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AFP - The world's first "test-tube" meat, a hamburger made from a cow's stem cells, will be produced this fall, Dutch scientist Mark Post told a major science conference on Sunday.
Post's aim is to invent an efficient way to produce skeletal muscle tissue in a laboratory that exactly mimics meat, and eventually replace the entire meat-animal industry.
The ingredients for his first burger are "still in a laboratory phase," he said, but by fall "we have committed ourselves to make a couple of thousand of small tissues, and then assemble them into a hamburger."
Post, chair of physiology at Maastricht University in the Netherlands, said his project is funded with 250,000 euros from an anonymous private investor motivated by "care for the environment, food for the world, and interest in life-transforming technologies."
http://www.france24.com/en/20120220-first-test-tube-hamburger-ready-fall-researchers
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I mean, people opposed to factory farming ought to get behind this.
surrealAmerican
(11,357 posts)... but it appears to be a long way away.
TheMadMonk
(6,187 posts)Zalatix
(8,994 posts)Warning. Open at your own risk. Be prepared to be horrified but also informed.
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/06/hormel-spam-pig-brains-disease
jsmirman
(4,507 posts)but I thought I'd spare everyone.
The gluey, slush-like death gray-colored foam is about as repulsive as anything I could imagine. The ABC News story in Minnesota was shockingly repulsive to me and I've seen a few things that are hard to see. And lest anyone think that is some sort of crackpot story, Big Ag is paying University of Minnesota scientists to somehow solve their shit foam problem. Indicating that it is real, very real.
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Lab-grown meat has huge potential. People are going to want to eat meat, no matter what the proven down sides in terms of animal cruelty, environmental degradation, disease (E coli, prions, etc), and its risks or benefits to their health.
The general principle of harm reduction requires this. Real muscle tissue grown apart from actual living animals and processed as food under laboratory-controlled, sanitary conditions would be a good thing.
As a long-time but not life-time vegetarian, I even find myself a little wistful about the possibility of a bit of London broil again someday....
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Zalatix
(8,994 posts)Recycling feces into proteins is probably going to be a necessity for first-generation interplanetary space travel, until they come up with a better solution. You won't be raising cows in space, or growing beans.
If we're LUCKY, they'll find a way to make a sustainable supply of test tube hamburgers to eat in space.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Though it's certainly going to be a loooooong time before you'll be able to head to your friendly neighborhood burger joint and pick up a vat-meat burger that's edible and cheap.
And I'm certain the first few attempts that make contact with a human mouth will taste indescribably nasty.
Still, this is a worthy project, and I hope it sees eventual success.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)I know it's a good idea but I can't get past the yuck factor. It's not logical, it's more of a reflex reaction.
jsmirman
(4,507 posts)if you didn't actively fight against knowing anything about where it comes from.
This is not limited to the suffering animals endure in these factories (they are factories - not farms) but also extends to the utterly disgusting and frequently unsafe nature of factories that care much more about profit than your health. To say factory farms are gross is one hell of an understatement.
Initech
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Liquorice
(2,066 posts)change the world. I've been hoping for this news for some time and am so glad to see that they are making so much progress. I think in the future people will eat this "cultured meat," because it will be cheaper, taste identical, and will not harm the environment, not to mention that no animals will be killed to get it.
joshcryer
(62,266 posts)The meat produced by these processes can arguably be even better than even "organic" meat.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)A lot better for the environment, too!
quakerboy
(13,916 posts)its still an animal product.
jsmirman
(4,507 posts)I would assume it would depend on one's motivation for being a vegan or vegetarian.
And exactly how the whole thing works. From what I understand, folks like me who are doing it for ethical/humane reasons certainly could eat the stuff.
quakerboy
(13,916 posts)As a carnivore, I would love to convert my meat intake to a grown product that could genuinely reproduce the nutrition, flavor, and texture of meat without having to raise and kill an animal. I wasn't sure that Vegan/vegetarians would agree that this step would be far enough to make it ok.
If I were a vegan, I would still have some questions about this product. I suppose it would bring in some questions about definitions. The dictionary has vegan as "vegetarian who omits all animal products from the diet". I guess some would say its not an animal product, and others might say it is. I suppose its in how technical you get on that point. Certaintly, it seems to offer a meat product without harm to animals, which is very attractive
I'm not sure it would address concerns about sustainability, for those who find that to be a high priority. Nor those who's concerns are health related. Nor for the fashionably vegan, or the "I don't like the taste" crowd.
