The best part of the Facebook Laptop Dad is his defense of the housekeeper.

[Snake Alchemist]

Anyone who defends a hardworking woman like that is alright in my book.

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[Schema Thing]

1. that was the only part that seems worthwhile.

the rest, well, it seems obvious where the young lady got her drama and overwrought-ness.


The guy seems on the edge of control.

[TwilightGardener]

2. Having watched the extended version, I've softened toward the guy--don't think he's nutz, just

really mad and a bit too much of a showman. Still went about it the wrong way--but we all make mistakes.

[Snake Alchemist]

3. That was my take too. nt

[arely staircase]

6. This changes my opinion on him completely

every day I deal with parents who insist their kids do no wrong. This guy is actually a refreshing change.

[Warren Stupidity]

4. His daughter should get the fuck out of that abusive situation as soon as possible.

[arely staircase]

7. she sounds like a spoiled brat to me nt

[Tikki]

14. Spoiled until the reality of the consequences starts to creep in...

Seen this time and time again. Everything for the child/children so
they won't have to struggle like the parent(s) did as young ones.

Then the reality of these actions come full face and they realize
that their sweet little 16 is going to be a handful out in the real
World if they don't start enforcing rules and talking about their child's attitude.

Most teens make it into adulthood with a certain maturity but I can
understand why that father shows concern with his daughter's lack of empathy.


Tikki

[originalpckelly]

15. Are you out of your fucking mind?

This man just shot his daughters computer with a gun.

That's not even slightly scary. Not at all.

[arely staircase]

31. No. Sounds like he has awakened

to the fact that he has raised a child who thinks the world revolves around her. I'm sure he is as to blame for it as anyone. At least he is finally getting a clue. One of the biggest problems in our schools today are parents who refuse to hold their kids accountable and blame the teachers for their kids' bad grades when maybe, just maybe, they ought to make them get off Facebook and hit some actual books.

[originalpckelly]

44. OK, but you don't shoot shit.

I could see that, I think facebook is a waste. Why doesn't he just use his IT skills to block the website on her computer, if he's such a gifted wizard of technology?

The abuse we think children should suffer is amazing.

[arely staircase]

61. I think he picked an over the top way

of going about it. I'm no gun nut but I guess I have a different reaction to the gun part than someone not brought up around the culture. To my mind the shooting of the computer registered the same as if he had destroyed it any other way. Overly dramatic yes. Indicative of a violent person, not necessarily or even probably. I stand by my spoiled brat analysis.

Edited to say the only abuse in evidence can be found in the princess' attitude toward the cleaning lady.

[originalpckelly]

70. Are you kidding me?

What normal rational person, through any method, destroys a piece of equipment they just spent $130 bucks upgrading the day before?

That's indicative of an irrational man seeking revenge. He's just angry, and someone who would cross into the territory of using a gun to destroy something, a weapon, is not safe around them.

[arely staircase]

81. Sounds like you have never used a gun to destroy or celebrate anything.

I have done both with dad's redneck family and momA's Mexican family. And I'm one of the non-gun nuts in the brood.

[originalpckelly]

86. Oh, so he's celebrating now?

Wuh duh fuh?

And that was the original purpose of the gun? To celebrate, right?



Yes, definitely not a weapon, just a firecracker.

[arely staircase]

92. no I didn't say he was celebrating anything

he was clearly destroying something I was saying my family uses guns to do both - sometimes a la vez! My point was that I think your recoil (no pun intended) to the gun aspect and my lack of it derive from different cultural backgrounds. Seriously if that guy's wife is from Saltillo they could be my parents - in much younger form.

[TheWraith]

123. There's a difference between shooting sports and threatening your teenage daughter.

I destroy things with my guns all the time--cinder blocks are a favorite. There's a huge difference between that and taking your child's property out and destroying it in a fit because you didn't like something they said.

[arely staircase]

129. devoid of the context in which it occurred, sure

I could totally see my dad doing this - if we'd had laptops back then. Seriously, he never put a hand on either me, my sister our brothers or my mother. He was given to theatrics. All this family needs is a woman in the background yelling "cuestan dinero las computadoras!"

[TheWraith]

141. There's no context that makes violently threatening your child okay.

And that's exactly what it was, even if it wasn't intended that way. If I don't like something you said, so I smash up the computer you used to say it, it's very clearly saying that next time it might be YOU.

[arely staircase]

147. no, it doesn't clearly say that

i once saw my dad cut all the electrical wiring in my brother' trans am. Why? Because of his 5th speeding ticket. Of course, our mom freaked out when my brother said "ok, then, I'm getting a motorcycle." dad ended up fixing the car. This whole computer shooting business is quite evocative of that little episode in my family. I just hope this guy doesn't give in and buy princess a new laptop next week like my dad would have.

[justiceischeap]

186. Well, if I'm understanding him correctly

that laptop wasn't his child's property--she didn't buy it, she didn't pay to have it maintained or upgraded. I knew growing up that the things I had, I had because of my parent's hard work (until I got a job of my own) and that if I did something I shouldn't, I could easily lose the things my parents allowed me to have.

I wonder if the reaction to this video would have been different if he had destroyed the laptop in another way... say dunked it in water or run over it with a riding lawn mower...

[JSnuffy]

131. Sounds like you just hate the big scary gun...

What if he had driven over it or just given it away to someone?

This spoiled brat of a child just took a step on the right path with a nudge from her father.

[originalpckelly]

143. Given it away = A-OK.

I know, crazy me thinking these things are weapons and such.

[Arkansas Granny]

78. A lot of teens think the world revolves around them. That's just the way it is.

They also do a lot of complaining about how unfair their parents are. This girl went online to blow off a little steam to her friends. She was not standing up and cussing her father. Dad blew this w-a-a-y out of proportion. He strikes me as someone who wants total control over his daughter. I think his reaction to some mild criticism was out of line.

[arely staircase]

169. I guess we all see it through the lense

of our own experiences. I see not a man wanting total control of his daughter but one who has probably let his daughter have and do whatever she wanted since she first became verbal and ambulatory. Now she is a teenager and he is starting to realize princess won't listen to him and it is much less cute than he thought it was when she was little and the stakes were lower.

[IndyJones]

130. It was not her computer. It is his and he allowed her to use it.

[originalpckelly]

145. He refers to it as hers.

In his mind it is clear that it is associated with her, and as such I think it's clear this is a proxy for violence against her.

[sarcasmo]

36. +1

[Snake Alchemist]

9. I doubt she wants to leave the comforts of home. nt

[ohnoimscared]

184. read this and tell me again that the daughter is in an abusive situation, please.

I don't think you will have the same opinion.

