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Mayor Rahm Emanuels plan has sparked fierce protests, with thousands of protesters hitting the streets last weekend to oppose the school closures arguing that they would put children at risk by having to travel further to overcrowded schools.
But while the city insists it must close these schools to close budget gaps, it has just announced that it will be dedicated as much as $100 million in public funds for the construction of a new basketball arena at DePaul University which is about a third of the cost of the project. http://thecontributor.com/chicago%E2%80%99s-choice-closing-50-schools-spending-100-million-basketball-arena-0
Can you spell "morally bankrupt"?
Apophis
(1,407 posts)Morally bankrupt indeed.
Chisox08
(1,898 posts)Wrigley Field renovations, but the city is broke.
aggiesal
(8,910 posts)Wrigley field is suppose to be completely paid for by the owners.
Except maybe some infrastructure improvements around the ballpark.
[Font color=BLUE]Mayor Rahm Emanuel hailed what the two sides called a "framework" agreement in a joint statement issued Sunday night, noting that it includes no taxpayer funding.[/font]
How was New Comiskey Park (or US Cellular) built? PUBLIC MONEY from the state.
Chisox08
(1,898 posts)nor where they cutting public services.
aggiesal
(8,910 posts)fund stadiums, as long as the public not going broke, not closing schools
or cutting public services.
But there's a problem when you're privately funding an upgrade on an
existing ballpark, while the public is going broke, closing schools and
cutting public services.
Am I reading this correct?
Chisox08
(1,898 posts)When they say there isn't tax payer money involved tax payer money will be involved. Once it goes over budget do to unforeseen circumstances tax payer money will be used to make the difference. This is a classic Chicago trick, my Alderman is asking the same questions that I am.
aggiesal
(8,910 posts)But right now, no public money is scheduled to be used.
When that happens, let me know, because I usually don't follow
City of Chicago finances.
I moved away in 1980.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)is well underway then the owners find a reason to blame cost overruns on the city and the city has to pay. Owners have better lawyers than cities and usually the city politicians are in the pocket of the owners anywayz.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)The new baseball stadium was negotiated and the owners assured the public there would be no cost overruns like always and if there were the owners would pay. Sound too good to be true? When push came to shove, the owners blamed the city for cost overruns and went to court. I never heard how it turned out but what I wouldnt trust a sports team owner.
aggiesal
(8,910 posts)I have no problem with the public floating bonds to pay for these projects.
It's like taking out a mortgage.
In this case the owner of the SPORTS TEAM has to pay off the bonds.
So basically, the public becomes the bank, while the sports team now
has a mortgage.
The public makes money off the teams.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)rurallib
(62,406 posts)which would make this even more egregious in my view.
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)aggiesal
(8,910 posts)datasuspect
(26,591 posts)I call him the mid level manager of Chicago, because he sure as fuck ain't no goddamn boss like either daley was, and he isn't fit to wipe the dog shit from harold washington's boots.
Terra Alta
(5,158 posts)A basketball arena is more important than educating our future. Nice. Fuck you, Rahm.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)They elected this shitheel...
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msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Pier.
Yes, DePaul will play basketball there. But 18 home games is nothing compared to the other bookings. Wrigley didn't get funded because the city would not have been able to use the field for anything else, but this is multi-use:
Yes, DePaul will play there, but there will be a lot more events there, Reilly said. There will be 18 basketball games, but therell be 75 or 100 other kinds of events that will occur.
Emanuel said he was willing to commit public funding for a stadium for DePaul and other entertainment venues at McCormick Place and Navy Pier, even though he wasnt willing to do the same to renovate Wrigley Field, because the arena at McCormick Place would be a public facility with other uses.
Medium-sized and small conventions will now become an opportunity and a market we never participated in, he said. We will have concerts, which we did not have before, and entertainment for the big shows that never could do that before.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/05/16/depaul-arena-part-of-larger-plan-to-revamp-mccormick-place-navy-pier/
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)all fine, well, and good, but are you suggesting that the Chicago mayor has the power to allocate funds from MPEA to CPS? How?
mopinko
(70,071 posts)funded mostly by taxes on hotel rooms and restaurant meals.
it cannot be spent on schools. period.
good luck talking sense to the rahm haters.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)declining enrollment.
mopinko
(70,071 posts)some of these school "neighborhoods" are acres of rubble. the kids are already gone. that is the point.
