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kpete

(71,984 posts)
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 02:02 PM Feb 2012

What Planet Is Santorum From: “The Earth is not the objective, man is the objective"

ebruary 19, 2012, 11:36 AM
Santorum Defends Comments on Obama and Education
By THE NEW YORK TIMES

Rick Santorum on Sunday tried to clarify his comment that President Obama subscribed to a “phony ideology,” saying he was referring not to the president’s faith but to his view of man’s relationship to the world.

“I wasn’t suggesting that the president’s not a Christian,” he said with a laugh on CBS’s “Face the Nation.”

But he suggested that anyone who believes that the protection of natural resources is more important than satisfying man’s needs – and man, he said, could be a “good steward” of the Earth — was pursuing “a phony ideal.”

“The Earth is not the objective, man is the objective, and I think that a lot of radical environmentalists have it upside down,” Mr. Santorum said.

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http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/santorum-defends-comments-on-obama-and-education/

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What Planet Is Santorum From: “The Earth is not the objective, man is the objective" (Original Post) kpete Feb 2012 OP
Santorum hails from the planet Frothtopia. Frothtopia has two moons, Lubrica and Fecalis. 11 Bravo Feb 2012 #1
I thought he came from Uranus. -nt Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #10
What does that even mean? Mz Pip Feb 2012 #2
The media fuckheads let him get away with that? BootinUp Feb 2012 #3
What an ass. Denninmi Feb 2012 #4
If we arent "good stewards" of the Earth there wont be an Earth left to "satisy man's needs". DCBob Feb 2012 #5
And once we destroy the planet nobodyspecial Feb 2012 #6
Keep feeding the Beast you idiot. Rex Feb 2012 #7
He's a hardcore fundie XemaSab Feb 2012 #8
what part of dust to dust, ashes to ashes does the man NOT understand? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #9
His comments reveal a bibical bent,.,.,.lhe doesn't realize the mission of the President is far off opihimoimoi Feb 2012 #11
This guy is down right scary. airplaneman Feb 2012 #12
oops FirstLight Feb 2012 #13
I was thinking of this one BootinUp Feb 2012 #32
"Man" is a flash-in-the-pan minor species eating it's host. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #14
I don't disagree with him hfojvt Feb 2012 #15
You sound like LuvLoogie Feb 2012 #21
...Sorta like Eric Cantor. LuvLoogie Feb 2012 #23
What makes you more important than a tree?? Angry Dragon Feb 2012 #24
The last place a species may exist is more important than a parking lot. alphafemale Feb 2012 #28
I LOVE Zelazny! But I think you miss the point. NashvilleLefty Feb 2012 #31
Nothing new here, right? BadgerKid Feb 2012 #16
"And on the sixth day, God said, 'Just fuck up my last five days of work any way you want.'" HopeHoops Feb 2012 #17
Duzy! PADemD Feb 2012 #33
Well, that ain't what G-d said.... lukkadairish Feb 2012 #18
His 'explaination' certainly did'nt explain why he was questioning Obama's faith. lumpy Feb 2012 #19
Biblically, everything on earth is here for man. Santorum sees no problem raping the earth... renie408 Feb 2012 #20
FACTS ....FACTS........... FACTS Angry Dragon Feb 2012 #22
Man and his environment do not necessarily have LuvNewcastle Feb 2012 #25
It occurs to me that this bozo was not elite enough for the C Street Gang so Skidmore Feb 2012 #26
"I wasn't suggesting that Obama wasn't a Christian" mick063 Feb 2012 #27
Hey Ricky ... the Earth IS man's need! BattyDem Feb 2012 #29
aw, most of the claims for human uniqueness and near-divinity are just ripped off from Cicero & Pico MisterP Feb 2012 #30

Mz Pip

(27,439 posts)
2. What does that even mean?
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 02:05 PM
Feb 2012

It sound like babble to me. Man isn't going to last indefinitely if we don't pay attention to what we are doing to the planet. It's not either/or.

BootinUp

(47,139 posts)
3. The media fuckheads let him get away with that?
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 02:07 PM
Feb 2012

Sure... thats what he meant. It was about environmentalists.

Denninmi

(6,581 posts)
4. What an ass.
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 02:08 PM
Feb 2012

If someone told him there were only a handful of critically endangered species X left, he'd probably want to go hunt them for his trophy wall.

Yeah, try ignoring the ecosystem and environmental some more and see how humanity fares. I think we're probably already on the verge of an "extinction level" environmental crisis.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
5. If we arent "good stewards" of the Earth there wont be an Earth left to "satisy man's needs".
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 02:08 PM
Feb 2012

What a moron.

nobodyspecial

(2,286 posts)
6. And once we destroy the planet
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 02:08 PM
Feb 2012

what will man do? Environmentalists are the ones with the long-term objectives in mind.

opihimoimoi

(52,426 posts)
11. His comments reveal a bibical bent,.,.,.lhe doesn't realize the mission of the President is far off
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 02:22 PM
Feb 2012

course from that aspect..

The Oval office requires much more than "...Man is the Objective.".;..

He reeks of ineptness....too widdle too late...not ready for prime time....poor choice...

airplaneman

(1,239 posts)
12. This guy is down right scary.
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 02:30 PM
Feb 2012

I believe this Earth is for all the living things on it. I have compassion for all living animals and plants including humans. It is my dream that we will value human life before money and compassionalely help each other in the path of life with tolerance and ignorance fee. We need to get back closer to the earth and value the simple things and care about our environment in all its majestic forms. That include caring about global warming. I expect Santorum to say next the sun revolves around the Earth, that he will not fix any injustice as Jesus is coming and will do that. He is clearlyl another pawn for the rich 1%. I am discusted with this guy and the GOP in gereral. May they all be voted out forever.
-Airplane

FirstLight

(13,360 posts)
13. oops
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 02:35 PM
Feb 2012

he slipped up...let his true alien self show! "man is the objective"...to subdue and assimilate them for their evil use!

