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apples and oranges

(1,451 posts)
Wed May 29, 2013, 11:39 AM May 2013

Dolphin-assisted childbirth: Yes, it's a thing now

Last edited Wed May 29, 2013, 01:09 PM - Edit history (1)


From water births, aroma-therapy births to births under hypnosis, couples often go to great lengths to give their baby what they think is the best possible entrance into this world.

Now you can add births with a dolphin "midwife" to that list.

The Barringers, from Charlotte, N.C., have made one trip to the Sirius Institute in Pohoa, Hawaii, in preparation for the birth, according to the Charlotte Observer, and will return around Heather's due date.

The institute, which aims to "dolphinize" the planet by connecting the dolphins with humans in all walks of life, including childbirth, claims the dolphins act as midwives and sometimes bring the baby to the water's surface.


http://news.msn.com/pop-culture/dolphin-assisted-childbirth-yes-its-a-thing-now

Does anyone else find this cruel and selfish?
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Dolphin-assisted childbirth: Yes, it's a thing now (Original Post) apples and oranges May 2013 OP
Yes. Cruel and selfish and exploitive and dangerous. Arugula Latte May 2013 #1
Dolphin safe baby. Now I've heard it all. nt clarice May 2013 #2
Good grief! HappyMe May 2013 #3
No wonder malpractice insurance is so high! KurtNYC May 2013 #4
Malpractice? I doubt there's an M.D. anywhere who'd do this. Hekate May 2013 #59
Gooooood GOD.... sibelian May 2013 #5
Oh, my... MineralMan May 2013 #6
"and sometimes bring the baby to the water's surface." Matariki May 2013 #7
And sometimes hide it under a rock... Shrike47 May 2013 #43
And 'the rest of the time' drag Sissyk May 2013 #71
Discover magazine called this one of the worst ideas ever -link- Takket May 2013 #8
some good comments on the link KittyWampus May 2013 #25
Stupid and dangerous. What normal person would want their baby born LeftinOH May 2013 #9
snack time! bunnies May 2013 #11
i dont think most folks think of dolphins as predators or carnvors Liberal_in_LA May 2013 #85
Haven't dolphins raped people? JaneyVee May 2013 #10
Well, I don't know about that but male dolphins DO rape female ones. sibelian May 2013 #14
We used to call them trust fund hippies Warpy May 2013 #52
That happened to Hank Hill! QC May 2013 #77
Yes they have... check Youtube JCMach1 May 2013 #82
Be careful everyone. Dolphins cause Autism. FSogol May 2013 #12
The ones the dolphins don't bring to the surface? Those are the witches. That's how ya tell. nt Poll_Blind May 2013 #30
Gee, why not a gorilla midwife? They're intelligent, too. Or a wolf midwife? eShirl May 2013 #13
I just can't bring myself to believe that giving birth in the presence of a wild animal Arkansas Granny May 2013 #15
On the other hand, I'm all in favor of dolphin-assisted suicide. eShirl May 2013 #16
It's nice to see children born with a sense of porpoise Orrex May 2013 #17
Ooch... krispos42 May 2013 #18
Well, I think it blows. Arugula Latte May 2013 #33
You sir, win DU tonight. Nt Tien1985 May 2013 #76
HA! Dolphins are never on purpose. ErikJ May 2013 #89
This sounds like an article from the Onion. Sheldon Cooper May 2013 #19
Good point. KamaAina May 2013 #22
(in Tracy Ullman voice) "Dolphin et youh baby!" nt Poll_Blind May 2013 #20
The first place I stayed in Hawai'i was at a dolphin-oriented B&B KamaAina May 2013 #21
what about the after-birth and shit that accompanies birth? That goes into the dolphin tank too? KittyWampus May 2013 #23
I assumed the dolphins would eat it or play volleyball with the placenta or something similar. Poll_Blind May 2013 #27
When they start playing volleyball with the newborn, that's when it will get interesting. MADem May 2013 #50
As far as I'm concerned, responses #26 & #53 nailed it. Poll_Blind May 2013 #54
I'd suggest shark-assisted childbirth... JHB May 2013 #24
People with too much money and time on their hands. hobbit709 May 2013 #26
Look for... greytdemocrat May 2013 #28
