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proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 08:47 PM Feb 2012

‘You are so smart…why did you become a teacher?’

This was written by Carol Corbett Burris, principal of South Side High School in New York. She was named the 2010 New York State Outstanding Educator by the School Administrators Association of New York State. She is one of the co-authors of the principals’ letter against evaluating teachers by student test scores, which has been signed by nearly 1,400 New York principals.


By Carol Corbett Burris

The best part of my day is before the first bell rings. I get to spend time in the halls and cafeteria with our students. I have spent over two decades of my professional life among teenagers, and I must confess each year I enjoy them more. They have a perspective that is insightful and clear, and they are always on the watch for what is fair and what is not, especially when it comes to rules.

This past week, I read “the evaluation deal” between NYSUT (the New York teachers union) and the State Education Department. I was surprised, and I was angry. I was particularly struck by the lack of logic and fairness in the rules of the deal. And so to gain some perspective (and to lower my blood pressure) I went to the cafeteria at lunchtime and sat with some kids.

I bought some bags of chips and put them on the table and told them I wanted input on grading, a subject near and dear to their hearts. The first scenario I gave them was this….

more . . . http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/you-are-so-smartwhy-did-you-become-a-teacher/2012/02/19/gIQA2vBNNR_blog.html#pagebreak

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‘You are so smart…why did you become a teacher?’ (Original Post) proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 OP
South Side was MY high school!!! elleng Feb 2012 #1
She sounds like a great principal. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #4
Was a great school, elleng Feb 2012 #5
But the teacher's unions hammered this out msanthrope Feb 2012 #2
An 'administrator's union representative???' elleng Feb 2012 #3
I did. This is a principal, right? msanthrope Feb 2012 #7
'The lack of logic and fairness in the rules of the deal' not good enough for you? elleng Feb 2012 #8
Your link does not lead to any of your quotes. msanthrope Feb 2012 #9
The 'standards' are not better at least elleng Feb 2012 #11
‘You are so smart…why did you become a teacher?’ ashling Feb 2012 #6
thanks! here: Gabi Hayes Feb 2012 #10
I met him at SOS! proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #12

elleng

(130,641 posts)
1. South Side was MY high school!!!
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 08:56 PM
Feb 2012

Attending X0 graduation anniversary in September, visiting classmates this summer.
Those were the days and that was the place, FINE public education!

elleng

(130,641 posts)
5. Was a great school,
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 09:17 PM
Feb 2012

and continues to receive 'outstanding' evaluations.
Our principal was pretty good, and teachers excellent. Fortunately they didn't have to go through the stuff of today.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
2. But the teacher's unions hammered this out
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 09:08 PM
Feb 2012

and support it. I am surprised you are quoting an administrator's union representative to critique a teacher's union settlement. From the new york times link in your OP the largest teacher's union in the state supported this.

I think that giving principals 4 options of competency levels is better than giving them merely 2. Granted, the principals may have to do more work. But I think that work is to the benefit of the students.

















 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
7. I did. This is a principal, right?
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 12:30 AM
Feb 2012

In NYC/NYS the principals and other administrators have a different union from the teachers.

If she isn't a union rep then why is her opinion on a union-brokered deal relevant?

On edit--granted,this is more work for this principal, but isn't that a good thing?








elleng

(130,641 posts)
8. 'The lack of logic and fairness in the rules of the deal' not good enough for you?
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 12:52 AM
Feb 2012
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/putting-new-yorks-testing-program-on-trial/2012/01/08/gIQAZGEHkP_blog.html

'I am describing the future — one in which children lose great teachers. The reason the above “band” system is so flawed is because of the obsession of Albany with test scores.

Our state’s rule-makers wanted to design a system in which the teachers whose students’ scores are in the lowest ten percent could under no circumstances be anything other than ineffective. It created a ludicrous system where teachers who are effective across the board can be rated ineffective overall.

This was recognized by the August 2011 decision of Justice Michael Lynch, who wisely noted that the scoring ranges for the four categories were invalid, because the ranges did not allow the 60-point category to have meaningful impact in the final score. He noted also that these ranges would rate a teacher “ineffective” solely on the basis of student achievement. The judge understood what NYSUT and the State Education Department cannot — test scores should never trump all. Yet in the agreement, NYSUT caved, condemning our schools to become joyless, test-prep factories.'

'This principal' does plenty of work, it appears.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
9. Your link does not lead to any of your quotes.
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 01:09 AM
Feb 2012

I've no doubt this principal is a good worker..just trying to understand what
in hell is wrong with better standards supported by the teacher's union?








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elleng

(130,641 posts)
11. The 'standards' are not better at least
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 01:48 AM
Feb 2012

because they are not properly measured.

Link is provided in the OP article, by Principal Burris: 'by the lack of logic'

Lengthy quote is from Principal Burris' article, and describes why the agreement is bad. Among other things, 'Our state’s rule-makers wanted to design a system in which the teachers whose students’ scores are in the lowest ten percent could under no circumstances be anything other than ineffective. It created a ludicrous system where teachers who are effective across the board can be rated ineffective overall.'

I have no idea why the teachers' union supported it.

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