Why cant we stop treating her like a victim since she doesn't even see her self as a victim


http://www.litefm.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=421220&article=9744152


here is the link where she explains it all

edit:for link

[Quantess]

5. Dad got mad when he found out daughter had complained about parents on facebook.

Not that she was lazy, it's that she complained. Plus, he says he nags at her to get a job. Well unfortunately there are very few jobs for teenagers nowadays. It's not that easy for a 15-16 y.o. to find a job.

[Snake Alchemist]

10. I suppose the first step is turning in the application. nt

[hughee99]

12. It might be hard to know that if you've never applied for a job though.

I suspect if his daughter had been applying to a lot of places with no luck he might have felt different about that aspect of it.

[originalpckelly]

30. Do you think laziness warrants someone shooting a possession?

It sounds a little odd. Why would you spend so much money on software, then throw that away? On the laptop?

This guy's engine isn't working on all cylinders here.

[Quantess]

45. She doesn't sound lazy to me. Sounds like she does her fair share but whines about it.

I can understand the parents thinking she has a bad attitude, maybe she does. But shooting a laptop does nothing to improve a surly teen's attitude. It doesn't solve any problems, in fact.

I am agreeing with you, BTW.

[originalpckelly]

47. I know.

This is going to mess this kid up.

I hope she moves away some day and never talks to his psycho fuck ass again.

[ohnoimscared]

185. read this and tell me she is going to be messed up, will ya please.

http://www.litefm.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=421220&article=9744152

this is where the daughter explains people online and in the media are wrong about what they are saying.

[dionysus]

211. awesome fristian diagnosis...

[hughee99]

49. If you think he did just this because she didnt apply for jobs

I think you missed something.

I'm just saying I'd bet if she applied for 20 jobs and got none of them, her job status wouldn't have been one of the many issues he discussed.

In any case, he likely still has the software even though the laptop is destroyed. In fact, being an IT guy, I'd bet anything he backed up her system before shooting it.

[lumberjack_jeff]

56. She's not 18. They aren't her possessions.

Parenting is a tightrope.

If you indulge and allow them to exploit you, the result is a maladapted adult.
If you punish and excessively discipline, the result is a maladapted adult.

The former is arguably easier from day to day, but I don't see anything in the end result to recommend it.

[originalpckelly]

73. And shooting something then publicly humiliating her...

that's going to produce a stellar young person, right?

I have a feeling that they are experiencing some trouble with her because of their own faults. Children are mirrors of their parents and their style of raising children.

[lumberjack_jeff]

83. It's escalation.

This week in my hometown, a 12 year old girl burned down the family home because she was mad at her parents.

Ideally, you can create an environment of trust, respect and mutual responsibility from the get go. But sometimes either parents or the kid is incapable of it.

I don't think what he's done will have positive effects. On the other hand, the daughter should have been aware of the potential ramifications of her behavior.

[originalpckelly]

89. What if she'd just been saying this to her friends?

What if it was her diary?

What would you say then?

Don't kids deserve a little privacy, especially if they are only a couple years away from maturity?

[lumberjack_jeff]

108. facebook <> diary

One writes one's private thoughts in a diary. One posts stuff you want others to know on facebook.

At age 16 a person should have enough maturity to refrain from texting the world how much the people who bought the computer and pay for the bandwidth suck. She did it to rally her circle of friends against her cruel oppressors and the suck-ass housekeeper they employ.

[Warren Stupidity]

97. so a grown man shoots a laptop and a 12 year old burns down a house

other than scale they both seem to think that the appropriate response to conflict is to act out and destroy things.

I have no idea how the daughter actually behaves - all we have as evidence is one rather disturbed parent ranting about something she wrote on facebook that he took offense at. I know what I saw in that video, and she should get out of that home. Sooner rather than later.

[lumberjack_jeff]

115. She'd be better off as a 16 year old girl on the street or in foster care?

Maybe. I dunno.

The other difference that some may consider relevant is that shooting up his laptop wasn't felony arson and didn't make his family homeless.

[Warren Stupidity]

124. she'd be better off if there was some professional intervention.

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at least an interview, to determine exactly what the situation is at Deranged Gun Dad's Hell House.

[lumberjack_jeff]

125. Family therapy is probably a great idea.

I see no reason to circle the wagons around her or him.

[Ikonoklast]

171. If this had happenned during a divorce proceeding, Angry Gun Dad

would be having a nice little talk with a judge.

[Snake Alchemist]

194. Who says he's fight for custody?

Maybe neither parent would.

[Ikonoklast]

200. Wouldn't matter if he did.

Anyone destroying property like that, no matter whose it was, would get the undivided attention of the court, and an explanation as to why would be demanded.

And it better be a real good explanation.

[originalpckelly]

118. Exactly.

We have no idea what really goes on in that house, except that whatever it is, this dude is unhinged enough to shoot a laptop.

[ohheckyeah]

99. I have a feeling she's a

brat. (Not really, but our "feelings" really don't mean shit.) He tried grounding her, taking away the laptop, phone and privileges and it didn't seem to work. Leaving her to her own devices wouldn't produce a stellar young person either now, would it?

[JSnuffy]

139. Shame is an excellent motivation tool...

... if used properly.

You can argue that it wasn't used effectively here but not that shame can't work or will never have a positive result.

[originalpckelly]

146. Break someone down to build them up?

Great parenting theory that.

[JSnuffy]

178. One of many...

[TheWraith]

34. Yeah, because he's clearly incredibly rational. You could tell that when he SHOT A LAPTOP.

Because it's very rational to react to a teenager criticizing you by taking her computer out and violently destroying it.

[Snake Alchemist]

42. If it's effective, then it will be rational. If it's as ineffective as the previous grounding, then

no. nt

[arely staircase]

71. I can't believe I'm agreeing with you on something nt

[Snake Alchemist]

72. It happens.

[arely staircase]

98. Still, it is unnerving

[hughee99]

55. I suspect they've had a discussion or two before,

and clearly he thinks he didn't get his point across. He may think shooting a laptop and making this video will enable him to do that. I have no idea if this will be effective either, and it's not what I would do, but it's not necessarily irrational.

[TheWraith]

112. It gets the point across that he responds to criticism with violence.

He apparently can't handle the words of a 16 year old girl without losing his shit enough to want to destroy something.

[hughee99]

126. It's gets his point accross that the luxuries she takes for granted now

may not be here tomorrow. They are provided by her parents and can be taken away by them.

He didn't just go on a shooting spree, or "lose his shit and destroy something".

[TheWraith]

158. Yes, he did.

It's a pity you can't or won't understand that. Destroying someone's property is a violent act, and destroying something of value because you're angry is an act of irrationality.