but arguing here about anything rahm has no point.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)He will make millions on charter schools. But that's ok with the conservatives that value wealth over education.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)a link? There is no excuses for abandoning schools and education for profit making. Those who love Rahm hate education and worship greed. The conservatives among us love Rahm.
mopinko
(70,071 posts)we have something called mc-pier, it is funded with a special tax on restaurants and hotels in the downtown area. it's called economic development.
how bout you show me a link to how anyone is making money off the school closings. they aren't.
and i don't love rahm. but he is doing what he was elected to do- specifically, we all got sick of daley hiding under his desk when tough decisions came around.
surprisingly, the job requires you to walk and chew gum and the same time, and surprisingly, he can.
i don't love him. but most grownups who are here, and see what he is doing and trying to do, respect him.
as a major dem official, it is a shame that he is treated the way he is here, but more a shame that people far from the situation bash long time members on the ground.
respect. goes a long way in solving problems.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Who paid for his election? I see lots of for profit charter schools in Chicago's future.
Are you claiming that no general fund money is financing the stadium improvements?
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Or understand fuck-all about the structure of this arrangement.
The usual fanatics.
mopinko
(70,071 posts)can you hear them howl if they were taxed explicitly for one thing, but the money was spent on something else?
yeah, you gotta be here. if you never drove through the south side of chicago, you have no idea what an urban wasteland can be like. there are more broken bottles than kids in most of these neighborhoods where schools are closing.
not sure what part of- there are hardly any kids here, so we are closing this school- is so damn hard to understand.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)devastating to the people. Otoh, those people elected him for some reason, hopefully by now they have learned a lesson as he destroyes the public schools, privatizes them, which is his job after all and which those who voted for him should have expected.
Rahm is no Dem. He is a Third Way privatizer and it this kind of puppet politician that is destroying our party.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Stop equivocating. This is not a 'down in the weeds' issue it's a matter of ethics and corruption.
Of privateers vs the people.
Of corporations vs children.
Of right vs wrong.
mopinko
(70,071 posts)we have clear lines of taxing and funding for a good many things just so such slight of hand is avoided. if you have a link showing cps funds have been diverted to other purposes, we can have this discussion.
otherwise you are just dissing my city, and blowing smoke.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)I have heard that all my adult life and it is always lies. Our state instituted a lottery on the promise that the funds would 100% go to education. That lasted a year or two. Now it goes into the general fund.
IMO Rahm is a bought and paid for corporatist.
mopinko
(70,071 posts)hotel and restaurant owners voluntarily tax themselves to fund tourist attractions and trade show infrastructure here. it has pumped a few billion into the economy, and is the basis of thousands of good, union jobs. that is where this money is coming from.
conventions and tourism are huge business here. these investments have paid off.
the schools are not funded out of the general revenue. they are a separate line item on the property tax bill. the remainder comes from the state.
if you want to fault someone for the state of chicago school, try the past 4 republican governors. the state violates their mandate to fund every year by failing to provide "the majority" of funding for the common schools.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)But dont blame it on previous administrations. I hope you will be tickled to death with the charter schools in your future. Do you know who sponsors Rahm?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Profits for the 1% is more important than education for the masses. Rahm is a Democrat in name only.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Seems Rahm's hands are tied. He has to yield to his wealthy backers. Charter schools will make him wealthy.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)gets transferred. Rahm can't do it by fiat, can he?
This money has been proposed as a solution. Explain how the solution works.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)terrible problem." It's funny how politicians run on how they are going to fix things, then when elected, spend most of their time explaining how utterly helpless they are.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)money should...and more importanly...can be allocated to the schools?
Tell us how this solution works.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Explain how he is helping the 99%. Maybe you support charter schools.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Rather than ranting about Rahm, why not tell us how he could easily remedy this. There must be specific steps, yes?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)You rationalize that he is helpless with no responsibility. Do you support charter schools?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)It's pretty apparent you have no idea what MEAP funds are and have no idea how they could be reallocated.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)You are making sound like his hands are tied. I dont believe he is as helpless as you portray. I believe he is influenced by those that donated to his election.
