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meegbear

(25,438 posts)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 11:49 AM Feb 2012

Beisner: EPA Promoting 'The Lorax' Violates the Separation of Church and State

Back in 2010, the Cornwall Alliance released a 12-part DVD series entitled "Resisting the Green Dragon" featuring a who's who of Religious Right leaders attacking environmentalism and warning that it represents a dire threat to Christianity:



Calvin Beisner, the founder of the Cornwall Alliance, has become the Religious Right's favorite "expert" in fighting any environmental effort and a regular guest on Bryan Fischer's radio program, despite the fact that his scientific credentials appear to be limited to possessing a Ph.D. in Scottish History.

Beisner is now complaining that the Environmental Protection Agency is one of many partners involved in promoting the upcoming film "The Lorax" and that, by doing so, the agency is in "violation of the separation of church and state" because Beisner believes that environmentalism is a religion:

The film adaptation of Dr. Seuss' The Lorax features a tiny, but tenacious creature who "speaks for the trees" and fights industrialism. Cal Beisner, national spokesman for the Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation, says this is just one of many films geared toward children to spread such a message.

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(W)hat really concerns Beisner is the fact that the Environmental Protection Agency is among nearly 70 partners with Universal in promoting the film.

"What you've got there is the mixing of taxpayer dollars into the promotion of a clear ideology that has a particular religious flavor to it," the Cornwall Alliance spokesman concludes. "And frankly, I think that this is a violation of the separation of church and state."


http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/beisner-epa-promoting-lorax-violates-separation-church-and-state

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Beisner: EPA Promoting 'The Lorax' Violates the Separation of Church and State (Original Post) meegbear Feb 2012 OP
oy. nt xchrom Feb 2012 #1
Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation? qb Feb 2012 #2
truly frightening... handmade34 Feb 2012 #3
Sure, why not? Let's divorce everything from scientific evidence and fact. That way NC_Nurse Feb 2012 #4
the problem as I see it... handmade34 Feb 2012 #9
That's the problem... These people see everything as a 'competing religion'. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #5
Come on, the Lorax claimed to speak for the trees! The book totally promotes animism. JVS Feb 2012 #18
Fundamentalist homeschooling insures another generation of fools. JDPriestly Feb 2012 #20
nutty. eShirl Feb 2012 #6
Sounds more like a cornhole alliance izquierdista Feb 2012 #7
What? The new foreign religion we have to fear is Seussianism? baldguy Feb 2012 #8
Now that's a God / Prophet........ Amaril Feb 2012 #17
Wow Aerows Feb 2012 #10
My friend is Winnie The Pooh! You, Lorax. are no Pooh Bear!! Loudmxr Feb 2012 #11
The nutters tried that in court a few years back in northern MN & EPICALLY FAILED Viking12 Feb 2012 #12
It really puzzles me that they view scientific facts as theory, Arkansas Granny Feb 2012 #13
Once again the Christian right proves themselves a black hole for logic and reason. Initech Feb 2012 #14
Their recognition of that separation is as cherry picked as the Old Testament BR_Parkway Feb 2012 #15
I never knew that the leadership...... Amaril Feb 2012 #16
RWers have dreadful fashion sense. Quantess Feb 2012 #19
They do truly fear environmentalism raouldukelives Feb 2012 #21
ttt Blue_Tires Feb 2012 #22

qb

(5,924 posts)
2. Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation?
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 11:56 AM
Feb 2012

I supposed their goal is to have all of creation destroyed just in time for the rapture.

NC_Nurse

(11,646 posts)
4. Sure, why not? Let's divorce everything from scientific evidence and fact. That way
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 12:03 PM
Feb 2012

bullshit religious zealotry doesn't look any crazier than anything else. You gotta give them credit, this is how they manage to bamboozle a lot of folks.

Too bad that living in your own fantasy world doesn't change reality to match. We all get to pay for their refusal to let go of their delusions. Sigh.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
9. the problem as I see it...
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 12:21 PM
Feb 2012

there have always been a few on the fringe... those few have been multipling and it seems to have become more acceptable to espouse nonsensical thoughts and words... you are correct... we are all paying a dear price for this

 

The Doctor.

(17,266 posts)
5. That's the problem... These people see everything as a 'competing religion'.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 12:03 PM
Feb 2012

They don't understand science. They just think it's another 'faith'.

