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kpete

(71,962 posts)
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 02:16 PM Feb 2012

Santorum: what is "special"-what ought to be kept "special" & what is required to keep sex "special"

SANTORUM: One of the things I will talk about that no president has talked about before is I think the dangers of contraception in this country, the whole sexual libertine idea... It's not okay because it's a license to do things in the sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be. They're supposed to be within marriage, for purposes that are, yes, conjugal... but also procreative.

That's the perfect way that a sexual union should happen. We take any part of that out, we diminish the act. And if you can take one part out that's not for purposes of procreation, that's not one of the reasons, then you diminish this very special bond between men and women, so why can't you take other parts of that out? And all of a sudden, it becomes deconstructed to the point where it's simply pleasure. And that's certainly a part of it--and it's an important part of it, don't get me wrong--but there's a lot of things we do for pleasure, and this is special, and it needs to be seen as special. Again, I know most presidents don't talk about those things, and maybe people don't want us to talk about those things, but I think it's important that you are who you are. I'm not running for preacher.

...........

Ponder the implicit claim he is making: that it is desirable for the President of the United States to opine on and shape public policy according to his notion of what is "special." As he surely knows, what is "special," what ought to be kept "special," and what is required to keep sex "special" are all deeply contested matters. They inevitably turn on judgments shaped by faith, moral reasoning, and intuition. The American people, having wrestled with these questions, have concluded in overwhelming numbers either that contraception doesn't make sex less special - or that if it does make sex less special, the tradeoff (less special sex in return for fewer unwanted pregnancies or abortions or STDs or more pleasure or human connection) is worthwhile.

Any politician who regards the adult use of contraceptives as a matter under his purview cannot lay claim to the limited government label, nor can he credibly invoke a tradition rooted in the pursuit of happiness. And it's baffling that a presidential candidate would survey a world of poets, clergy, cognitive neuro-scientists, novelists, happily married elderly people, and a polity with sexual tastes as diverse of ours, and regard politicians as a useful authority on what kind of sex is special.




http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/rick-santorum-wants-your-sex-life-to-be-special/253104/
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Santorum: what is "special"-what ought to be kept "special" & what is required to keep sex "special" (Original Post) kpete Feb 2012 OP
too much information Enrique Feb 2012 #1
Airdales? aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2012 #9
The more Santorum talks? The less likely he is to be President. FSogol Feb 2012 #2
Yeah seriously. He's the last guy I want running this country. Initech Feb 2012 #7
Someone needs to photoshop a huge black beard and cleric garb on him. Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #10
he needs a very libertine hooker, sex of his choice. What a slab he is. roguevalley Feb 2012 #24
"...how things are supposed to be." Solly Mack Feb 2012 #3
Santorum seems to be a Dominionist. He wants the U.S. to be run based on his particular religion. yardwork Feb 2012 #4
Translation: Tsiyu Feb 2012 #5
lol Doremus Feb 2012 #26
I just can't believe that we have a presidential candidate running against the sexual revolution. Ganja Ninja Feb 2012 #6
Santorum needs to get some ASAP tabbycat31 Feb 2012 #8
We shall now address him as Mullah Santorum Scootaloo Feb 2012 #11
these are the same people who label liberals as anti-personal freedom Johonny Feb 2012 #12
Nor can he lay claim to the label of "sane citizen of hifiguy Feb 2012 #13
Since Santorum believes that each sex act must at least admit the possibility LibertyLover Feb 2012 #14
Exactly!! vankuria Feb 2012 #16
You and I both LibertyLover Feb 2012 #23
I was also born in 1960 Missy Vixen Feb 2012 #27
We can't waste sperm by masturbating or using contraception aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2012 #28
Some questions for Rick Angry Dragon Feb 2012 #15
that barely scratches the surface of Rick's twisted brain waddirum Feb 2012 #35
the more he talks about this warrior1 Feb 2012 #17
oh little ricky, you are talking creepy stalker talk. Javaman Feb 2012 #18
So what are priests doing about their own sexuality? Wanking of course. Then moralizing about it. Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #19
where are the pharmaceutical companies? IcyPeas Feb 2012 #20
well.... guitar man Feb 2012 #21
He needs to mind his own fucking business! Quantess Feb 2012 #22
"I'm not running for preacher" Redstate Bluegirl Feb 2012 #25
Dork! fascisthunter Feb 2012 #29
So when did Dick Santorum become a doctor? LynneSin Feb 2012 #30
Clearly Santorum is running to be "Whack-Job-in Chief" JoePhilly Feb 2012 #31
Man on Dog needs to stop obsessing about sex tavalon Feb 2012 #32
Thank God he'll never be President! nt Lunacee2012 Feb 2012 #33
It's this moral superiority BS that the R's use to justify their immoral behavior... Scuba Feb 2012 #34
It all comes down..... sendero Feb 2012 #36
Sanctimonious Santorum PotatoChip Feb 2012 #37

FSogol

(45,448 posts)
2. The more Santorum talks? The less likely he is to be President.
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 02:20 PM
Feb 2012

He's quickly becoming the American Taliban.

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
10. Someone needs to photoshop a huge black beard and cleric garb on him.
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 03:00 PM
Feb 2012

He seems to be running for Cleric-in-Chief. Guy has some real sexual fantasies going on, in that noggin of his.

Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
3. "...how things are supposed to be."
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 02:22 PM
Feb 2012

Translation:

How I want them to be.
How I demand them to be.
If I'm not comfortable with it, then it can't be.

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
4. Santorum seems to be a Dominionist. He wants the U.S. to be run based on his particular religion.
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 02:23 PM
Feb 2012

Thousands of years of religious wars remind us why this is a bad idea.