Since you wont answer, I assume you support the idea of charter schools. I dont. I support public education.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)money is accessed, then you don't look very serious in your advocacy.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)mopinko
(70,071 posts)the fund was set up to take voluntary tax money and allocate it toward the tourism and conference industry. it works pretty well. it is a huge part of our economy, and helped see us through the recession.
you seem to be calling for the entire city to grind to a halt, and devote all resources to keep open schools with almost no children in them. you are not making ANY sense.
this is a big city with a lot of moving parts. we need all of them, and we don't go scavenging through working parts to fix broken parts. we try to fix the broken parts with as little collateral damage as possible.
tearing down a source of jobs and economic development is not how we fix broken institutions in blown up neighborhoods.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the local businesses? Sounds too good to be true.
mopinko
(70,071 posts)everybody got their own bucket. some from the general revenue, some from special taxes. prevents both the right hearted moves like you suggest, and the black hearted moves that tend to be a little more common here in reality.
http://www.mpea.com
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Is it there somewhere? I find it very hard to believe that they dont get public money.
mopinko
(70,071 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)for building any sort of theater, arena, or other event space. Most hate to be down even a day, I can not think of any that got funded for 93 bookings a freaking year. This fact makes the rhetoric about Wrigley not being multi purpose sort of odd because baseball plays about 81 home games a year and draws way more people at each event, people who spend way more on food and concessions than do those attending a concert or a convention.
The funding might not be able to go to schools, but it sure looks to me like this is being done to benefit the school playing ball there. They will be the dominate users, about 20% will be them if they book 75 other dates. It's theirs. Their choice of dates will dominate, if a game is on a date, they can not book that date no matter how high dollar the draw.
I don't know about the surrounding politics, but a facility projected to be mostly empty and primarily used by a single fortunate party is hard to understand and indicates that there is some agenda going on.
If they can't use the money for schools, that still does not mean it should be used for this. Mostly empty, primarily used by one party. If I lived there, I'd want that explained.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)mopinko
(70,071 posts)that money was voluntarily taxed by an industry that expects it to be used for that industry. and that would bring the mother of all law suits if it wasnt.
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Initech
(100,060 posts)kysrsoze
(6,019 posts)Everyone's gotta lighten up. I mean, what are the odds anyone associated with the closing schools, teacher, parent or child, will be a major campaign donor for Rahmie? It's private schools for the little Emanuels!
Taverner
(55,476 posts)School Teacher
(71 posts)Yes fans, keep filling those stadiums to feed the rich owners and corps. One evening I was driving by the soccer stadium here in Portland and saw thousands lined up to get into the game, people flowing out of trains and cars to attend. I thought, if only we could get that kind of a crowd at an anti war demonstration! Stop feeding the sports beast, America. And start feeding and educating our children! We have 44% of Oregon kids living in food insecurity! People can't afford it but they keep attending.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)The Chicago School closings are part and parcel of a strategy for remaking the American metropolis as a center for spatial and economic transformations which will further cement economic inequality. One key component of this strategy is demographic inversion- moving the poor out of the center city into the periphery, where they will no longer be able to physically or politically threaten the global elites who will be working and playing in the redeveloped Center. This process is already well under way in cities like New York, Chicago, Washington and Milwaukee- with the result being that more poor people now live in suburbs than in cities- but for poor people who remain in cities, the elite's preferred strategy is intrusive, "stop and frisk" policing and the transformation of public schools into sites of draconian discipline where compliance and obedience are the preferred behaviors, strategies taken to the highest point of perfection by some of the nation's most celebrated charter schools.
Where do school closings fit in this elaborate strategy to scatter and neutralize the poor? Public schools in poor neighborhoods, even those whose test scores mark them as "failing," are important centers of community life, places where different generations of people interact and mark their connection to historical space. They contain memories of families raised, community arts forms celebrated, sports victories won, powerful friendships forged. If you ignore those experiences and reduce the school to its failures, you erase a communities history and make that community easier to divide and disperse.
Underlying School Closings is a world view which marks off residents of poor communities, not just the schools in them as failures, people who have to be dispersed, incarcerated, disciplined and divided for the Global Metropolis to prosper. It reveals the profound moral bankruptcy and cynicism pervading neo-liberal economic policies, whether they have a Democratic or Republican facade.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/mark-naison/erasing-history-in-chicago-and-other-places/10151363569306503?notif_t=note_tag
TheUnspeakable
(1,005 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)grilled onions
(1,957 posts)There was a time when kids lived in the very neighborhood where the schools were. I walked two blocks to my grade school. Parents knew that until the kids reached almost high school level the kids learned where they lived. The only exception was the Catholic kids seemed to always have schools out of the neighborhood. Many years later they started closing down schools, busing kids in circles that even a good GPS would have no idea how to navigate. Little kids have to get on buses in the wee hours and some times fall asleep and are found hours later still napping on a bus.