[hughee99]

197. He seems to have a rational reason for destroying it.

I wouldn't have done it, you may not have done it, but because you don't agree with someone's actions doesn't automatically make them irrational. His goal was to make it so the laptop would not be available to her ever again. He could have given it away to charity, thrown it away, or made it so it would never function again. He chose the last option, I think the fact that he used a gun to do it has lead you assume a whole bunch of things about him that may or may not be true.

You have no idea how much that laptop was worth, or what the family's ability to replace it if necessary is, so one can even dispute the "value" of the laptop, especially one that's old enough to need that much in upgrades.

[hughee99]

153. Ah, I see you've decided to continue this discussion elsewhere...

where you have more control of the situation and could potentially accuse me of "following you" to another thread.

Well played.

[TheWraith]

160. I'm sorry, I was under the impression this was a discussion board.

Where I didn't need your permission to express my opinion.

[hughee99]

164. You certainly don't.

If you don't like the way an argument is going, you are free to move it to another venue, write the sort of OP that will attract like minded people, and have the same discussion in a more friendly environment.

That's why I said, "Well played".

[ohheckyeah]

60. Would a baseball bat have been okay?

Seriously, what difference does it make how it was destroyed? It wasn't just because she criticized him...she was disrespectful to him, her mother, her stepmother, used inappropriate language for a 15 year old AND tried to block her parents from her Facebook account. She was warned and she didn't heed the warning.

[originalpckelly]

66. Most normal people understand what guns were made for:

killin' things.

You can abuse someone with words, what can do with violence like guns?

[ohheckyeah]

76. He did use it to kill something...

the functionality of the laptop. He perfectly understood what a gun is made for. Obviously, grounding her and taking away privileges didn't work in the past so he destroyed the laptop.

A laptop is an inanimate object that has no objections to HOW it is destroyed. He didn't abuse anyone.

[TheWraith]

116. The implicit threat of violence isn't abusive? Really?

If I dislike something you said, and come over to your house to smash your computer with a baseball bat, that's not threatening? And done to a child, it's not abusive and frightening?

[ohheckyeah]

121. You would be trespassing......he wasn't. He paid for her laptop, you didn't pay for my computer.

No, it wasn't a threat of violence to the child. It was letting her know the laptop isn't just waiting for her to find it in the closet or get it back after she pretended to be good for a week or two, it's gone. Destroyed.

[Snake Alchemist]

195. My laptop has never been the same after watching the video. nt

[TheWraith]

96. No, NO PART OF IT was okay.

Unless you really think that a teenager being disrespectful to their parents merits the parent responding with violence.

[lumberjack_jeff]

122. "violence"?

If we can't agree on the definition of words, there's very little point arguing.

[siligut]

29. Exactly, she complained. He is concerned about his reputation with a 15yr old's facebook friends!

I see this video as all about him and he has an anger/ego problem.

[MichaelMcGuire]

8. He should grow up.

[originalpckelly]

20. I'm scared that the young lady, however a little fucker she may be...

lives in a house with a male who is willing to shoot shit that belongs to her.

Like I say below, there is probably a charity out there that would have taken the laptop off their hands, and put it to good use.

But then I'm not saying that in parental indignity.

[MichaelMcGuire]

69. Its hard to say for sure. It isn't healthy that's for sure, he may get a visit for it.

but I'd would have thought a man his age would understand teenagers.
The video is way over the top, childish and shows immaturity on his part.
He should learn to talk to his daughter.

[i own my story]

11. You know what? I am getting tired of the adjective

"hardworking." It sounds like something the exploiters say to the serfs whilst patting them on the head and collecting the lion's share of the profit$

[Snake Alchemist]

13. You would rather call her work-adept? nt

[originalpckelly]

17. I would rather like to call the cops...

and tell them pa kettle just shot a possession of his daughters in some type of implied threat to her safety.

But then again, that's what us normal city folk might do.

And he really needs exploding point rounds, because most robbers show up to your house with a bullet-proof vest on.

[Snake Alchemist]

26. That would be great. Have social services come get her.

A few years in the system and she'll have a whole new perspective on life.

[MichaelMcGuire]

84. Social services are there to help stop abuse not steal daughters.

[originalpckelly]

16. He could have just donated the laptop to a charity.

But then again, that's what a normal human being would do, not some backasswards redneck with an anger problem who should not be allowed to own a gun.

[Snake Alchemist]

18. He explains why he does it quite extensively in the video. nt

[2ndAmForComputers]

21. I don't want to hear any explanation. Such an act has NO explanation.

[originalpckelly]

23. He's scary and fucked in the head.

I think if they have social services in her area, they need to get there and make sure she isn't being abused.

People don't understand that although this might look like something funny, it could be a sign that this girl is being abused. When was the last time a normal parent did this? Really?

[Snake Alchemist]

25. That would really teach her a lesson. Put her into the system. nt

[ohheckyeah]

63. I don't think they keep statistics

on how many parents destroy laptops and the method used.

[Snake Alchemist]

24. Ears wide shut. nt

[originalpckelly]

27. When does it become an implied threat to her safety?

I mean, honestly, what more can he do?

This man doesn't seem to be stable. Like I said, a normal parent would just take the thing away.

Why would you spend so much money on software and then go on to shoot it a day later? Does that make sense to you?

Why not keep it for yourself, or give it away?

If you think about these things, it makes this look scary.

[Snake Alchemist]

28. He's tried taking it away. It's very clear in the video why he did this. nt

[originalpckelly]

35. Huh?

If you take it and give it to someone else, she can't go and get it.

And you don't find it a tad bizarre that a man would shoot his daughters laptop? Why not just throw it away?

It's because this isn't just about the laptop, he's trying to scare the shit out of her. By shooting something.

Someone that irresponsible with a gun should not be near one.

[Snake Alchemist]

50. It's a grandiose gesture designed for maximum effect. Designed for her and her friends.

who thought she was such a cool rebel for knowing the "cleaning lady's" roll.

[2ndAmForComputers]

48. He's "tried" and... what? The Spoiled Brat Invisible Force Field prevented him?

Yes, I didn't watch the video, because I have the horrible defects of character known, respectively, as "not liking idiots with guns" and "not liking public humiliation rituals."

[Snake Alchemist]

53. I'm the same way with murder trials.

I don't need evidence to look into a man's eyes and know he did it.

[2ndAmForComputers]

58. What the fucking fuck does that have to do with ANYTHING?

[Warren Stupidity]

102. when the man of the house hacks his kids heads off and blows them up

that would be my guess. Merely acting out with a gun on youtube is no big deal.

[originalpckelly]

22. I watched the video too...

but I'm of the strange element in society who believes that being a snotty little brat isn't a shooting worthy thing.