Does this open the door for the other end of the spectrum? (Dolphin Assisted Suicide) Poll_Blind May 2013 #29
Why dolphins? Why not manatees or narwhals? Blue_Tires May 2013 #31
Or pit bulls??? hunter May 2013 #34
Or mermaids? lol! Sissyk May 2013 #72
So long, and thanks for all the umbilical cords? MNBrewer May 2013 #32
+42 cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #37
this is why we were the second most intelligent species. nt msanthrope May 2013 #48
lol Liberal_in_LA May 2013 #83
Does anyone else find rich 1%ers... Aviation Pro May 2013 #35
Really Fuck The Dolphin Birthing Crew! HangOnKids May 2013 #58
So, I am one of *those* people Tree-Hugger May 2013 #36
Yep. I can hang with the whole natural birth thing. Lotus birth? No problem. Butterbean May 2013 #39
Ditto to both of you. nt laundry_queen May 2013 #45
I agree with all three of you. Damn what a stupid idea. Hekate May 2013 #57
One of *those* people who acknowledges relevant statistics concerning natural birth? antigone382 May 2013 #64
How boring PD Turk May 2013 #38
LOL apples and oranges May 2013 #41
What about good old fashioned Doctor assisted childbirth? MattBaggins May 2013 #40
I've been at a midwife-attended home birth a few times, and I'm for natural birth, when appropriate. antigone382 May 2013 #61
A hospital birth isn't natural? MattBaggins May 2013 #63
Speaking in generalities, it is less likely to be so. antigone382 May 2013 #66
"Naturally" is in quotes since it doesn't really mean anything. MattBaggins May 2013 #68
Umm...OK....? antigone382 May 2013 #69
I don't use the word natural with childbirth MattBaggins May 2013 #73
OK, when you give birth to a child, I will be sure not to describe it as natural. antigone382 May 2013 #74
That's an odd comment. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #90
Apex marine predators can be our friends Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #42
This is wrong on several levels but I mostly feel sorry for the dolphins. Shrike47 May 2013 #44
People are so stupid gollygee May 2013 #46
Is there no end to the stupid new-age hipster nonsense? (nt) Nye Bevan May 2013 #47
Dangerous, idiotic, and dumb. MADem May 2013 #49
Why are they so special get the red out May 2013 #51
Those wacky Trustafarians! Tom Ripley May 2013 #53
What a horrible mix Golden Raisin May 2013 #55
No babies have been eaten yet? backscatter712 May 2013 #56
They're higher mammals- they'll bide their time. Poll_Blind May 2013 #79
idiots JI7 May 2013 #60
I'm going to mention this the next time I visit my urologist Bombero1956 May 2013 #62
Why? a la izquierda May 2013 #65
Awesome. Not only are we destroying their home with pollution and God knows what all, now they catbyte May 2013 #67
People are nuts n/t PasadenaTrudy May 2013 #70
I'm suddenly in the mood for a tuna-fish sandwich. ZombieHorde May 2013 #75
It's so awesome that dolphins can give you stitches and a rhogam shot. LeftyMom May 2013 #78
I'm trying to imagine flying from Charlotte to Hawaii close to my due date. winter is coming May 2013 #80
I'm sure the flight attendants will be thrilled when she waddles aboard Hekate May 2013 #87
I'm sure the dolphins are as grossed out by your Whitey Dreads as I. Codeine May 2013 #81
whatntype of medical training does the dolphin have? Liberal_in_LA May 2013 #84
Dolphins are generally kinder and more intelligent than we are, and never engage in war. They are Zorra May 2013 #86
I've seen a perfectly healthy coyote in the prime of life steal a hen named Penelope Hekate May 2013 #88
It's interesting, how our perspectives, our ways of Zorra May 2013 #92
really, what could go wrong? Warren DeMontague May 2013 #91
 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
1. Yes. Cruel and selfish and exploitive and dangerous.
Wed May 29, 2013, 11:40 AM
May 2013

Dolphins are amazingly smart, but they're still wild animals and therefore unpredictable.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
5. Gooooood GOD....
Wed May 29, 2013, 11:48 AM
May 2013

Narcissism wrapped in bullshit, steeped in me me me with an adventurous side-helping of "NATURE IS PRIIIIITTEEEEE!!!"

