Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
54 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
The nerve to ask (Original Post) ashling May 2013 OP
well said! liberal_at_heart May 2013 #1
I said pretty much the same thing sharp_stick May 2013 #2
Doesn't get much clearer than that. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #3
Thanks for knowing yourself and the difficulty of teaching well enough to say that. LuckyLib May 2013 #10
And, chervilant May 2013 #25
Exactly. Remember the old adage BlueToTheBone May 2013 #41
I did try to become a teacher... chervilant May 2013 #24
Same for me ashling May 2013 #39
Okay, I'm thinking about that option. chervilant May 2013 #43
I like it - don't make much ashling May 2013 #44
How about a link to that letter? eom chervilant Jun 2013 #47
Here ashling Jun 2013 #48
Thanks! chervilant Jun 2013 #49
Awwe shucks ashling Jun 2013 #53
They dare to think. This is not good in a GOP mindset. RedCloud May 2013 #4
Oh yes. Yes, yes, yes. Kurovski May 2013 #5
Truer words have not been said... rbilick May 2013 #6
Teachers used to be considered underpaid,... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #7
Reagan started the trend to dismantling of unions. Kurovski May 2013 #13
Yup. And now we and our pay and pensions are resented. Gidney N Cloyd May 2013 #14
These days most workers never HEARD the word "pension".... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #19
Amen to that! nt caledesi May 2013 #8
Brilliant!!! nt tblue May 2013 #9
well said. blackspade May 2013 #11
Truth. colorado_ufo May 2013 #12
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!! calimary May 2013 #15
Because we allow the GOP to control the narrative siligut May 2013 #16
Well said! hrmjustin May 2013 #17
Add to that last line: lastlib May 2013 #18
A society is broken when you attack its teachers kimbutgar May 2013 #20
If they don't go down in flames in November 2014 . . . Brigid May 2013 #30
Unfortunately, some Dems have piled on against teachers and for Ed "Reform" We People May 2013 #33
I'm surprised that you haven't been sent to a re-education camp yet. Major Hogwash May 2013 #37
Even in the old days teachers went to college to learn how to teach kimbutgar May 2013 #42
Teacher an public school hatred is also ashling May 2013 #40
We need lots more crazy union thugs. tclambert May 2013 #21
OH HELL YES! BrotherIvan May 2013 #22
100% Correct. MichiganVote May 2013 #23
On that note... Blue Owl May 2013 #26
+1 Not Sure May 2013 #27
Gosh, not a single DU Teacher Hater© recc'd this. Starry Messenger May 2013 #28
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT May 2013 #29
K & R. Teachers are what build community. An attack on them, is an attack on all of us! freshwest May 2013 #31
That's it in a nutshell. Auntie Bush May 2013 #32
Hear, hear! We People May 2013 #34
You hit a nerve on this one, Ashling! ReRe May 2013 #35
kr HiPointDem May 2013 #36
K&R n/t myrna minx May 2013 #38
kick Liberal_in_LA May 2013 #45
I love a teacher when they're telling kids to not use a jpeg when plain text would do just fine. harmonicon Jun 2013 #46
Does trying that hard to miss the point in favor of asinine pedantry hurt? (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2013 #50
Does the irony... harmonicon Jun 2013 #51
k&r for educators. Laelth Jun 2013 #52
thank you trueblue2007 Jun 2013 #54

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
2. I said pretty much the same thing
Thu May 30, 2013, 11:22 AM
May 2013

to some asshole on a local paper comment board when he was whining about teachers taking two months off and still getting paid what he considers a whopping salary.

Fucking gutless shit never bothered to reply again but I did get a pretty nice handful of likes and replies.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
3. Doesn't get much clearer than that.
Thu May 30, 2013, 11:30 AM
May 2013

There are some education reforms I'd like to see, but none of them involve shafting hard working teachers.

This is a job I couldn't do. I'd love to TEACH, but in that environment, with those requirements, I couldn't keep up. I'd fail.