[Snake Alchemist]

33. Not sure if it can be termed "a shooting." nt

[originalpckelly]

38. Oh, OK.

Thanks for clearing that up. So it was special effects that produced the holes in the laptop, not the crazy ass motherfucker shooting his daughter's computer?

[Snake Alchemist]

62. There was a shooting in Chicago last night.

I hear a parking meter was shot up pretty badly.

[originalpckelly]

68. Let me ask you:

If you were the little snot, would you not be a little scared of this man?

It's freaky.

[2ndAmForComputers]

37. A deviant like me. I don't like idiots with guns, and I don't like public humiliation rituals.

Which, of course, makes me evil. Like you.

[ohheckyeah]

54. He didn't shoot her.

He destroyed the laptop.

[originalpckelly]

77. Your brain can change shape just from being yelled at and verbally abused.

It does physical damage over the long term.

What do you think shooting something will do?

[ohheckyeah]

87. She wasn't there and I would be

willing to be she's seen a lot more violence on television and in movies. And if yelling at a kid changes the shape of the brain I doubt anybody has a normally shaped brain.

Gosh,maybe if he had just said "honey, pretty please don't do that any more" she would change her ways. He made it plain they had tried taking away her laptop, phone, and grounding her with no results. She ignored them. I doubt she does anytime soon.

Shooting SOME THING is not the same as shooting an animal or a person. He shot an inanimate object. Notice it wasn't quivering in fear at the sight of the gun. And notice the daughter wasn't present when he did it. I'm sure she's really pissed she no longer has a laptop but I seriously doubt she's psychologically damage by HOW it was destroyed.

[2ndAmForComputers]

19. Your post is 100% correct.

[dogman]

32. Is this even real?

Seems idiotic enough to be a sham. We teach our children by example. Should his daughter just react violently to her possessions instead of a childish post on FB?

[Snake Alchemist]

39. She'll have a lot of time to consider it without the internet. nt

[originalpckelly]

43. I know.

Imagine if this was anyone but a kid. Do you think they'd be so forgiving?

It's amazing to think that americans still accept the brutish ideas of the past, that children shouldn't be protected from violence. Just scare them and it will work.

Chances are that she's going to be very afraid of this man.

[ohheckyeah]

93. It depends.

If I were carrying on an illicit affair over the internet and my husband shot my laptop I think it would be understandable. It damn sure would get my attention.

The laptop was paid for out of our joint checking account so he contributed to the purchase of it giving him some rights to destroy it.

And good grief, the stuff kids see on television, video games and movies makes shooting a laptop mild in comparison.

[PassingFair]

174. I'm pretty sure that would be considered illegal.

Even though you would be OK with it.

[ohheckyeah]

176. I didn't say I would be okay with it.

I just don't think it is an implied threat and can somewhat understand the reaction.

[lumberjack_jeff]

40. Over the top? Probably.

But I've been just as pissed as he is.

Kids usually grow out of it eventually. The question is how much disrespect, manipulation, and tolerance for exploitation a parent should be expected to endure in the meantime.

[originalpckelly]

52. Most responses would not be over the top.

But shooting it makes this abusive.

[ohheckyeah]

56. Abusive to who or what?

The laptop maybe.

[lumberjack_jeff]

64. A child has belongings at the suffrage of their guardians.

It was his laptop to dispose of at his pleasure.

Whether it will have the desired effect is debatable. A likely outcome is that her "support network" will circle the wagons around her and will actually undermine his moral authority.

[2ndAmForComputers]

75. Your last paragraph is likely correct, and is more proof he's a clueless ego-driven idiot.

He didn't do it to benefit her daughter in any way, shape or form. He did it to show himself off as tough and righteous.

[lumberjack_jeff]

85. We're all ego-driven. She was ego-driven to post what she did, too.

He seems to believe that parental authority should be absolute. She seems to think that disrespect is without consequence. Both are wrong.

[Cleita]

41. I think parenting should be taught in school.

This moron doesn't have a clue. I can see both sides of this story, but I would say he is more at fault because he's in control and she's at his mercy. She will either run away or elope with some schlub to get out of that situation. Problem solved temporarily and bigger problems, he can't control, are on the horizon.

[Snake Alchemist]

46. With an attitude like that, the mother, father, and housekeeper may be

better off if that were to happen.

[Cleita]

59. What I don't understand is why she needs to do all those chores if they have a housekeeper?

My parents always had housekeepers and I often tried to do stuff like clean my room and iron my clothes and I was yelled at and told not to. It upset the housekeeper because she felt I was encroaching on her job, or so that's what they told me anyway. They told me my job was to be a student and that I should spend my time with my studies. I did get a part time job in college and summer jobs. My parents frowned upon it, but by that time couldn't really object. I managed for the most part to put myself through college with very little help from them. I think they were both disappointed and proud of me at the same time.

[Snake Alchemist]

65. He makes it clear that she is not a full-time housekeeper.

She's just someone who comes by occasionally to help out.

[ohheckyeah]

67. The woman helps them with cleaning

in exchange for services at the clinic. She's not the "cleaning lady".

[Cleita]

74. Well, from what I can observe from the outside looking in

is that family needs counseling and soon. There is so much resentment and hate that is going to go around if they don't resolve these conflicts that may never heal. I know many are saying the kid is a brat, but his actions will only make her more rebellious not less. Now he committed a violent act with her computer. How long before it escalates into a violent act against her or vice versa?

[ohheckyeah]

79. I don't think we have any reason

to believe it will escalate into a violent act against her. Any discipline can cause a kid to be more rebellious. So, should they just be allowed to do whatever they want so they don't get pissed off and act out more?

How's that working for society?

[originalpckelly]

82. They could have simply removed the laptop from her possession.

But then again, that's what a parent would do, not an abusive parent.

[ohheckyeah]

88. They did that before according to him

and it didn't have any effect.

You sure throw around the abusive word a lot which makes light of real abuse like beating, starving or verbally abusing a child. He didn't abuse her but he sure did "abuse" that laptop.

[originalpckelly]

94. Here's the thing: they could just decide not to give it back.

Or give it away.

And this would be taken care of.

Or he could be a tech wizard and block facebook on the computer and let her use it for school. Something tells me though, that the technology he's used to is of free republic vintage.

[ohheckyeah]

103. Something tells me

you have a habit of jumping to conclusions. Your feelings and the "something that tells you" aren't really incredibly reliable, factual evidence of anything. I'd be willing to bet you've been wrong in your assumptions at least one or two times.

He could have done a lot of things. We don't know the whole story and he did what he did. He didn't abuse her, he didn't beat her, he destroyed a laptop.