The thing that really pisses me off about this story, which I've ranted about on other sites is the total DISRESPECT for wildlife. Animals are REAL and have real personalities and real emotions and there is still a RAMBUNCTIOUSLY self-absorbed strand of the hippy "movement" blithely projecting whatever idiotic human values they want onto these poor creatures.

Why couldn't they have just given birth an a swimming pool with an inflatable unicorn?

There is a total absence of seriousness in these people. "LIFE IS A JOURNEY OF SPECIALNEEEEESSS!!!"

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
6. Oh, my...
Wed May 29, 2013, 11:49 AM
May 2013

Fads come and go, but this one is one of the stupidest ideas I've seen, ever. A dolphin might hang around out of curiosity. They do that with humans, but the risks involved with such a birth make it a very poor idea.

Wait until the child is old enough, then introduce it to dolphins, if you wish. Have the baby safely, though, so it will have a chance to grow to that age.

Sheesh!

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
71. And 'the rest of the time' drag
Wed May 29, 2013, 04:00 PM
May 2013

the baby around the swimming pool until it's dead.

This is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

LeftinOH

(5,354 posts)
9. Stupid and dangerous. What normal person would want their baby born
Wed May 29, 2013, 11:55 AM
May 2013

with a huge carnivorous wild animal waiting at the "exit"?

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
14. Well, I don't know about that but male dolphins DO rape female ones.
Wed May 29, 2013, 12:06 PM
May 2013

I was under the impression (possibly erroneously) that it was fairly common.

Human beings are STUPID.

I want to be a different species.

Warpy

(111,249 posts)
52. We used to call them trust fund hippies
Wed May 29, 2013, 02:22 PM
May 2013

and they were screwy enough to give the rest of us a bad name.

FSogol

(45,481 posts)
12. Be careful everyone. Dolphins cause Autism.
Wed May 29, 2013, 11:58 AM
May 2013


I love the line, {The dolphins} "sometimes bring the baby to the water's surface"

Does someone go down and get the babies the dolphins don't bother with?

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
30. The ones the dolphins don't bring to the surface? Those are the witches. That's how ya tell. nt
Wed May 29, 2013, 12:44 PM
May 2013

PB

eShirl

(18,490 posts)
13. Gee, why not a gorilla midwife? They're intelligent, too. Or a wolf midwife?
Wed May 29, 2013, 11:58 AM
May 2013

I've got it! PITBULL MIDWIFE!


What could possibly go wrong?

Arkansas Granny

(31,515 posts)
15. I just can't bring myself to believe that giving birth in the presence of a wild animal
Wed May 29, 2013, 12:07 PM
May 2013

is a good thing. Aren't dolphins carnivorous? Would a newborn look like dinner? I just think someone has figured out a way to make a buck.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
19. This sounds like an article from the Onion.
Wed May 29, 2013, 12:17 PM
May 2013

It's really unbelievable. Aside from the absurdity of the whole story, as a factual matter, who in their right mind is going to take a flight to Hawaii when they're at or even near their due date? And which airline is going to allow them to fly so close to term? (Aside from Sarah Palin, if you accept her cockamamie story about flying to AK from TX while in labor the birth of her son. )

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
22. Good point.
Wed May 29, 2013, 12:27 PM
May 2013

Even within Hawai'i, no babies have been born on the island of Lana'i (the one Larry Ellison just bought) for years, because there are no birthing facilities there, dolphin-assisted or otherwise , and the moms have to fly up to O'ahu a month in advance. This important because the island of your birth is of high importance in Hawaiian culture; for instance, each island has its own birthstone (not amethyst or peridot or whatever, but a standing stone).

