Please, come right out and say it.

[DearAbby]

This isn't about Abortions...GOP has tipped their hand going after Birth control, (which reduced the need for abortions) this is about controlling women.

They have been exposed. Can we please come right out and say it?

[Aerows]

1. Most of us have been saying it

None of it was ever about abortions, and never has been.

[DearAbby]

3. Well they have tipped their hand

You were right.

[Scootaloo]

4. Well, we KNEW that already; it's just now the rest of the nation does as well

[Aerows]

5. I'm glad many others are realizing it

When people say they want to drag us back into the 50's, they mean the 1250's. They want all women barefoot and pregnant, but they needn't worry - wealthy women have always had access to birth control and abortions, and always will. It's just poor and middle class women that will suffer.

[monmouth]

2. Oh that is exactly what it's about. Same for the Church...n/t

[WingDinger]

6. There is one further aspect.

Demographics. As Oreilly said, White people are not procreating enough, and brown minorities are too much.

Control women, and require the ones in red states to concieve, while allowing minority women in blue states to abort, and you address the demographic problem. Add to this, a hostile environment in red states for minorities, and you will segregate the states for maximum effect.

This may be overt, or more likely subliminal.

[DearAbby]

9. Interesting twist.

and valid.

[MuseRider]

17. Wow, I have taken all my thinking in many ways

but never got to this. Interesting thought. Very interesting thought.

I think I will share this thought. It is a good one.

[WingDinger]

21. When we pushed on the popular vote, it was confirmed.

The red states fear being diluted. They talk about secession. alligators and moats, electrified fences, with warning signs in Spanish. Leaving the poor to die at the first health troubles.

All of this is their fear of the end of white hegemony.

[MuseRider]

22. Sad sad sad

I live in a red state that seems to be getting redder all the time. Odd, do you have statistics for Kansas? I would not be surprised to see some of that but it is not the feeling I get here from people, the state government yes, but the people have been positive for LGBT equality on all but marriage. They have been positive on anti bullying policies in the schools. They do not like bashing of any group of people with the possible exception of undocumented workers and that has been beat into their dopy skulls by the likes of Kobach. Still, the issues are all separate in some minds so it would not surprise me to see a lot of that.

[MuseRider]

7. This should not be a surprise.

Women have been talking about it, shouting about it, screaming about it for years. We saw it coming but for some reason not many took it seriously. Here it is. Can you hear us now?

Thanks DearAbby, you are correct.

[K8-EEE]

8. It's not about either - it's about getting the Catholic vote for the GOP

They couldn't be more obvious, they will INSIST on being "outraged" no matter what. Too bad the Catholic hierarchy never got this outraged about child rape in their own ranks, or ANY of the Catholic dictators for that matter!

[DearAbby]

10. Sure since Obama is for Birth control

naturally the GOP has to be against it. How many Catholics are women?
I don't know any catholic women who never used birth control. Just my personal observation.

this is purely about control.

[EFerrari]

11. If anything, they're mustering Catholics for Obama

since Catholics use birth control.

[K8-EEE]

13. ESPECIALLY LATINOS....they are panicked about losing the Latino vote with the anti-immigrant shit.

This calculated "outrage" is all about reading people letters at church against Obama - and a lot of those letters will be in Spanish despite the "English only" pretensions of the candidates!

[EFerrari]

15. A total waste of time.

Latino voters are pissed at Obama but they feel hated by the Thuggery. Our turnout may be low unless something happens between now and then.

[Tikki]

12. Are women in Catholic families allowed to go into the voting..

booth by themselves to vote?
I am not sure, maybe some women will not vote
for a misogynous cretin like these candidates.


Tikki

[MuseRider]

14. This goes beyond this current election cycle.

I agree that may be the push right now but this is a decades old move that has finally reached this particular end. It won't end here even if they get all they want. It will not end here. We get to vote and do things on our own without male guidance, authority or control. What is next will be worse than this and there will be a political motivation for it too.

It is all about control and politics are used to gain it, more personally the fist and the family and just about anything that can pressure a woman into doing what a male person wants.

We used to think they would never really stop abortions because they would lose that issue but look at them go.

Perhaps it is the day, I am feeling contentious. Sorry.

[Ganja Ninja]

20. If it's about mustering Catholics it's not going to work.

It might work for evangelicals which is what I think this is aimed at but most Catholics are not as fanatical or hypocritical. They've been ignoring the church on birth control for decades. This isn't going to fire them up against Obama and is more likely to back fire on the GOP.

[Cleita]

16. They know what they are doing and they don't care because

they know they can get away with it. Maybe it's time for women to go on the march as the 52% and demand that they stay out of our uteruses unless they never want to get sex again. Yeah, ladies, it's time for a Lysistrata moment.

[Ganja Ninja]

18. This is more about energizing the evangelical base.

The GOP has no other option. They can't run on jobs and the economy. On the surface their best candidate for that is Mitt Romney but he made a fortune dismantling the economy and selling the leftovers to China. That's been made abundantly clear in the primaries and it's the reason his polls are tanking. He has single-handedly destroyed their 2012 strategy just by being there. Evangelicals hate him, everybody hates him.