If Rick Santorum thinks he gets to decide "how things are supposed to be" then everybody else gets to decide, too, and pretty soon we'll have a big war between whichever religions are vying for control.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
5. Translation:
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 02:31 PM
Feb 2012


"My parents and my church shamed me about my naughty parts.

I am now shaming my own children concerning their naughty parts.

I want to shame ALL of you....... and your naughty parts. "




Santorum needs therapy. NOT a leadership role.








Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
6. I just can't believe that we have a presidential candidate running against the sexual revolution.
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 02:39 PM
Feb 2012

The sexual revolution is 50 years old for crying out loud! Jeez, live in the past much? I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. We've been rehashing the New Deal for the last decade or two and that's almost 80 years old. Talk about not being able to deal with change.

And what is this guy's obsession with other people's sex lives? Aren't Republican's the ones always complaining about the nanny state? He says he's not running for preacher but he sure is preachy.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
8. Santorum needs to get some ASAP
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 02:53 PM
Feb 2012

And I would not be surprised if he secretly is browisng rentboy.com to find the answer to that.

Johonny

(20,818 posts)
12. these are the same people who label liberals as anti-personal freedom
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 03:05 PM
Feb 2012

Yet think how you have sex, how much, and with use or non-use of contraceptives are subjects important enough to legislate. This is the stuff that will creep America out.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
13. Nor can he lay claim to the label of "sane citizen of
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 03:05 PM
Feb 2012

the 21st century." Everytime that medieval asshat opens his piehole he diminishes the sum total of human knowledge.

LibertyLover

(4,788 posts)
14. Since Santorum believes that each sex act must at least admit the possibility
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 03:43 PM
Feb 2012

of conception, I want a certified document from him stating that he and his wife, Karen, are no longer sexually active since she is, having been born in 1960, presumably no longer able to conceive a child.

vankuria

(904 posts)
16. Exactly!!
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 03:55 PM
Feb 2012

I suppose because I am no longer of child bearing age and procreation is not a possibility, my husband and I should no longer engage in as he puts it "recreational" sex.

LibertyLover

(4,788 posts)
23. You and I both
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 05:35 PM
Feb 2012

and worse, my husband had a vasectomy during his first marriage, so even when I was of childbearing age, none of our, um, "acts" could produce a child. We had to adopt our little girl in order to have a family. I guess I'd better tell my husband that we can't, ah, be intimate anymore if Santorum becomes president (you know, I think I feel a bit sick to my stomach just typing those words).

Missy Vixen

(16,207 posts)
27. I was also born in 1960
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 06:10 PM
Feb 2012

It seems we already have the answer to the question: The Santorums don't have sex. They haven't had it for quite some time now, if menopausal symptoms started before Mrs. Santorum turned 50.

We have identified his problem. He believes sex for pleasure is sinful and wrong. I'm willing to bet there's an even bigger problem, namely the fact he has desires he can't act upon.

Let's hope there's a journalist somewhere with a strong stomach, and the will to discover and print the truth.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
28. We can't waste sperm by masturbating or using contraception
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 06:17 PM
Feb 2012

Wasting sperm is a sin. The thing is, sperm is constantly being made by the body, 24 hours a day and then lost. So I hope Rick and his wife realize that and engage in 24 hour a day non-stop intercourse wherever they go, permanently coupled to each other and seeking non-stop ejaculations. Otherwise, Ricky is sinfully wasting sperm.

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
15. Some questions for Rick
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 03:53 PM
Feb 2012

How do you feel about your wife living with a guy for many years, having sex with him, without the benefit of marriage??

Did she use birth control during this time??

Did you and your wife have sex before marriage??

Have you and your wife ever use birth control??

These are fair questions because Rick brought them up for everyone else..........

waddirum

(979 posts)
35. that barely scratches the surface of Rick's twisted brain
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 07:16 AM
Feb 2012

Rick... how do you feel about your wife fucking the OB-GYN abortionist who originally delivered her?

Javaman

(62,503 posts)
18. oh little ricky, you are talking creepy stalker talk.
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 04:16 PM
Feb 2012

but as I am a Democrat, please, keep talking. Only you thinks it will help. LOL

Brettongarcia

(2,262 posts)
19. So what are priests doing about their own sexuality? Wanking of course. Then moralizing about it.
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 04:28 PM
Feb 2012

Undoubtedly

So? The whole conservative Catholic position on sex is hypocritical. Especially? The priests

IcyPeas

(21,841 posts)
20. where are the pharmaceutical companies?
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 04:28 PM
Feb 2012

They don't want this to happen - I wonder how much money they make on contraceptives, how much the condom makers make. must be millions... billions...

whose campaign are they contributing to I wonder.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
22. He needs to mind his own fucking business!
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 05:24 PM
Feb 2012

I'll tell you what.

Santorum needs to get the hell out of other people's crotches, immediately. There is no way I'm going to let that creep play referee in America's bedrooms.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
30. So when did Dick Santorum become a doctor?
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 06:25 PM
Feb 2012

Not every woman who uses birth control uses it because they are having sex.

Stay the FUCK out of my reproductive organs and maybe one day I'll stop calling you DICK

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
34. It's this moral superiority BS that the R's use to justify their immoral behavior...
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 06:08 AM
Feb 2012

... like voter suppression and election fraud.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
36. It all comes down.....
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 07:47 AM
Feb 2012

.... to guilt about sex with these people. Try as I might, I will never understand these idiots. And for the record, sex IS special whether you are trying to procreate or not.

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