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
21. The first place I stayed in Hawai'i was at a dolphin-oriented B&B
Wed May 29, 2013, 12:25 PM
May 2013

which later became a birthing center similar to this one.

My questions: How closely do the dolphins "assist"? Anything closer than "off to the side observing" is too close for comfort. Also, which dolphins are used? Adolescent males have been known to get frisky with human females, which could prove inconvenient, to say the least.

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
27. I assumed the dolphins would eat it or play volleyball with the placenta or something similar.
Wed May 29, 2013, 12:41 PM
May 2013

I mean if a dolphin eats your afterbirth that's like Nature Squared, isn't it?

PB

MADem

(135,425 posts)
50. When they start playing volleyball with the newborn, that's when it will get interesting.
Wed May 29, 2013, 02:16 PM
May 2013

I've heard of stupid things, but this has got to be the most stupid and most exploitative scheme I've ever encountered...it's craven in its "sucker born every minute" vibe!

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
54. As far as I'm concerned, responses #26 & #53 nailed it.
Wed May 29, 2013, 02:47 PM
May 2013

There is a certain flavor of disaffected children of wealth which haunt my town and while they make up a very, very small percentage of the population here, they make up a disproportionately large portion of the (for lack of a better term) "woo" crowd. It's tough to explain briefly without making over-generalizations but, really, if you've lived in my town long enough you can spot 'em a mile away: Money and time on their hands, totally have no idea who they are as people and desperately looking for experiences (and sometimes other people) to buy to help give them an identity.

This is a perfect example of the kind of people I imagine would really do this sort of thing.

The term "Trustafarian" is probably the most accurate but the definitions I found online are still lacking.

Edit: Just found a great definition:
"Any member of a social class of dependently wealthy people, generally ages eighteen to forty, who attempt affecting lifestyles that conceal their affluence while still maintaining a life of leisure."

PB

JHB

(37,158 posts)
24. I'd suggest shark-assisted childbirth...
Wed May 29, 2013, 12:32 PM
May 2013

...as long as the shark leaves the kid alone and only eats whatever idiot thought this was a good idea.

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
72. Or mermaids? lol!
Wed May 29, 2013, 04:07 PM
May 2013

I was told today there was a show on the Discovery Channel over the weekend. A documentary. A documentary about the existence of mermaids. According to the show, they have documentation of mermaids.

Mermaids!

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
58. Really Fuck The Dolphin Birthing Crew!
Wed May 29, 2013, 03:10 PM
May 2013

The fucking kid is going to be traumatized by having them as shitstain parents. Save your $$$ folks, for your child's therapy, and for the LOVE OF GOD WASH YOUR FUCKING HAIR!

Tree-Hugger

(3,370 posts)
36. So, I am one of *those* people
Wed May 29, 2013, 12:55 PM
May 2013

I am a big time birth advocate, homebirther, placenta consumer (just wrap it in bacon, it'll be fine), and all that earth mama shit. I find this, if it is not satire, to be completely appalling. That is unbelievably dangerous to both the baby and the dolphins. Dolphins are amazing creatures, but they don't want to be anyone's fucking midwife. Gah...people are so freaking stupid.

This has to be satire.

Butterbean

(1,014 posts)
39. Yep. I can hang with the whole natural birth thing. Lotus birth? No problem.
Wed May 29, 2013, 01:07 PM
May 2013

There are a lot of things I gleaned from all the tree hugging hippie parents that really helped me out (slings, just for starters...). These people are just.......................idiots.

Hekate

(90,648 posts)
57. I agree with all three of you. Damn what a stupid idea.
Wed May 29, 2013, 03:10 PM
May 2013

Cruel to dolphins. Dangerous to babies. Dangerous to mama, too, when you think of the lack of sanitation.

I can only hope it is satire, but somehow I think that somewhere there are people addled enough to give this a try.

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
64. One of *those* people who acknowledges relevant statistics concerning natural birth?
Wed May 29, 2013, 03:35 PM
May 2013

I don't mean to sound snarky or lecture you. You seem like a perfectly reasonable person, and there's no reason to apologize for yourself. You don't have to be a wacky extremist to support home births; a preponderance of evidence suggests that healthy women with low risk pregnancies are just as safe delivering at home as they are at a hospital.