Neighborhoods are being fractured. Parents can't always allow their kids to "new" friends they met in their "new" school because they don't know the parents yet, the streets may be zoned for more then one gangs turf. Schools may be far away from home so how many are willing to allow their kids after school activities if a bus or a car is required. The kids--it should be about the kids. The crooks they come up with this shell game often game from private schools in safe neighborhoods. They have no idea(or worse could care less) that many families will experience hardships trying to once again normalize their children's school,school activities and for the parents to meld with other parents in yet another district.
Meanwhile let's play ball! What could be more important than siphoning money from bricks and mortar the pour it into a new stadium that will make the top honchos look better! No doubt they can't wait to the ribbon cutting ceremony right now and getting their posh box seast for the first game!
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)mopinko
(70,071 posts)creative financing and tiff funds helped to reuse quite a few old downtown buildings to create a downtown campus with a dozen or so colleges. this would be more of the same leveraged investment.
this is a big, complicated city. this kind of simple strawman like this is a useless.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Unlike most of the shouters here, I walked the line with the CTU and my daughter, who goes to CPS, during the strike.
Plenty to criticize in Rahm's education policy - which is neoliberal and incredibly destructive, but this deal isn't related in the least bit, except for ignorant fanatics. Most of the people here don't know shit about the (Daley) plan to revitalize parts of the Loop through a focus on higher ed. They don't know anything about DePaul, Roosevelt, Columbia College, Robert Morris, any of it. Hell, most of these people don't even know what "the Loop" is. They're mad at Rahm. He called them stupid or something, so they're mad. They know they're supposed to be mad, and blah blah, the usual stupidity.
Plenty to be angry about in the school closings. Rahm is wrong about that, 100%. Or 95%. Some of those schools have no enrollments. You know what Daley said five years ago, everybody: "The day we decide school policy based on gang territory is the day we've given up the city." People cheered that. And he's goddamn right about it.
But most of you wouldn't know, since you don't know fuck all about the city of Chicago, supposing you've ever even stepped foot into it.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)building, and use of tif funds for the 1%.
one doesn't have to be a native to see the problem, and being a native doesn't mean you get it either.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Penny Pritzker!!!!!
1%!!!!!!
Feel free to pretend you know ANYTHING about this subject anytime soon.
Or, feel free to yell "Bul" and "Penny Pritzker" and other know-nothing nonsenses for as long as your heart desires.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)education in chicago, etc.
it's like saying only americans know anything about america.
and the politics of chicago are not specific to chicago; they're the politics of the US.
penny pritzker is part of a much smaller group than the 1%ers, but she's also part of the 1%. and she lurrrrveees rahm's policies, because they're her & her family's policies, bought and paid for
there are plenty of chicagoans saying the exact same things as the OP. Here's one of them:
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/5/28/chicago_to_shutter_50_public_schools
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Last edited Thu May 30, 2013, 02:47 AM - Edit history (1)
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/626445/cps-school-closings.txtsome more chicagoans who hate the depaul plan:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022920610
mopinko
(70,071 posts)i don't have the emotional energy to slog through all the hate, tho.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)also written by a chicagoan; the stadium plan is even worse than i imagined
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)mopinko
(70,071 posts)has a school bureaucracy that is a hindrance to education, and a honey pot for the well connected.
there always have been schools outside that structure, catholic schools and others. they served to buoy up some of the very schools that are being closed today. they gave parents choices to take their children out of failing schools.
i strongly support a strong public education system. i do not think that that means all schools are the same, or that all schools have to be controlled by the mothership.
i also support teachers unions. some of the charters are held by the union. many of the charters are voting to join unions. i think it is in the best interest of the teachers to join a union.
as long as charter schools get the same per pupil spending as the bureaucratic controlled schools, i support diversity in outlook and teaching styles so that children can get the school that fits them.
is that clear? what do i get?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Two parties with one motivating factor: Money.
Schools? If the kids of Chicago want an education, they can go to private school like everybody else who's connected.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)There is always funding for sports/sports arenas, yet primary education is given a low priority.
Rex
(65,616 posts)It is a horrible commentary on our society. So what corporate name will be on the basketball stadium?