Is it okay if I read a book by Vonnegut and do a report on that," and the usual response was "if its okay with your parents."

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
12. I think you're right but there's more.
Sat May 25, 2013, 02:07 PM
May 2013

Adolescents and young adults are appropriately narcissistic and struggling for independence so if they don't directly relate to a written work they blow it off. Frame of reference is evwrything. And teachers are generally awful at using that to point out the ubiquitous nature of stories even when the language is obscure, and to help them connect with more modern depictions. Add to that the fact that young people now have experienced things at a younger age but don't absorb things in an adult manner any better and you have a lot of work to do to connect the dots for them.

Most kids don't want read Madame Bovary but most can connect to a borderline self destructive girl who tries to social climb and destroys everything. Most will have to be guided through Romeo and Juliet but the discussion on DU re the family prosecuting the 18 year old for sex with their young daughter shows the hazards of being helpless and incapable of seeing another way. Oliver Twist essentially joined a gang because his family and the system failed him.

So yes your points are valid but I think forgetting history, including the taste and feel and patterns of thought of past times shown in its writing would be an unnecessary and tragic loss.

ElboRuum

(4,717 posts)
13. I agree, in part.
Sat May 25, 2013, 05:54 PM
May 2013

As I said, if you teach a teen to love reading, they will FIND Madame Bovary and Romeo and Juliet on their own, but later, when they are of adult mind and more eclectic taste. Why we shove this down their gullets at such an early age when they clearly relate to other themes or more modern storytelling is boggling to me. Why not take some due diligence and find literature which explores these themes in a manner more consistent with their live environment? Like I stated, I didn't need much prodding to like reading initially, but the education I received beat that joy out of me by forcing me into reading the "classics" and to prove I understood their nuances and meanings from a literary professors deconstructionist standpoint, not as one who enjoys literature. Tearing apart literature to mine for the gold of wisdom may be perfect fodder for a college paper, but the presumption there is that the person already reads, and wants to take the next step in understanding by participating in the literary deconstruction process.

stuntcat

(12,022 posts)
14. run with it!
Sat May 25, 2013, 07:18 PM
May 2013


It always reminds me of a part in Harold and Maude, when Maude says "Well, they're my species!"
Except I never mean it the sweet way she did lol

niyad

(113,274 posts)
7. show this to your idiot relative
Sat May 25, 2013, 12:29 PM
May 2013

. . . .
The Great Gatsby has resulted in a number film adaptations:

The Great Gatsby, in 1926, by Herbert Brenon – a silent movie of a stage adaptation, starring Warner Baxter, Lois Wilson, and William Powell. It is a famous example of a lost film. Reviews suggest that it may have been the most faithful adaptation of the novel, but a trailer of the film at National Archives is all that is known to exist.[56]
The Great Gatsby, in 1949, by Elliott Nugent – Starring Alan Ladd, Betty Field, and Shelley Winters; for copyright reasons, this film is not readily available.[56]
The Great Gatsby, in 1974, by Jack Clayton – the most famous screen version, starring Sam Waterston as narrator Nick Carraway, with Mia Farrow as Daisy Buchanan and Robert Redford as Gatsby, with a script by Francis Ford Coppola.[56]
The Great Gatsby, in 2000, by Robert Markowitz – a made-for-TV movie starring Toby Stephens, Paul Rudd, and Mira Sorvino.
G, in 2002, by Christopher Scott Cherot – a loose Hip-hop adaptation set in The Hamptons.
The Great Gatsby, in 2013, by Baz Luhrmann – Starring Leonardo DiCaprio, Carey Mulligan, Tobey Maguire, Amitabh Bachhan. This adaptation of the novel was released on May 10, 2013.
. . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Gatsby
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