You see it all the time from the AGW deniers when they talk about the 'acolytes of Gore', or 'global warming dogma'. Go on any 'skeptic' site and do a search on religious terms like those and you'll see a theme emerge.

We have to survive this era of fucking stupidity. Hopefully, there will be laws against the idiots having a say in policy decisions.

 

izquierdista

(11,689 posts)
7. Sounds more like a cornhole alliance
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 12:04 PM
Feb 2012

Almost made it to the minute mark before teh stupid overwhelmed me.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
8. What? The new foreign religion we have to fear is Seussianism?
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 12:11 PM
Feb 2012

"There is no God but Geisel and The Cat In The Hat is his prophet."

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
10. Wow
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 12:37 PM
Feb 2012

These nut jobs can make a religious issue of a children's movie. This is like Jerry Falwell's ridiculous crusade against the Tele-Tubbies.

Is there anything they won't turn into a religious issue? Next thing you know, it's going to be "a violation of the separation of church and state" because math is taught in schools and we all know what happens when too much logic gets involved.

Loudmxr

(1,405 posts)
11. My friend is Winnie The Pooh! You, Lorax. are no Pooh Bear!!
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 12:39 PM
Feb 2012

This is soooo silly ... they are cartoon characters.

Lorax is good but Pooh has a Zen.

And several other thing that I thought about at breakfast... but I can't remember them now.

Oh bother... I suppose I will have to go eat breakfast again and remember them again.

(Shhh I really know Jim Cummings, the voice of Pooh. And he really IS!!....Pooh. I love him sooo)

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It takes a little time but I never get tired of this song.

Viking12

(6,012 posts)
12. The nutters tried that in court a few years back in northern MN & EPICALLY FAILED
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 12:44 PM
Feb 2012

They filed suit to block restrictions on timber harvest, claiming that such restrictions were based on "religion" and were a violation of the separation clause. The court threw the argument out almost instantly.

I'll see if I can track the case down...

Arkansas Granny

(31,514 posts)
13. It really puzzles me that they view scientific facts as theory,
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 12:51 PM
Feb 2012

but they consider their book of mythology, written nearly 2000 years ago, as being the sole source of truth.

Initech

(100,061 posts)
14. Once again the Christian right proves themselves a black hole for logic and reason.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 01:24 PM
Feb 2012

Yeah a guy with a Ph.D in Scottish History is somehow an environmental genius.

BR_Parkway

(8,666 posts)
15. Their recognition of that separation is as cherry picked as the Old Testament
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 01:59 PM
Feb 2012

They sure don't want it mentioned when they want to force us all to see the 10 commandments in a courthouse or school or any of those other 'causes' they get themselves so worked up about.

But a fictional character, in a fictional movie, made from a children's book is now a religious figure? Holy Muppets Batman, the crazy is strong with that one for sure

Amaril

(1,267 posts)
16. I never knew that the leadership......
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 02:11 PM
Feb 2012

......over at the EPA were Druids. Good to know.

What's that you say? They AREN'T druids? Well, of course they are..........otherwise his likening of their support for a story that teaches kids the importance of preserving our natural resources and the effect that wholesale exploitation of same has on innumerable lifeforms (ourselves included) to a "religion" is just.....well.......silly.

(said with a beatific smile whilst sipping from my Lorax coffee mug)

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
19. RWers have dreadful fashion sense.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 02:25 PM
Feb 2012

I haven't even watched the video yet but first I must comment on her outfit. If this were the mid-1990s, I would begrudgingly give it a pass...but it was 2010.

An ill-fitting powder blue jacket with a black blouse never looked good on anyone.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
21. They do truly fear environmentalism
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 02:51 PM
Feb 2012

Being puppets for the wealthy they are doing all they can to shift public opinion towards them from what will be ever increasing news stories about the effects of climate change. They are now busy laying the groundwork of denial labeling prognosticators and journalists as Satan's puppets of the liberal media.
Sadly for them this issue knows no party bounds. I have been able to speak to people who years ago belittled any kind of environmentalism as "crazy hippies" but who now clearly see the loss of salmon, the trees dying at an ever increasing rate, the decreasing amounts of fresh water. They see this and they don't want it to get worse. The Masters of the Universe fear this thinking for in it they only see loss of profits.
I keep hoping at some point my party will start to aggressively pursue supporting the environment over personal wealth. I believe it will happen, has to happen, soon. If we want to remember things like redwood forests as more than just pictures on an electronic screen.

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