There is nothing whatsoever natural about confining a wild animal to participate in labor; it kind of seems like the absolute opposite of what any woman in history/any other birthing species in evolutionary history (that I know of) has ever done. Traveling halfway around the world to deliver a baby in a tank full of undomesticated ocean predators is a highly artificial scenario.

PD Turk

(1,289 posts)
38. How boring
Wed May 29, 2013, 12:59 PM
May 2013

Make it a pitbull assisted birth at Olive Garden and make sure the mom breastfeeds the newborn on a bed of kudzu while an audience of e-cigarette smoking narwhals cheers them on.

Then you'd have something!

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
61. I've been at a midwife-attended home birth a few times, and I'm for natural birth, when appropriate.
Wed May 29, 2013, 03:28 PM
May 2013

If you're healthy and don't have any conditions that put you at a higher risk, a well-planned birth in a clean home or a birthing center is as safe as a hospital birth, and less likely to result in surgical interventions. A midwife with either of the two kinds of professional certifications is qualified to handle a healthy birth. I can't see any of the midwives, doulas, or mothers I know who have opted for a natural birth thinking that bringing a wild animal (or any animal, really) into the mix is a good idea--at the very least there is a sanitation issue, and quite frankly there is nothing natural or traditional about it.

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
66. Speaking in generalities, it is less likely to be so.
Wed May 29, 2013, 03:46 PM
May 2013

The cesarean rate in the US is about 32% (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/delivery.htm), which is twice as high as the rate recommended by the WHO (http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/85/10/06-039289/en/).

This rate varies widely by hospital, with some having a rate as high as 70% (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/05/health/rate-of-caesarean-deliveries-varies-widely-across-us.html?_r=0).

It is highly unlikely that 70% of deliveries in any one hospital really require the intervention of a C-section; in such a case hospital birth is very much unnatural.

This doesn't even get into the routine use of drugs, such as the hormone pitocin, to speed up delivery, nor the other ways that hospital births tend to require behaviors that are different than what a laboring woman might be expected to do "naturally," though of course that varies a lot for the individual.

This is not meant to discourage a woman who wants a hospital birth from having one; every woman should determine what sort of laboring situation is most comfortable and safe for her. And as I said before, in a case where there are high risks, I would encourage a woman to go to the hospital, because more stringent monitoring and interventions are called for in that situation. But for an average woman with a healthy pregnancy, there is no compelling reason not to have a home birth if one is desired.

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
69. Umm...OK....?
Wed May 29, 2013, 03:54 PM
May 2013

Being a scientifically minded person I was leaving room for ambiguity and variation...but whatevs.

Shall I presume that a national C-section delivery rate of 30% doesn't qualify as unnatural in your book?

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
74. OK, when you give birth to a child, I will be sure not to describe it as natural.
Wed May 29, 2013, 04:36 PM
May 2013

For the women I know who actually have gone through the process, the naturalness of the experience is meaningful, and I will honor that. I apologize in advance for our stupidity.

In any case and without assigning blame, I am bored with the tone this discussion has taken. I prefer conversations that entail a bit less flippancy and a bit more human engagement. I concede the last word to you.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
44. This is wrong on several levels but I mostly feel sorry for the dolphins.
Wed May 29, 2013, 01:22 PM
May 2013

If something goes wrong, you know who's gonna be blamed.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
49. Dangerous, idiotic, and dumb.
Wed May 29, 2013, 02:10 PM
May 2013

It's all fun and games until Flipper flips an infant like a beach ball....

get the red out

(13,462 posts)
51. Why are they so special
Wed May 29, 2013, 02:21 PM
May 2013

That they have to bother the poor dolphins with their childbirth? Why to individuals regard themselves as so special and needing all these special, innovative, potentially ABUSIVE things?

This kind of stuff makes me sick. These poor creatures held hostage for the pleasure of idiots. No doubt if these parents got their baby killed doing this it would cost the life of the poor animal as well since that's what humans do! Get themselves into bad situations than get revenge on something else for it.