LuckyLib

(6,817 posts)
10. Thanks for knowing yourself and the difficulty of teaching well enough to say that.
Thu May 30, 2013, 12:52 PM
May 2013

Our society/culture has convinced us that because we've all been in a classroom, "any warm body can teach." That mindset is at the heart of what Americans think about education.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
25. And,
Thu May 30, 2013, 07:07 PM
May 2013

it's at the heart of underfunding education, and it's at the heart of our crappy international rankings in math and science, AND it's at the heart of the corporatist decimation of our entire system of public education.

BlueToTheBone

(3,747 posts)
41. Exactly. Remember the old adage
Fri May 31, 2013, 09:28 AM
May 2013

Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.

But really, those that teach, not only can do; they can impart that knowledge to others.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
24. I did try to become a teacher...
Thu May 30, 2013, 07:04 PM
May 2013

For four and a half years, I pursued accelerated certification and tried to become a MATH teacher. I cannot get a single, solitary administrator to hire me. I believe it's because I'm old (57) and I am a newly trained teacher competing with over 70,000 veteran teachers looking for jobs these days--although I do have years of unique experience as an educator and advocate.

My students routinely told me I make learning math fun and easy. Too bad I won't get to help more of our children learn math.

ashling

(25,771 posts)
39. Same for me
Fri May 31, 2013, 05:11 AM
May 2013

but I was in social studies. Problem was: I don't coach sports. I should have gone that way out of college, but I went to law school instead. (what can I say, there was a girl involved - we broke up my first semester.)

I went back to grad school in my mid 50s. Now I teach government and history in community college.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
43. Okay, I'm thinking about that option.
Fri May 31, 2013, 06:43 PM
May 2013

I've deferred my entry into a graduate program that will enable me to teach in secondary schools AND at the community college level.

Our little community college is an insular environment. You have to be connected to get a position. I hope to be one of the FEW people qualified to teach college algebra, trig and pre-cal. Keep your fingers and toes crossed for me!

ashling

(25,771 posts)
44. I like it - don't make much
Fri May 31, 2013, 07:49 PM
May 2013

Also, be prepared to be an adjunct (part time usually no or very limited benefits)

My wife has a full time position at a community college. She could have made more teaching High school in the town we used to live in. With her regular classes + overage classes and other adjunct classes at another college, she has been teaching 10 classes a semester! I teach what I can get, which right now is 2 poli sci. online. I will have a hybrid history for summer 2.that's if they all make.

But then you get a letter from a student like the one I posted here recently that makes it all worthwhile.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
7. Teachers used to be considered underpaid,...
Thu May 30, 2013, 11:57 AM
May 2013

....until corporate America stopped paying their workers and suddenly "normal" pay shrank.

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
13. Reagan started the trend to dismantling of unions.
Thu May 30, 2013, 01:26 PM
May 2013

People need to know that even if they themselves are not union members, their workplace and level of pay are still affected by what unions fight for.

People will complain that unions are corrupt. The banks were corrupt and who is dismantling those?

People, please stop destroying your own "pursuit of happiness" while easily giving it all away to the endlessly greedy few at the "top".

calimary

(81,109 posts)
15. YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!!
Thu May 30, 2013, 01:45 PM
May 2013

I've been wondering how long it'd be before we'd start seeing this, or hearing it, from ANYWHERE.

I couldn't help it, and I apologize if it seems hard-hearted, but I found myself wondering how many of those unfortunate folks in Tornado Alley voted for romney - who fulminated repeatedly about the NERVE, the very OUTRAGE, of wanting to hire MORE police, more firefighters, more teachers... and "burden" the taxpayers, and how they think they're ENTITLED! Who the hell do they think they are? Do they know how much that's gonna cost? And blah-blah-blah. How many of them bought into that and thought it was a good thing? I bet they think differently now - since those same humble teachers and first responders have repeatedly proven they're MORE THAN worth their weight in gold-pressed latinum. When they personally made the difference between whether your precious child lived or died. I wonder if this has changed anyone's mind.

I found myself thinking about that in other cases, too - like with the Jersey Shore or in the path of some other destructive monster storm, OR lunatic with a destructive monster gun or homemade bomb, too, for that matter.