[Cleita]

95. No, kids shouldn't do anything they want to but it seems to me

that outside intervention is needed. He obviously can't convince her that he's right and won't listen to her side of the issue. He's totally in control and she has no control over her situation except to do things to piss him off. It seems like a call for help to me.

[originalpckelly]

80. We don't know that this hasn't already happened to her.

A guy who might do this might do something else.

[ohheckyeah]

91. We don't have any reason to believe

it has. He didn't beat or shoot her or any other living object. He destroyed a laptop. Dramatic? Yes. Abusive.....I don't think so. Nor do I think it indicates he is "unhinged" or abnormal. He could have used a baseball bat but that expends a whole lot more energy.

[Cleita]

101. How about taking the laptop away, locking it away for awhile, or giving it away?

The act of violence against a laptop is really an act of violence against her whether with a bat or a gun. The laptop is a surrogate for her, and that isn't lost on her. Also, kids have a variety of access to computers elsewhere, so it doesn't solve anything or prove anything other than the fact that he really wants to punch her out.

[ohheckyeah]

113. No, destroying the laptop

is NOT an act of violence against her. Sometimes destroying a laptop is JUST destroying a laptop.


When my dad showed me the dangers of a gun when I was 6 by shooting a watermelon I didn't interpret it as a warning that I would be shot if I touched the gun. We lived in the country (as it appears this family does, but maybe not) which means guns are usually around. They are tools, not necessarily threats to people.

The laptop is a surrogate for her? And you know that how?

[Cleita]

120. I think you knew that the watermelon wasn't a part of you or belonged to you.

The laptop was HER laptop, like her sweater is HER sweater. When anyone destroys something that is YOURS, it's because they want to destroy YOU. Did your brothers or sisters ever break one of your toys? It's because they wanted to hurt you. I think you get the concept. It's really right out of psych. 101.

[ohheckyeah]

132. Well, the watermelon could have been

a part of me if we had been able to eat it for dessert.

It was HER laptop because HE paid for it. My brother and sisters didn't pay for my toys. My parents did.

You really think the father wants to destroy his daughter? Oh, yeah, he wanted to hurt her - he wanted to make her complete disregard for other people painful so she wouldn't do it again, BUT he didn't physically harm her, he didn't scar her for life, he destroyed an inanimate object.

Isn't that what all discipline is about? Making it hurt to behave in a hurtful to other people manner? When a child is grounded it's to make them HURT because they can't do what they want.

Maybe he should have given her milk and cookies and then asked her to pretty please not be such a disrespectful, foul mouthed brat.

That's the problem with kids who are out beating up other people (like in Lynchburg, VA where teenagers beat up and killed an elderly person)....they've never experienced the HURT of discipline. They have no empathy for it because the worst that ever happened to them when they acted out was they were sent to their room where they had a television, computer, cell phone and video games. Wow - that's some real discipline.

[Cleita]

134. Sounds like things weren't too harmonious in your household.

I wonder why?

[ohheckyeah]

144. Maybe you think that because you

think discipline should be fun? You don't think grounding a child hurts them? You don't think taking away privileges hurts them? The worst discipline I EVER got was having the keys to the car taken away. Yeah, it hurt. I was humiliated that I had to tell my friends I couldn't go somewhere because my parents took away the keys to the car and my driving privileges.

I think you and a couple of other people here jump to a lot of conclusions. Don't even presume to know what happened in my household. My parents didn't hit us, scream at us or abuse us in any way. But they did discipline us and even a grounding HURT. The one time I did something pretty bad and the only thing that happened was my mother cried was the MOST hurtful to me.

[ohheckyeah]

172. Father's response to Fox News coverage of the incident and other comments made on Facebook about it:

Tommy Jordan
My response to the Dallas Fox affiliate on their news headline. You can read the headline by clicking the link below:




I've made it a point of not responding to news or media thus far, but I'm going to reply to a few specific issues mentioned from the news anchors:

First, let me say Thanks for not making me out as a TOTAL villain, though you cut-together enough footage sequences to make it seem that way in segments...


It was an emotional response: Yes ma’am it was an emotional response. I raised my children to never use that kind of language, especially in a public place like that. There were so many vulgarities… I don’t even know where to start. She was mad and I get that, but there are way to talk about things without resorting to that kind of language.

Secondly, and I’ve said this on Facebook as well, but I’m sure it will get lost in the flotsam of comments out there; I shouldn’t have said the word “ass.” I’ll agree that wasn’t a good example of me as a father. I had been reading that post again and again for about an hour, sometimes in tears, other times so mad my hands were shaking and I was trying very hard to be civil in my message. I slipped in that and said a word I shouldn’t have. I deserve a little backlash for that, no doubt.

In response to Dr Fletcher’s comments:
Fifteen year olds don’t the social maturity to know what the consequence might be? I learned at about age 3 what good words were.. and what bad word were. I learned what I should say, and what I shouldn’t say. Those lessons were reinforced throughout my life as a pre-teen, teenager, and later into adulthood. I think it’s safe to assume we’ve attempted to instill in her the values that should make it obvious to ANY 15-year old that neither the content, nor its publication to the world at large was acceptable for any child, or even any adult for that matter.

The punishment wasn’t natural or logical?
She’s known the rules for Facebook ever since she was allowed to have an account. She’s broken them from time to time, sometimes by accident, sometimes as a way of stretching her boundaries to see just how firm the boundaries were. This was neither. Her post was WAY over the top.

The Dr mentioned she “doesn’t really know what my daughter will learn from this consequence.” I hoped that would be self-explanatory, but I guess you can’t see that without knowing the rest of the story. The last time she did something completely inappropriate, she was grounded from the Internet for three months. The very day she got it back we had a nice long amicable talk about what was and was not acceptable and that I wanted her to have a chance to prove she was responsible enough to utilize the internet unsupervised… by exercising her renewed freedom in a responsible way. The point of this being that proving you can be trusted to be responsible in one venue can lead to increased freedoms in other venues. I ended that conversation with a warning. I told her if no uncertain terms that we had already taken it away from her once. The next time, there wouldn’t be the same chance. If it happened again, “I’ll put a bullet through it.”

The "This one's from your mom" comment:
Before I made the video this week, I called my wife at her office, mostly in tears. The first words out of my mouth were “Please convince me not to put a bullet through Hannah’s laptop.” She knew something was wrong and asked me to be sensible and tell her what happened. Instead I began reading her the Facebook post our daughter made. She let me get to the end of the post, said “I’m sorry honey” and then said “put one in it for me while you’re at it”… so I did.

Contradiction in Terms?
No I don’t think so. Yes I told my daughter not to air that kind of material on Facebook because it was hurtful to other people. It embarrassed them. It caused them to feel humiliated, especially our very very good friend, who is NOT a cleaning lady by any stretch of the imagination!