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
14. "Man" is a flash-in-the-pan minor species eating it's host.
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 02:36 PM
Feb 2012

Whereas, the poor, dumb, innocuous, sponge has been around for about 630 million years and will probably still be thriving long after our brief stay here is complete.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
15. I don't disagree with him
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 02:36 PM
Feb 2012

let me quote one of my favorite short stories ever "For a breath I tarry" by Roger Zelazny, from the collection "The Last Defender of Camelot" (the title story of which was made into an episode of the New Twilight Zone)

The story is about a post apocalyptic world. Humanity has been wiped out, but self-replicating machines remain on earth. One is Solcom, a satellite based computer. When Solcom was damaged, Divcom, the earth based back-up was activated. Then Solcom repaired itself, but Divcom refused to de-activate and the two operate as adversaries. Frost, is the machine what runs the northern hemisphere under Solcom. Frost begines to study humanity, and then develops a plan to clone a human and transfer "his" awareness into it. Solcom gets nervous about this, and they argue...

Solcom continues ..,.

"Frost, you are now fallen from my favor. From this moment forth, you are cast out from the rebuilding. None may question the plan."

"Then at least answer my questions: What good is it? What is it for?

"It is the plan for rebuilding and maintenance of the Earth."

"For what? Why rebuild? Why maintain?"

"Because Man ordered that this be done. Even the Alternate agrees that there must be rebuilding and maintaining."

"But why did Man order it?"

"The orders of Man are not to be questioned."

"Well, I will tell you why He ordered it: To make it a fit habitation for his own species."



Some there are on the left, who would make snail darters more important than people. Who would make trees and rocks more important than people. I had a neighbor tell me that humanity could become extinct and the earth would keep right on going, like that was somehow profound, or meant that the human race did not matter, or should not matter, even to ourselves, that Mother Nature was primary.

Not me, I would put humanity first. Mother Nature only matters to me, because people need a functioning biosphere to survive.

LuvLoogie

(6,991 posts)
21. You sound like
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 03:01 PM
Feb 2012

You sound like the teenage sociopath who kills his mother for the money in her purse so he can buy a new xbox game.

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
24. What makes you more important than a tree??
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 03:08 PM
Feb 2012

If god created everything why is it okay to destroy creations of god??

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
28. The last place a species may exist is more important than a parking lot.
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 05:01 PM
Feb 2012

This planet existed for eons before we showed up.

It will continue for eons after we are a bad memory.

NashvilleLefty

(811 posts)
31. I LOVE Zelazny! But I think you miss the point.
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 06:16 PM
Feb 2012

I agree that we should put humanity first, just because I'm human. However, there is much we don't understand and will never understand about the delicate eco-balance that allows this functioning bio-sphere. You say that some people "who would make snail darters more important than people. Who would make trees and rocks more important than people." That is not true. In most cases we are talking about a short-term convenience vs. the existence of a species - whose importance to our own survival is unkown to us.

I refer you to John Donnes's Meditation XVII, "No man is an island...."

Everything we do has consequences.

BadgerKid

(4,550 posts)
16. Nothing new here, right?
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 02:39 PM
Feb 2012

The conservative view of "man is the objective" translates to "I (or we) are the objective":

He who has the most wins.
Beat before being beaten.
You're either with us or against us.
To get control of people, control the resources on which they depend.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
17. "And on the sixth day, God said, 'Just fuck up my last five days of work any way you want.'"
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 02:41 PM
Feb 2012

I'd say "Jesus H. Fucking Christ", but Mr. Frothy would take that as serious.

lukkadairish

(122 posts)
18. Well, that ain't what G-d said....
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 02:48 PM
Feb 2012

"You shall not pollute the land in which you live.... You shall not defile the land in which you live, in which I also dwell; for I the LORD dwell among the Israelites." (Numbers 35:33-34)

Seems that he is the upside down dude

lumpy

(13,704 posts)
19. His 'explaination' certainly did'nt explain why he was questioning Obama's faith.
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 02:48 PM
Feb 2012

Clearly Santorum is an unbalanced zealot since he has the audacity to question anyone's faith or social position. I think he is a dangerous person, bordering on megalomania; no way should he be in a decision making or leadership position.

renie408

(9,854 posts)
20. Biblically, everything on earth is here for man. Santorum sees no problem raping the earth...
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 02:51 PM
Feb 2012

just like he sees no problem with the rape of women...it's all just a gift from God.

LuvNewcastle

(16,844 posts)
25. Man and his environment do not necessarily have
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 03:20 PM
Feb 2012

an adversarial relationship. The goal of environmentalists is not to favor the needs of the planet over the needs of man, it is to find ways for each to complement the other.

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
27. "I wasn't suggesting that Obama wasn't a Christian"
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 04:44 PM
Feb 2012

Really? Could have fooled me.

The earth is too far gone to save unless population pressures are brought under control.

One brilliant way to tackle that problem is to use an asprin between the knees of females.

Another in a long line of brilliant "man first" ideas.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
30. aw, most of the claims for human uniqueness and near-divinity are just ripped off from Cicero & Pico
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 06:06 PM
Feb 2012
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