I wonder how far this could be extended. If they can vat grow burger, maybe they can do steak. And if they can do steak, maybe leather without animals or synthetics made of oil. Down for pillows, without having to sort out the pokey feathers. Fur. Who knows. Its a field with a lot of promise. Hopefully it will all play out for good. Plains, forests and mountains covered by wild animals, a few labs powered by solar panels growing our food and products, less reliance on oil, etc. Its a nice dream.
jsmirman
(4,507 posts)it really depends on a person's reasons for being a vegan/vegetarian.
Many people do it for health reasons - there may be no change for this population.
Some do it, for, as you say, sustainability reasons. I would think this would very much address these concerns. Factory farming is incredibly damaging to the environment - manure disposal systems are inadequate, unsuccessful, are so unholy as to have produced exploding pig shit foam, and are generally environmental ticking time bombs (they leak). Factory farmed animals consume huge quantities of crops, most of which are lost to excretion. The same area of land or volume of crops can feed many more people when consumed directly (vegans/vegetarians) than can be fed when strained through a pig or cow. Meat in a test tube is unlikely to require constant feeding... Even the fossil fuels used for transportation of factory farmed products, as you hint at, should be cut down. Because the geographical constraints on a lab are not the same as the constraints on where you can set up a factory farm.
People who are vegan/vegetarian for fashionable reasons - you know, the truth is that I thought lots of those existed, but since I've gone vegetarian, I don't think I've met a one. If they do exist, I generally just am glad they are eating that way, and move along.
I think a huge percentage of vegans and vegetarians have a more straightforward goal: the attempt to not contribute to animal suffering.
And what I see described - now depending on how it plays out - really seems like something that would entirely, or almost entirely, cut out animal suffering. It's not that there are animal products involved that many of us object to. It's the suffering that the animals involved would have gone through to feed us. I pointed out in another post what a stunning percentage of the pig (around 70%), cow (around 80%), and chicken (a few more players, but among those ten, 75%) markets are dominated by a few factory farming players. You eat those things, by and large, you're eating cruelty.
So what I'm getting at here is that for people like myself, definitions are the last damn thing I am concerned with. Nothing suffered and not a single animal was killed for this meal? Let's eat. Animals stuck in intolerable conditions that you and I couldn't handle for even a few hours, killed in a terrifying, inhumane manner, living in filthy conditions, producing a dangerous product - no thank you.
I hope that gives you some perspective. I'm by no means an expert, having only been a vegetarian for 3 plus years. But yes, I think if this worked out well, it could be very promising.
jsmirman
(4,507 posts)(I just wrote an article about this for my school's weekly)
there are plenty of ways to get the nutrition you are looking for - in mma, the Diaz brothers, Mac Danzig, Jake Shields, Jon Fitch, a few others are vegan/vegetarian. Diaz gets in trouble for loving weed, but he's one of the top fighters and no one has better cardio, and he's almost entirely vegan (and he's vegetarian, as to the rest).
Tony Gonzalez, future NFL hall of famer, is a vegetarian. There are vegan bodybuilders and triathletes.
As for the taste, there are two products that, as someone who loved meat, I recommend trying. Gardein Beefless Tips and Field Roast (line of) (vegan) Sausages are incredible. Even my cat cadged some of the last Field Roast Sausages I cooked up - and he demolished the bits I gave him. Quite simply, they taste like the products they mimic. There are revolting efforts at mimicry. It's a totally different world of that stuff than it was five, ten years ago, and there are many more products that would shock you with how close they are. I've had lousy vegan pizza, but zpizza makes a mean vegan pizza with vegan sausage crumbles. I actually like seitan.
If you're in DC, go to Java Green in Foggy Bottom and try the Chicken Java - it will blow your mind.
I still remember what meat tastes like, and you don't have to wait for this test tube stuff to make some alterations. Hope that is useful information.
Speck Tater
(10,618 posts)quaker bill
(8,224 posts)in labor, energy, and net harm to the environment will be far greater than just raising a cow properly.
MadHound
(34,179 posts)Pound for pound, more than raising a cow I would guess.
Furthermore, there are always going to be cattle around, since organic farmers use them as part of their crop rotation. Manure is a wonderful fertilizer.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,268 posts)Energy that goes into growing cattle involves growing all the rest of the animal, and keeping it alive for a year or two at least. This way concentrates on the muscle.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)for the crew.... this is a good thing.