Instead, I simply turned the tables and let her be on the receiving end of something and see how it made her feel. You mentioned not embellishing it, not sensationalizing it. I didn’t. I read exactly what she put out there for the world to see, in her own words. Then I added a few of my own words to it.

And then, yes, I shot it full of holes. Would I have received the same viral attention if I’d used it as a dog toy, hit it with a hammer, drove over it with the truck, or simply thrown it away? I’m not sure. But the point is that her parents told her “If it happens again, I’ll put a bullet through it.”
So, rather than let her push that particular boundary any further, I did absolutely no more and no less than I promised I’d do. Do I regret doing it? No. Do I regret keeping it on Facebook long enough to cause this stir? Yes. However at this time I feel that if I took the post or the video down, I'd just make it appear that we're running in shame from it, and we're not.

Truthfully though the social attention has helped her and I both deal with it. We had our discussion about it after she returned home from school. We set the ground rules for her punishment, and then I let her read some of the comments on Facebook with me at my computer. At first it was upsetting. Then as we read it became less so, eventually funny to both of us. At the end, she was amazed that other people had such amazingly strong reactions. Some said she’d grow up to be a stripper. Others that she’d get pregnant and become drug addicted because of the emotional damage. She actually asked me to go on Facebook and ask if there was anything else the victim of a laptop-homicide could do besides stripping because all the posts seem to mention that particular job and she wasn’t so keen on that one.

So in the end, she’s fine. My Facebook wall will never be the same again, and we’ll be OK as a family and she’ll grow up happy, healthy, and have everything she needs, but not everything she wants. And I absolutely guarantee she’ll never doubt my resolve to follow-through on a consequence again.
https://www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii/posts/105495699574209


Fox News coverage: http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/unusual/video%3A-angry-dad-shoots-daughter%E2%80%99s-laptop-020912

[Cleita]

173. Look I grew up with discipline. I went to Catholic school in the forties and fifties.

Yet, even when the discipline often bordered on the abusive, the most violent thing I ever saw a nun do was to tear up a homework paper of another student because she thought the student hadn't done the work herself but cheated. If I misbehaved at home I was disciplined by not being allowed to go to the movies on Sat. afternoon. (We didn't have TV then.) I was an adult before I drove a car because I was not allowed to drive the family car period let alone get the keys taken away. However, I was never abused. If there was a big problem and as a typical teenager I fought with my parents, they would sit down with me and talk to me to figure out where I was coming from and then we would come to a working arrangement between us.

Honestly, we didn't have Facebook back then but many of my friends kept diaries where they wrote about stuff about their parents or siblings that irked them not to mention discussing them with their friends. I heard a lot of the goings on in other people's homes from my friends, and often the parents found out, but none were "disciplined" for it not in that way. The diary was considered private as was personal mail and no one I ever knew had a parent who violated that privacy. I have a step daughter my husband and I shared custody with and eventually had to take her in full time because she was dealing with an alcoholic mother, who did take advantage of her, expecting her to do the housework and cook for herself and then pick her off the floor and put her to bed when she was too drunk to do it herself.

When she moved in with us, all I asked her to do was to keep her room tidy and take care of her clothes, which she did with no problem. Her father, not me, set curfews and other rules, which she kept most of the time, but no one beat her up or started a control war if she slipped once in a while. She's a fine woman today and I live with her and her husband today.

[Warren Stupidity]

119. yeah she's not the cleaning lady, she's just the lady who cleans.

got it.

[Snake Alchemist]

161. Stay classy. nt

[TwilightGardener]

156. You do realize that you had a VERY UNUSUAL upbringing, right? Most families do not belong

to a socioeconomic class that allows them to hire staff for their households, and most parents don't discourage their kids from basically wiping their own asses because that's what they hired someone else to do FOR them. Most parents DO expect chores to be done, do expect children to pitch in, do expect that a kid will get a part time or summer job after 16 or so. It's a way to promote a good work ethic and a sense that one must take care of oneself, in case that housekeeper deal falls through. For that reason, I do respect this guy for at least promoting this in his own daughter, and for making sure she doesn't take the "cleaning lady" for granted.

[Cleita]

175. I understand giving kids chores, but it sounds like she has

more than she is able to handle and has said so. I mean how many hours a week of chores should kids do? Five hours? Ten hours? Twenty hours or more? I think more than an hour a day during the week and maybe two on Saturday would be more than enough.

[Nevernose]

177. People will generally rise to the expectations given.

At least that's been my experience, both as a high school teacher and as a parent of a teenage daughter. My kid has more chores than are on that kid's list, so I know that it should take no more than an hour a day -- less if they're kept up with regularly (not including doing her own laundry, which can take a while on a weekend morning). She specifically mentioned having so much to do that she couldn't stay up past 10pm. What kind of fifteen year old needs to stay up past 10 anyway? Clean the kitchen, clean the floors, make her bed -- BFD.

My initial, gut reaction -- after having dealt with literally thousands of teenagers over the years -- is that this was typical teenage griping. Exaggerrated and not accurate.

I don't even have a problem with the manner in which this guy dealt with it (if he shot it up in front of her, it would have been a clear threat; on Youtube it's just kind of funny).

My issue with the whole thing is that, once again based on my experiences with thousands of teenagers, is that everyone needs a place to express their thoughts and vent their feelings. Kids talking shit about their parents was around long before Facebook and will be around long after, and nobody gets hurt by it. It's the kind of thing that a parent takes up calmly and in private, and if the id isn't capable of being calm (I know mine has issues that make tranquility difficult), then one should consult a therapist.

I'm reminded of the Mark Twain quote: "When I was 14, I thought my father was the stupidest man alive. By the time I was 21, it was amazing how much the old man had learned."

[Cleita]

180. She's still the kid and he is the adult.

Even though she is being a kid and that is expected, I don't believe he is being an adult.

[Maine-ah]

183. and how long does it take to sweep a floor, do some dishes (if they need to be done)

wipe down some counter tops (if need be), your own laundry, and make up your own bed? An hour, total maybe? Her taking a part time job would take up more hours than that. These are the chores as explained by the father.

Girl has it pretty easy, imho.

[Cleita]

202. I dunno, it usually takes me the better part of a morning, but then I'm 72.

I would like to see the size of the floors and counters and how much they have been messed on before I make a snap judgement as to how long it takes. Daddy looks like the type who would pull apart an engine on the kitchen counter.

[Maine-ah]

205. ok, well, I'm half your age

and more than twice the young lady's age (37)

My chores were more than her's when I was a teenager, and I could manage it in an hour. Still can. Dad to me looks like he's a clean, casual dresser. Had some hard knocks himself growing up according to his story. It seems to me you're more judging on his southern accent, and perhaps what also seems like a speech impediment. He stutters quite a bit through the video. He's an IT guy.... probably more likely to take a computer apart on that counter top.

