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Now you can add births with a dolphin "midwife" to that list.
The Barringers, from Charlotte, N.C., have made one trip to the Sirius Institute in Pohoa, Hawaii, in preparation for the birth, according to the Charlotte Observer, and will return around Heather's due date.
The institute, which aims to "dolphinize" the planet by connecting the dolphins with humans in all walks of life, including childbirth, claims the dolphins act as midwives and sometimes bring the baby to the water's surface.
http://news.msn.com/pop-culture/dolphin-assisted-childbirth-yes-its-a-thing-now
Does anyone else find this cruel and selfish?
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Dolphins are amazingly smart, but they're still wild animals and therefore unpredictable.
clarice
(5,504 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)What could possibly go wrong?
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)Hekate
(90,648 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)Narcissism wrapped in bullshit, steeped in me me me with an adventurous side-helping of "NATURE IS PRIIIIITTEEEEE!!!"
The thing that really pisses me off about this story, which I've ranted about on other sites is the total DISRESPECT for wildlife. Animals are REAL and have real personalities and real emotions and there is still a RAMBUNCTIOUSLY self-absorbed strand of the hippy "movement" blithely projecting whatever idiotic human values they want onto these poor creatures.
Why couldn't they have just given birth an a swimming pool with an inflatable unicorn?
There is a total absence of seriousness in these people. "LIFE IS A JOURNEY OF SPECIALNEEEEESSS!!!"
MineralMan
(146,287 posts)Fads come and go, but this one is one of the stupidest ideas I've seen, ever. A dolphin might hang around out of curiosity. They do that with humans, but the risks involved with such a birth make it a very poor idea.
Wait until the child is old enough, then introduce it to dolphins, if you wish. Have the baby safely, though, so it will have a chance to grow to that age.
Sheesh!
Matariki
(18,775 posts)That 'sometimes' thing would worry me.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Sissyk
(12,665 posts)the baby around the swimming pool until it's dead.
This is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Takket
(21,563 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)LeftinOH
(5,354 posts)with a huge carnivorous wild animal waiting at the "exit"?
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)I was under the impression (possibly erroneously) that it was fairly common.
Human beings are STUPID.
I want to be a different species.
Warpy
(111,249 posts)and they were screwy enough to give the rest of us a bad name.
QC
(26,371 posts)JCMach1
(27,556 posts)ewww
FSogol
(45,481 posts)I love the line, {The dolphins} "sometimes bring the baby to the water's surface"
Does someone go down and get the babies the dolphins don't bother with?
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)PB
eShirl
(18,490 posts)I've got it! PITBULL MIDWIFE!
What could possibly go wrong?
Arkansas Granny
(31,515 posts)is a good thing. Aren't dolphins carnivorous? Would a newborn look like dinner? I just think someone has figured out a way to make a buck.
eShirl
(18,490 posts)Orrex
(63,203 posts)...my puncreas...
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Tien1985
(920 posts)ErikJ
(6,335 posts)Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)It's really unbelievable. Aside from the absurdity of the whole story, as a factual matter, who in their right mind is going to take a flight to Hawaii when they're at or even near their due date? And which airline is going to allow them to fly so close to term? (Aside from Sarah Palin, if you accept her cockamamie story about flying to AK from TX while in labor the birth of her son. )
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Even within Hawai'i, no babies have been born on the island of Lana'i (the one Larry Ellison just bought) for years, because there are no birthing facilities there, dolphin-assisted or otherwise , and the moms have to fly up to O'ahu a month in advance. This important because the island of your birth is of high importance in Hawaiian culture; for instance, each island has its own birthstone (not amethyst or peridot or whatever, but a standing stone).
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)PB
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)which later became a birthing center similar to this one.
My questions: How closely do the dolphins "assist"? Anything closer than "off to the side observing" is too close for comfort. Also, which dolphins are used? Adolescent males have been known to get frisky with human females, which could prove inconvenient, to say the least.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)I mean if a dolphin eats your afterbirth that's like Nature Squared, isn't it?
PB
MADem
(135,425 posts)I've heard of stupid things, but this has got to be the most stupid and most exploitative scheme I've ever encountered...it's craven in its "sucker born every minute" vibe!
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)There is a certain flavor of disaffected children of wealth which haunt my town and while they make up a very, very small percentage of the population here, they make up a disproportionately large portion of the (for lack of a better term) "woo" crowd. It's tough to explain briefly without making over-generalizations but, really, if you've lived in my town long enough you can spot 'em a mile away: Money and time on their hands, totally have no idea who they are as people and desperately looking for experiences (and sometimes other people) to buy to help give them an identity.