Golden Raisin

(4,608 posts)
55. What a horrible mix
Wed May 29, 2013, 03:00 PM
May 2013

of wishful anthropomorphism run amok, earth-centric hippy parents-to-be who should probably have been required to secure a license to bring a child into the world, and just plain potential catastrophe. Bad, bad idea even if the dolphin was Flipper with Einstein's brain transplanted.

catbyte

(34,375 posts)
67. Awesome. Not only are we destroying their home with pollution and God knows what all, now they
Wed May 29, 2013, 03:50 PM
May 2013

have to deal with hippy dippy morons and their offspring further invading their space? Unbelievable.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
80. I'm trying to imagine flying from Charlotte to Hawaii close to my due date.
Wed May 29, 2013, 07:30 PM
May 2013

That alone doesn't sound like a fun experience.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
81. I'm sure the dolphins are as grossed out by your Whitey Dreads as I.
Wed May 29, 2013, 07:34 PM
May 2013

Stupid, narcissistic Trustafarians.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
86. Dolphins are generally kinder and more intelligent than we are, and never engage in war. They are
Wed May 29, 2013, 10:32 PM
May 2013

empathic, and I am pretty sure they are psychic.

They are very sad that some humans have so little awareness of this existence that they would hold them captive. Because the Sirius Institute does not hold our dolphin kin captive, I believe that they would be pleased to assist evolved humans with bringing their children into the world, and will come and assist of their own accord if they feel that is the right thing for them to do.

I don't see this as cruel and selfish, if it is the dolphin people's choice. It is certainly not cruel to the coming child; it is a special honor, from my POV. My baby was born sans epidural on a snow covered mountain with midwives attending the birth. A grandmother coyote, probably almost too old to hunt anymore, came and took one of our ranging hens in broad daylight. in my full view out of a picture window during labor. My son is named after grandmother coyote. He is pleased with his birth story, and pleased with how he was given his name.

I lived on a fairly remote beach on the Pacific Coast of Mexico for several years, and I was "adopted" by a dolphin family, and they would come visit me when I walked the beach alone almost every day for several years when I was not traveling elsewhere.

Hekate

(90,648 posts)
88. I've seen a perfectly healthy coyote in the prime of life steal a hen named Penelope
Thu May 30, 2013, 02:47 AM
May 2013

He ran back and forth across the yard a few times with Penelope in his jaws before leaving for dinner. I'm glad "your" coyote was a grandmother in need, but mostly coyotes are simply opportunists.

As for the rest ....

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
92. It's interesting, how our perspectives, our ways of
Thu May 30, 2013, 08:47 AM
May 2013

thinking, and perceiving, sensing, and understanding the world, are so relevant to where we come from. When I was young, I was often repeatedly surprised by the things I didn't know. Now, I have come to some understanding that I probably really don't know anything, and that what I believe is based in my background and experiences, and that these things are incomplete.

So it always amazes me how there can be some people in this same world who know so much.

There was once an old man I knew, many years ago, a neighbor and friend, who shot a coyote in his yard; she was scrawny, and limped, and moved slowly. She had been hanging around his place for several days, he said. He said he figured she very old, as her teeth were very worn down. I thought that this was probably a good possibility, especially since my friend was born and raised on a sheep ranch on the Snake River outside Weiser, Idaho, around the turn of the century, and he had numerous experiences with many coyotes over the course of his lifetime, and I had found through previous experience that his opinions and advice were trustworthy.

My friend had a great deal of respect for the coyote, as do I.

The hen's name was Henrietta, btw. She was a pet, as she had been around for many years, and had stopped laying eggs. We figured maybe she had gotten too old to lay eggs anymore, as such seems to often be the case with older hens. We were sad to see her go, but at the same time, were glad that we wouldn't have to put her down ourselves, and were also glad that old grandmother coyote, who was just as opportunistic as every other creature on this planet, got a good breakfast out of her.

"As for the rest"...well, I suppose you know all about that already, so there's probably no sense in going into it any further.

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