In watching the video, he explains her chores...when he does, he says she has to do these things "if" they need to get done.

[Cleita]

207. Excuse me, but I never mentioned his accent or speech

impediment. I didn't even think about it until you brought it up. It was his lack of parenting skills that got my attention, nothing else. Really, don't put accusations about things in a post that aren't there.

[Maine-ah]

208. you kind of opened the door on it.

"Daddy looks like the type who would pull apart an engine on the kitchen counter."

My point, which you caught, was to not assume, nor to judge. I apologize for offending.

[Cleita]

210. Really? Like no other men do shit like that in northern or western states?

My native California born neighbor does just that type of stuff, not to mention many other "male" obnoxious crap, which made his wife leave him. Wow! You need to travel a bit and observe. Thanks for the apology though and accepted.

[justiceischeap]

189. You would have thought my mother was the worst woman on the planet

to hear me talk about all the "chores" she made me do... which consisted of cleaning my room once a week. Yep, that was my "chore" and I thought her an ogre for it.

This guy explained what her chores are. If they took 5 hours a week, it's because she did them very slowly. Her chores were to sweep the kitchen and living room floors, wipe down the kitchen counter IF it's dirty, put the dishes in the dishwasher away, do HER own laundry and make HER bed. Her laundry is the most time consuming "chore" she has and I'm going to guess she does that one chore once a week. I would take her complaints about the chores with a grain of salt because tends are prone to exaggerate their circumstances--I think she didn't feel like doing the chores, I think she rather have sat around texting or "talking" on Facebook instead of spending a total of a half hour a day doing "chores."

I mean, seriously, if the few things she has been given to do tires her out so thoroughly, I think a doctor visit is in order because there's something obviously wrong with her health.

[Cleita]

203. Well, I think I made that point on another post that teenagers are going to talk about their

parents, and not in glowing terms, on Facebook, or like in my era in diaries and to friends. Another poster, a teacher, said the same. It comes with the territory and I think Daddy Dearest is showing his immaturity for reacting in this way to teenage nonsense. As much as teenagers want to show you they are all grown up, they still mentally are not fully developed into adults and adults should keep that in mind before flying off the handle.

[ohheckyeah]

51. Good for him -

it's a waste of a laptop but makes a very good point. He bought it evidently, he can do with it as he pleases. He spent hours upgrading it, putting new software on it and then she uses it to post a VERY nasty post about her parents and the "cleaning lady" - I understand why he's pissed off.

We see complaints on here all the time about how parents aren't doing their job. Well, we may not like exactly how he did his job but he did do it. He held her accountable for not just the nasty post but trying to block them out of her Facebook account. Kids can say things on Facebook that can haunt them for a very long time. Kids have committed suicide over things said about them on Facebook. She had been warned and didn't take him seriously.....bet she does now.

I applaud him for checking her Facebook page and at least knowing what was going on in her life. That's a helluva lot more than some parents do.

[my2sense]

90. +1

[originalpckelly]

110. She's 15 not 5.

At what point should parents let their kids have a little privacy?

Is it really preparing her for the real world to have someone looking over her shoulder every moment of the day?

Some day she's not going to have anyone to do that, what happens then?

[ohheckyeah]

117. Tell that to the parents

of the kids who have committed suicide over the bullying that has gone on on Facebook. The bullies' parents must have subscribed to your privacy policy.

[boppers]

182. "Is it really preparing her for the real world"

Yes.

Not your computer = anything and everything you do is under scrutiny.

Not your network = anything and everything you do is under scrutiny.

Neither your computer, or your network (like a facebook post): = anything and everything you do is under scrutiny.

"Some day she's not going to have anyone to do that, what happens then?"

Well, she might discover privacy.

[Maine-ah]

187. at 15, a parent should still be checking in on the social websites

we have a man up here that has been arrested on several counts sexual abuse of minors. He started relationships with them on FB and other sites.

[Bigmack]

100. Ya know... I taught High School...

....for 30 years, and if I found out the parent of one of my kids had done this, I'd be legally bound to report this as potential child abuse. Never mind what the kid did to deserve punishment. Somebody who shoots a computer has a hostility problem, in my view. (that may explain why the kid is full of hostility)

But my view is unimportant... I'd have to report it, and the cops and the CPS would be crawling up that guys ass for weeks! I had two former students on the force in my town... one of them in "special victims". She'd have made him wish he shot himself!

[Cleita]

104. You said it so much better than me.

[Warren Stupidity]

106. +1

[ohheckyeah]

107. Seriously?

Shooting a laptop in some way indicates child abuse? Really? I think people have trouble separating inanimate objects from living beings.

When my husband shoots the groundhog that was collapsing the building it was digging under would that be spousal abuse? I mean, I feel bad for the groundhog.

[Warren Stupidity]

111. this guy is so wacked that he posted a video publicly berating his daughter

and demonstrated just what sort of violence he is capable of if he feels his authority is being challenged.

She posted something on her facebook page complaining about her home situation. He HACKED into her page, found her post, and went publicly apeshit over it.

Yes, this is a huge red flag that this is an abusive situation. No, your groundhog that was damaging your home is not even close to being analogous.

By the way, why are all of you accepting at face value the story Deranged Gun Dad is telling about his daughter?

[ohheckyeah]

137. Why are you assuming that you know

what happened and what his intentions are? Did you read everything that kid ever posted on Facebook? Do you know something about this story that you haven't shared with the rest of us?

Shooting a laptop isn't violent any more than destroying the hard drive with a hammer is.

She blocked her parents from Facebook. She was disrespectful to a woman who helped out in the house in exchange for services as the clinic. She used foul language that was inappropriate for a 15 year old and evidently against the rules of the household. When she blocked her parents it seems reasonable to think that she KNEW she was breaking the rules.

I get that a lot of people here think anyone that owns a gun is deranged but I can assure you my husband isn't deranged. He actually is a very gentle,loving, giving person who hates to shoot even a groundhog that is destroying a $5,000+ building, but we need the building and can't afford to replace it.

Discipline of all kinds, whether it be sitting a child in a corner or grounding them is done because it hurts in some way. That's the nature of discipline.

I don't think destroying a laptop is a huge red flag of any kind.

[justiceischeap]

190. He didn't hack into her page

They had set-up a page for the family dog, which he maintained. The daughter forgot to block that page from her posts. He was updating the page with a photo of the dog when he found the post.

[originalpckelly]

114. It's an implied threat of violence.

This smells of child abuse.