This is a perfect example of the kind of people I imagine would really do this sort of thing.
The term "Trustafarian" is probably the most accurate but the definitions I found online are still lacking.
Edit: Just found a great definition:
"Any member of a social class of dependently wealthy people, generally ages eighteen to forty, who attempt affecting lifestyles that conceal their affluence while still maintaining a life of leisure."
PB
JHB
(37,158 posts)...as long as the shark leaves the kid alone and only eats whatever idiot thought this was a good idea.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)Big Foot and Alien Assisted ones next!!!
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)PB
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)hunter
(38,311 posts)Sissyk
(12,665 posts)I was told today there was a show on the Discovery Channel over the weekend. A documentary. A documentary about the existence of mermaids. According to the show, they have documentation of mermaids.
Mermaids!
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Aviation Pro
(12,163 posts)...a waste of oxygen?
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)The fucking kid is going to be traumatized by having them as shitstain parents. Save your $$$ folks, for your child's therapy, and for the LOVE OF GOD WASH YOUR FUCKING HAIR!
Tree-Hugger
(3,370 posts)I am a big time birth advocate, homebirther, placenta consumer (just wrap it in bacon, it'll be fine), and all that earth mama shit. I find this, if it is not satire, to be completely appalling. That is unbelievably dangerous to both the baby and the dolphins. Dolphins are amazing creatures, but they don't want to be anyone's fucking midwife. Gah...people are so freaking stupid.
This has to be satire.
Butterbean
(1,014 posts)There are a lot of things I gleaned from all the tree hugging hippie parents that really helped me out (slings, just for starters...). These people are just.......................idiots.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)Hekate
(90,648 posts)Cruel to dolphins. Dangerous to babies. Dangerous to mama, too, when you think of the lack of sanitation.
I can only hope it is satire, but somehow I think that somewhere there are people addled enough to give this a try.
antigone382
(3,682 posts)I don't mean to sound snarky or lecture you. You seem like a perfectly reasonable person, and there's no reason to apologize for yourself. You don't have to be a wacky extremist to support home births; a preponderance of evidence suggests that healthy women with low risk pregnancies are just as safe delivering at home as they are at a hospital.
There is nothing whatsoever natural about confining a wild animal to participate in labor; it kind of seems like the absolute opposite of what any woman in history/any other birthing species in evolutionary history (that I know of) has ever done. Traveling halfway around the world to deliver a baby in a tank full of undomesticated ocean predators is a highly artificial scenario.
PD Turk
(1,289 posts)Make it a pitbull assisted birth at Olive Garden and make sure the mom breastfeeds the newborn on a bed of kudzu while an audience of e-cigarette smoking narwhals cheers them on.
Then you'd have something!
apples and oranges
(1,451 posts)MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)New Age wankers.
antigone382
(3,682 posts)If you're healthy and don't have any conditions that put you at a higher risk, a well-planned birth in a clean home or a birthing center is as safe as a hospital birth, and less likely to result in surgical interventions. A midwife with either of the two kinds of professional certifications is qualified to handle a healthy birth. I can't see any of the midwives, doulas, or mothers I know who have opted for a natural birth thinking that bringing a wild animal (or any animal, really) into the mix is a good idea--at the very least there is a sanitation issue, and quite frankly there is nothing natural or traditional about it.
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)antigone382
(3,682 posts)The cesarean rate in the US is about 32% (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/delivery.htm), which is twice as high as the rate recommended by the WHO (http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/85/10/06-039289/en/).
This rate varies widely by hospital, with some having a rate as high as 70% (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/05/health/rate-of-caesarean-deliveries-varies-widely-across-us.html?_r=0).
It is highly unlikely that 70% of deliveries in any one hospital really require the intervention of a C-section; in such a case hospital birth is very much unnatural.
This doesn't even get into the routine use of drugs, such as the hormone pitocin, to speed up delivery, nor the other ways that hospital births tend to require behaviors that are different than what a laboring woman might be expected to do "naturally," though of course that varies a lot for the individual.
This is not meant to discourage a woman who wants a hospital birth from having one; every woman should determine what sort of laboring situation is most comfortable and safe for her. And as I said before, in a case where there are high risks, I would encourage a woman to go to the hospital, because more stringent monitoring and interventions are called for in that situation. But for an average woman with a healthy pregnancy, there is no compelling reason not to have a home birth if one is desired.
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)antigone382
(3,682 posts)Being a scientifically minded person I was leaving room for ambiguity and variation...but whatevs.
