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(12,081 posts)sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)to some asshole on a local paper comment board when he was whining about teachers taking two months off and still getting paid what he considers a whopping salary.
Fucking gutless shit never bothered to reply again but I did get a pretty nice handful of likes and replies.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)There are some education reforms I'd like to see, but none of them involve shafting hard working teachers.
This is a job I couldn't do. I'd love to TEACH, but in that environment, with those requirements, I couldn't keep up. I'd fail.
LuckyLib
(6,817 posts)Our society/culture has convinced us that because we've all been in a classroom, "any warm body can teach." That mindset is at the heart of what Americans think about education.
it's at the heart of underfunding education, and it's at the heart of our crappy international rankings in math and science, AND it's at the heart of the corporatist decimation of our entire system of public education.
BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.
But really, those that teach, not only can do; they can impart that knowledge to others.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)For four and a half years, I pursued accelerated certification and tried to become a MATH teacher. I cannot get a single, solitary administrator to hire me. I believe it's because I'm old (57) and I am a newly trained teacher competing with over 70,000 veteran teachers looking for jobs these days--although I do have years of unique experience as an educator and advocate.
My students routinely told me I make learning math fun and easy. Too bad I won't get to help more of our children learn math.
ashling
(25,771 posts)but I was in social studies. Problem was: I don't coach sports. I should have gone that way out of college, but I went to law school instead. (what can I say, there was a girl involved - we broke up my first semester.)
I went back to grad school in my mid 50s. Now I teach government and history in community college.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)I've deferred my entry into a graduate program that will enable me to teach in secondary schools AND at the community college level.
Our little community college is an insular environment. You have to be connected to get a position. I hope to be one of the FEW people qualified to teach college algebra, trig and pre-cal. Keep your fingers and toes crossed for me!
ashling
(25,771 posts)Also, be prepared to be an adjunct (part time usually no or very limited benefits)
My wife has a full time position at a community college. She could have made more teaching High school in the town we used to live in. With her regular classes + overage classes and other adjunct classes at another college, she has been teaching 10 classes a semester! I teach what I can get, which right now is 2 poli sci. online. I will have a hybrid history for summer 2.that's if they all make.
But then you get a letter from a student like the one I posted here recently that makes it all worthwhile.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)chervilant
(8,267 posts)And, thanks for being such an awesome teacher!
ashling
(25,771 posts)RedCloud
(9,230 posts)Kurovski
(34,655 posts)Indeed.
K&R
rbilick
(21 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)....until corporate America stopped paying their workers and suddenly "normal" pay shrank.
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)People need to know that even if they themselves are not union members, their workplace and level of pay are still affected by what unions fight for.
People will complain that unions are corrupt. The banks were corrupt and who is dismantling those?
People, please stop destroying your own "pursuit of happiness" while easily giving it all away to the endlessly greedy few at the "top".
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,819 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)They think it means "401k".
caledesi
(11,903 posts)tblue
(16,350 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)colorado_ufo
(5,730 posts)calimary
(81,109 posts)I've been wondering how long it'd be before we'd start seeing this, or hearing it, from ANYWHERE.
I couldn't help it, and I apologize if it seems hard-hearted, but I found myself wondering how many of those unfortunate folks in Tornado Alley voted for romney - who fulminated repeatedly about the NERVE, the very OUTRAGE, of wanting to hire MORE police, more firefighters, more teachers... and "burden" the taxpayers, and how they think they're ENTITLED! Who the hell do they think they are? Do they know how much that's gonna cost? And blah-blah-blah. How many of them bought into that and thought it was a good thing? I bet they think differently now - since those same humble teachers and first responders have repeatedly proven they're MORE THAN worth their weight in gold-pressed latinum. When they personally made the difference between whether your precious child lived or died. I wonder if this has changed anyone's mind.
I found myself thinking about that in other cases, too - like with the Jersey Shore or in the path of some other destructive monster storm, OR lunatic with a destructive monster gun or homemade bomb, too, for that matter.
And I wonder how soon they'll forget. And go back to the republi-CON gospel of cruelty and selfishness and shortsightedness - that all those whining teachers and first-responder leaches of your tax money are just useless and they should all be fired, and government is your enemy and is just bad and too expensive and doesn't do anything for you or help pull you out of a jam.
Good Grief, these voters need some serious re-education!!!!!!
siligut
(12,272 posts)They believe this is all it takes for them to win and they have invested a fortune in it. Take back the media, take back the narrative.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)lastlib
(23,152 posts)"[...or] to ask for the resources to do his/her job well..."
kimbutgar
(21,055 posts)I never could get it that those who say they love this country would attack teachers who teach our children who are our future. Something is very wrong with those that embrace this "teacher are bad, teachers are union thugs" meme. Did these attackers ever go to schools and get taught by teachers? I remember growing up and my parents telling me respect your teachers. I watch old movies where in the movie they say "the teacher is always right, listen to your teachers, respect your teachers". But now the reich wing suddenly doesn't like teachers because there is no profit in education and they don't want to pay taxes to live in an educated society. I hope they go down in giant flames in November 2014.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)They will sooner or later, when the desperately poor, uneducated masses finally decide that they have had enough -- if they are not part of the masses themselves.
We People
(619 posts)They, of all people, should know better. Double shame on them.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Out here they call them "charter schools".
The charter schools don't have to hire teachers that earned a college degree in teaching.
Hell, they don't even have to have a college degree to teach at a charter school.
All that is required to teach at a charter school is just an honest desire to teach children.
The same good ol' fashioned Christian way our forefathers were taught, praying at their desks that the socialist Democrats like Obama don't ruin this country by making everyone join a union.
kimbutgar
(21,055 posts)Obviously you know nothing about education. The old school teacher in the western days went to teacher's college. The college I attended used to be a teachers college in the early 1900's they called it normal schools then. So you are just spouting your usual reich wing talking points dibble about something you know nothing about.
ashling
(25,771 posts)a part of the right wing "Christian" mantra: "They took God out of schools and made it illegal for students to pray in school" ergo school = evil; teacher=evil. This meme supports the right wing Randian (Ayn and Paul) that government should go away and let the free market decide. The invisible hand of the market sounds to right wing "born again" "Christian" tea-vangelicals very familiar. The invisible hand - Holy Ghost, et al.
tclambert
(11,084 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)Blue Owl
(50,257 posts)Fuck the GOP. And Rahm Emmanuel.
Very cool
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)What a surprise!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)We People
(619 posts)Great photo meme - Thanks, ashling
ReRe
(10,597 posts)I always thought teachers should be some of the highest paid professionals in our land. It takes a special kind of person to be one. I do hope that we can put a stop to this horrible capitalist grab for one of the most precious of our commons: The American Education system.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)myrna minx
(22,772 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)harmonicon
(12,008 posts)I also love a teacher when they're teaching the difference between upper and lower case letters, and I especially love a teacher when they're teaching about how one should not start a sentence with a conjunction. It's really fucking awesome when they do that.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)harmonicon
(12,008 posts)of someone spending time to make a graphic extolling teachers in a manner which seems to indicate that the composer of said graphic ignored a lot of what they should have learned from teachers not hurt? It hurts me.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Sadly, the author of that graphic appears to have been poorly educated (according to this former English teacher).
-Laelth