[Snake Alchemist]

198. She sounds devastated.

http://www.litefm.com/pages/news-story.html?feed=421220&article=9744152

[treestar]

179. you may want to look into what is considered child abuse

It doesn't take much these days. Shooting one of her possessions? I'd expect child services to be out there.

[MineralMan]

105. His over-the-top response to his daughter is, well,

over-the-top. I don't approve and it's a waste of a valuable notebook. Donating it to some organization where it would be put to good use would be a better choice, IMO, if he feels he has to do something.

Someday, he'll be sorry his daughter isn't in the house any longer. Oh, well.

[Snake Alchemist]

109. I can't take anything a bread-eating conservate says seriously. nt

[MineralMan]

151. Uh, OK. Why don't we just let that whole thing

drop, OK? That thread is locked and the post is hidden. What's over is over. There's no reason to continue things into other threads, I think.

[Rex]

167. Watch what you say.

nt

[Cleita]

128. I don't often agree with you, but in this I do.

As an elderly person myself I know old people, whose children won't have anything to do with them because of over the top childhood experiences concerning discipline. They still don't understand and think they were loving parents, yet when it comes out in conversation, it appears that they could have used some parenting advice and intervention. Some of them still try to control their adult children with constant criticism and they wonder why they sit home alone at Thanksgiving and Christmas while siblings and relatives get together for celebrations they are excluded from.

[MineralMan]

150. Adolescents can be very difficult to deal

with for parents. That much I know. It takes a lot of thought and more than a little forbearance to get through those years. I speak as a former adolescent, and blush when I remember some of the stupid things I did.

Smart parents, like mine were, think long and hard before doing things when their adolescent children disappoint them.

[IndyJones]

127. I'm not clutching my pearls over this one. We are only hearing one side of the story here

but if what he says is true, then she needs to grow up a bit. Parents do need to step in and teach their kids that 1) what you write on the internet is never really private and 2) if you want priviledges, you have to work for them. It looks like he's reached his limit with her not acting responsibly. As far as shooting the laptop? Hey, it's his to do with what he wants. He paid for it.

[originalpckelly]

133. Hey, why not just let him put a fist through the wall in his house.

He's the one who paid for it anyway, right?

[Cleita]

135. Better than that. Put a stick of dynamite in his house and blow it up.

Hey he could have destroyed the computer along with it that way too. After all, he paid for it all. He can do what he likes to it.

[IndyJones]

138. Okay, if he does that then let us all know.

[originalpckelly]

148. Have you seen the walls in their house?

I have reasonable suspicion to think he'd do that. Why?

The whole shooting the possessions of his kid thing.

[Snake Alchemist]

155. That's quite a leap. nt

[Maine-ah]

188. better a fist through a wall than to a face.

I put mine through the bathroom door. It was the closest inanimate object I could find. Not something I'd do again, but it is mine, and I paid for it. Something I wish my father had done instead of things like, throwing me up against a kitchen wall for not doing the dishes in a timely manner.

[PassingFair]

196. That's sad.

Your choices are violence expressed towards inanimate objects (like walls)
or violence perpetrated against loved ones?

How about working on CONTROL ISSUES, seeing a counselor
that can help you sort through rage issues.

Healthy people do NOT put their fists through walls.
Or key their ex's cars.

It's not a two solution problem.

[Maine-ah]

206. um, yeah because I have tons of anger issues...

lol

I put my fist through a door, once...and you from behind your computer have diagnosed me with anger and control issues, and I must go see a counselor (paging Dr. Frist, paging Dr. Frist...).


Never keyed anyone's car though. Wouldn't have thought of that.

[Kingofalldems]

136. He should have just given the computer to the housekeeper

[IndyJones]

140. If she needed one, that would have been a great idea.

[JNelson6563]

142. He seems like he might be an ok guy

who is on a similar emotional maturity level as his daughter.

Julie

[originalpckelly]

149. No...

I think the daughter may have a few years on this gigantic 5 year old.

[Snake Alchemist]

157. She sounds like she'll make a great member of the 1%.

She knows a person's place.

[Swede]

152. I think the girl should get the fuck away from this bully.

An irrational angry little man with a gun.

[Snake Alchemist]

159. She would miss the comforts of home. nt

[Swede]

162. Not one bit.

Freedom from that fucking asshole bully with a gun.

[Snake Alchemist]

163. You're right. She'd probably be happier in foster care.

Get to meet new people, see new things.

[Swede]

165. Without a bullet in her,happy and alive.

With her whole life to live away from said bully.

[Snake Alchemist]

168. Yep. I'm sure she's calling social services right now. nt

[Swede]

170. I should hope so.

They ought to take the guns away form this asshole,also

[Snake Alchemist]

193. He shouldn't even be able to post stuff like this on the internet. nt

[justiceischeap]

191. Don't forget about the sexual abuse she could look forward to as well.

I mean, a 15 yr old girl in the wrong foster situation... that would make her really happy.

Folks suggesting foster care, courts only place kids in foster care for the most egregious reasons (this not being one of them--at most a judge may make him take anger management courses if CPC got involved) because foster care is NOT a better situation for the majority of kids.

[Snake Alchemist]

192. But maybe they would have internet access. nt

[AnOhioan]

154. Daddy is an asshole....who wanted to show that he was a "real man"..gun and all

[Rex]

166. As long as he is projecting his feelings (bullets) into objects

and not people, I have no problem with it. It IS a little disturbing that he would 'kill' her laptop. I don't think it was a wise move to do what he did and have a feeling there is going to be backlash from his actions for posting it on the Internets.

Maybe he needs to remember that she is still a CHILD and he is an ADULT.

I don't think he did anyone any favors with this video.

[Guy Montag]

181. The idiot should of donated the laptop to an unselfish deserving person, not destroy it

His ego issues show me where his daughter's came from.

I found this disturbing, strange, and the guy seems on the edge of losing it.

[Snake Alchemist]

199. She soulds devastated.

http://www.litefm.com/pages/news-story.html?feed=421220&article=9744152

[randr]

201. This guy is surprised his daughter has anger issues?

[Jennicut]

204. Hmm. who is the better one here? A bratty 15 year old or her nutso Dad?

My parents never had to shoot something to tell me I was being a stuck-up little brat. Most teens act like idiots. How you deal with their behavior says a lot about you, too.

[HuckleB]

209. He posted this on youtube, thus seeking as much attention for himself as possible.

Why does that part of the equation get missed by so many?

The guy is not right in any way, shape or form.

Have we let technology blind us this much?



(Nevermind that the only side of the story we have is his edited version.)

I hope DUers stop and think. This guy is against everything DU supposedly supports.

Sheesh!

[Terra Alta]

212. that's the only good thing about it. nt