Shall I presume that a national C-section delivery rate of 30% doesn't qualify as unnatural in your book?
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)I find it is stupid to do so.
antigone382
(3,682 posts)For the women I know who actually have gone through the process, the naturalness of the experience is meaningful, and I will honor that. I apologize in advance for our stupidity.
In any case and without assigning blame, I am bored with the tone this discussion has taken. I prefer conversations that entail a bit less flippancy and a bit more human engagement. I concede the last word to you.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Are you asserting it's unnatural?
Nimajneb Nilknarf
(319 posts)But I wouldn't trust them as midwives.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)If something goes wrong, you know who's gonna be blamed.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)We are devolving.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)It's all fun and games until Flipper flips an infant like a beach ball....
get the red out
(13,462 posts)That they have to bother the poor dolphins with their childbirth? Why to individuals regard themselves as so special and needing all these special, innovative, potentially ABUSIVE things?
This kind of stuff makes me sick. These poor creatures held hostage for the pleasure of idiots. No doubt if these parents got their baby killed doing this it would cost the life of the poor animal as well since that's what humans do! Get themselves into bad situations than get revenge on something else for it.
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)Golden Raisin
(4,608 posts)of wishful anthropomorphism run amok, earth-centric hippy parents-to-be who should probably have been required to secure a license to bring a child into the world, and just plain potential catastrophe. Bad, bad idea even if the dolphin was Flipper with Einstein's brain transplanted.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)As an atheist, I was hoping the dolphins would be more on the ball!
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)PB
JI7
(89,247 posts)Bombero1956
(3,539 posts)Dr. Orca.
a la izquierda
(11,791 posts)No, seriously, WHY?
catbyte
(34,375 posts)have to deal with hippy dippy morons and their offspring further invading their space? Unbelievable.
PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Maybe I should switch to a major brand.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)That alone doesn't sound like a fun experience.
Hekate
(90,648 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)Stupid, narcissistic Trustafarians.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)empathic, and I am pretty sure they are psychic.
They are very sad that some humans have so little awareness of this existence that they would hold them captive. Because the Sirius Institute does not hold our dolphin kin captive, I believe that they would be pleased to assist evolved humans with bringing their children into the world, and will come and assist of their own accord if they feel that is the right thing for them to do.
I don't see this as cruel and selfish, if it is the dolphin people's choice. It is certainly not cruel to the coming child; it is a special honor, from my POV. My baby was born sans epidural on a snow covered mountain with midwives attending the birth. A grandmother coyote, probably almost too old to hunt anymore, came and took one of our ranging hens in broad daylight. in my full view out of a picture window during labor. My son is named after grandmother coyote. He is pleased with his birth story, and pleased with how he was given his name.
I lived on a fairly remote beach on the Pacific Coast of Mexico for several years, and I was "adopted" by a dolphin family, and they would come visit me when I walked the beach alone almost every day for several years when I was not traveling elsewhere.
Hekate
(90,648 posts)He ran back and forth across the yard a few times with Penelope in his jaws before leaving for dinner. I'm glad "your" coyote was a grandmother in need, but mostly coyotes are simply opportunists.
As for the rest ....
Zorra
(27,670 posts)thinking, and perceiving, sensing, and understanding the world, are so relevant to where we come from. When I was young, I was often repeatedly surprised by the things I didn't know. Now, I have come to some understanding that I probably really don't know anything, and that what I believe is based in my background and experiences, and that these things are incomplete.
So it always amazes me how there can be some people in this same world who know so much.
There was once an old man I knew, many years ago, a neighbor and friend, who shot a coyote in his yard; she was scrawny, and limped, and moved slowly. She had been hanging around his place for several days, he said. He said he figured she very old, as her teeth were very worn down. I thought that this was probably a good possibility, especially since my friend was born and raised on a sheep ranch on the Snake River outside Weiser, Idaho, around the turn of the century, and he had numerous experiences with many coyotes over the course of his lifetime, and I had found through previous experience that his opinions and advice were trustworthy.
My friend had a great deal of respect for the coyote, as do I.
The hen's name was Henrietta, btw. She was a pet, as she had been around for many years, and had stopped laying eggs. We figured maybe she had gotten too old to lay eggs anymore, as such seems to often be the case with older hens. We were sad to see her go, but at the same time, were glad that we wouldn't have to put her down ourselves, and were also glad that old grandmother coyote, who was just as opportunistic as every other creature on this planet, got a good breakfast out of her.
"As for the rest"...well, I suppose you know all about that already, so there's probably no sense in going into it any further.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Well, a lot, I guess.