Newt is the turd in the GOP's punchbowl. He's not going anywhere. Santorum and the evangelicals are all that's left. And make no mistake about it. Rick Santorum is not going to win the Catholic vote.

[Bezukhov]

19. It's not even about contraception. It's about punishing naught women by forcing them to have babies.

[Fix The Stupid]

23. My guess - not about either...

It's an issue made up to keep people occupied...

nothing more, nothing less.

This doesn't alleviate the concerns - I just think this and a lot of other 'issues' aren't even issues at all.

Just kabookie theater to keep us pawns busy...

[Skittles]

32. nope

the GOP has a serious misogyny problem

[WingDinger]

35. Then why do the Bishops intend to pump the jam?

They are going for a pulpit win for conservatives.

[onestepforward]

24. I think it's about control

and a need to feel superior and powerful by suppressing "other" groups which are threatening to them, aka women, minorities, etc. The GOP reminds me of bullies from grade school who have a need to stand on someone else in order to feel tall. It's disgusting.

[DearAbby]

27. +1

Know what/who you are fighting against.

[Warren DeMontague]

39. And if kids always grew up to be exactly what their parents wanted, and never questioned them

this 'strategy' might work.

But I think the fears (or hopes, on their side) that the 'quiverfuls' will take over the world with their clean cut, well-groomed jesus-children are overblown. These people think they have the godless, sinful, sex culture to rebel against. Generation #2 or #3 on their Jesus commune are only going to have them and their stifling, repressive bullshit to rebel against.

The fact of the matter is, society is getting more socially liberal and more progressive all the time. 15 years ago gay marriage was a fringe idea. Now, it's practically an inevitability.

It's not a question of who is breeding and who isn't, it's a question of freer information, more communication, and people generally waking up.

[sarcasmo]

29. The scary thing is after birth control do they go after masturbation?

When does it end, get religion out of my life.

[WingDinger]

34. Already did. Jocelyn Elders was fired, for AGREEING with a statement, that masturbation is a good

substitute to teen unprotected intercourse. She was Van Jonesed. Awesome woman.

[sarcasmo]

50. I know it's good for my prostate, religion is out of control.

[jimlup]

30. Just for discussion...

I think that they are religious nutcases. The side effect is that they "are going after women."

And the worst thing is that is fine by them. Why?

Because they are religious nutcases who don't recognize woman as sentient beings.

[Warren DeMontague]

42. Here's what you get from that, in this video link:

http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2011/12/virgin-diaries-this-is-the-worst-kiss-ever-and-you-have-to-watch-it.html

[Nye Bevan]

33. If it was about abortion, they would be *demanding* free contraception for all.

More contraception means fewer abortions.

[Warren DeMontague]

41. It's nice that you're helpfully trying to warn us about this anti-choice propaganda.

Nevertheless be aware that many people here may not appreciate what they may interpret as a sideways attempt to skirt the rules and deposit said gibberish among us.

My advice to you is to provide a link, if people really want to read that shit in its entirety they can go there.

You may want to keep that in mind. We've had, er, disingenuous posters previously who have tried to use "look what the right wing is saying" as an excuse to post right wing drivel.

[Warren DeMontague]

46. Okay, don't say no one warned you.

People here don't like long-winded posts full of bible-thumping, right wing talking points. They don't. And that is exactly the sort of thing which may be taken in a way that I'm sure you don't intend, since I'm sure your intentions in posting that gibberish -and no, it does NOT need quotes- here are well and good and coming from a progressive place.



Welcome to DU.


ps. I *pray* -and I say that as a stone cold Atheist- that Santorum does get the nomination. He will get his ASS WAXED IN THE GENERAL ELECTION, and the bible-thumpers you're helpfully trying to warn us about can TAKE THAT TO THE BANK.

[ProfessionalLeftist]

38. I've been saying it for YEARS. n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

40. That's right. And I'm THRILLED that they're finally being honest as to what the real agenda is.

Let the American people know exactly what brand of nutjob extremist has taken over the Republican Party.

[Major Hogwash]

43. I think you just did.

And I appreciate it.

[tavalon]

45. Well, yeah, that's the elephant in the room and has been obvious to many of us for a long time.

[existentialist]

48. Yes, in a deper sense I think you are correct, but

I think that in a shallow sense the GOP's motive is simply to pander for votes.

In doing so they have backed the old male dominated hierarchies including the Catholic Church hiearchy (not the majority of Catholics by a stretch) who indeed want to controll women.

And in doing that they have backed the wrong horse, as they will now realise and try to walk it back (and look like fools).

(Those old male dominated hierarchies also includes the GOP itself--which has blinded them.)

[HopeHoops]

49. It's about extra toppings on Dominoes Pizza.

The more women who stay pregnant, the more pizza they can sell.

And yes, the entire GOP issue is about controlling women - and sadly, even the GOP women can't seem to understand that.