And I wonder how soon they'll forget. And go back to the republi-CON gospel of cruelty and selfishness and shortsightedness - that all those whining teachers and first-responder leaches of your tax money are just useless and they should all be fired, and government is your enemy and is just bad and too expensive and doesn't do anything for you or help pull you out of a jam.

Good Grief, these voters need some serious re-education!!!!!!

siligut

(12,272 posts)
16. Because we allow the GOP to control the narrative
Thu May 30, 2013, 01:46 PM
May 2013

They believe this is all it takes for them to win and they have invested a fortune in it. Take back the media, take back the narrative.

kimbutgar

(21,055 posts)
20. A society is broken when you attack its teachers
Thu May 30, 2013, 03:38 PM
May 2013

I never could get it that those who say they love this country would attack teachers who teach our children who are our future. Something is very wrong with those that embrace this "teacher are bad, teachers are union thugs" meme. Did these attackers ever go to schools and get taught by teachers? I remember growing up and my parents telling me respect your teachers. I watch old movies where in the movie they say "the teacher is always right, listen to your teachers, respect your teachers". But now the reich wing suddenly doesn't like teachers because there is no profit in education and they don't want to pay taxes to live in an educated society. I hope they go down in giant flames in November 2014.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
30. If they don't go down in flames in November 2014 . . .
Thu May 30, 2013, 08:27 PM
May 2013

They will sooner or later, when the desperately poor, uneducated masses finally decide that they have had enough -- if they are not part of the masses themselves.

We People

(619 posts)
33. Unfortunately, some Dems have piled on against teachers and for Ed "Reform"
Thu May 30, 2013, 10:43 PM
May 2013

They, of all people, should know better. Double shame on them.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
37. I'm surprised that you haven't been sent to a re-education camp yet.
Fri May 31, 2013, 02:43 AM
May 2013

Out here they call them "charter schools".

The charter schools don't have to hire teachers that earned a college degree in teaching.
Hell, they don't even have to have a college degree to teach at a charter school.
All that is required to teach at a charter school is just an honest desire to teach children.
The same good ol' fashioned Christian way our forefathers were taught, praying at their desks that the socialist Democrats like Obama don't ruin this country by making everyone join a union.

kimbutgar

(21,055 posts)
42. Even in the old days teachers went to college to learn how to teach
Fri May 31, 2013, 03:36 PM
May 2013

Obviously you know nothing about education. The old school teacher in the western days went to teacher's college. The college I attended used to be a teachers college in the early 1900's they called it normal schools then. So you are just spouting your usual reich wing talking points dibble about something you know nothing about.

ashling

(25,771 posts)
40. Teacher an public school hatred is also
Fri May 31, 2013, 05:23 AM
May 2013

a part of the right wing "Christian" mantra: "They took God out of schools and made it illegal for students to pray in school" ergo school = evil; teacher=evil. This meme supports the right wing Randian (Ayn and Paul) that government should go away and let the free market decide. The invisible hand of the market sounds to right wing "born again" "Christian" tea-vangelicals very familiar. The invisible hand - Holy Ghost, et al.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
35. You hit a nerve on this one, Ashling!
Fri May 31, 2013, 01:02 AM
May 2013

I always thought teachers should be some of the highest paid professionals in our land. It takes a special kind of person to be one. I do hope that we can put a stop to this horrible capitalist grab for one of the most precious of our commons: The American Education system.

harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
46. I love a teacher when they're telling kids to not use a jpeg when plain text would do just fine.
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 07:15 AM
Jun 2013

I also love a teacher when they're teaching the difference between upper and lower case letters, and I especially love a teacher when they're teaching about how one should not start a sentence with a conjunction. It's really fucking awesome when they do that.

harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
51. Does the irony...
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 03:21 PM
Jun 2013

of someone spending time to make a graphic extolling teachers in a manner which seems to indicate that the composer of said graphic ignored a lot of what they should have learned from teachers not hurt? It hurts me.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
52. k&r for educators.
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 03:54 PM
Jun 2013

Sadly, the author of that graphic appears to have been poorly educated (according to this former English teacher).

-Laelth

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»The nerve to ask