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"Freedom isnt to do whatever you want to do, it's to do what you ought to do" -- Rick Santorum (Original Post) trumad Feb 2012 OP
oh God imagine him as president Enrique Feb 2012 #1
I agree; no problem with this. elleng Feb 2012 #2
The freedom to do what Santorum says should be enshrined in the Constitution. Morning Dew Feb 2012 #3
"Some freedoms should be limited" Politicalboi Feb 2012 #4
sounds very much like Sharia law G_j Feb 2012 #5
Freedom, Ricky, SomethingFishy Feb 2012 #6
Great post trumad Feb 2012 #16
Stick a sock in it you little worm, you! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #7
Then why doesn't he follow his own words?? Angry Dragon Feb 2012 #8
what I suspect some people might miss about Rick Santorum is that his views are Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #9
What he meant to say was "it's to do what I THINK you ought to do." 11 Bravo Feb 2012 #10
Not according to the dictionary. Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #11
And I thought Dubya could say some stupid stuff. NutmegYankee Feb 2012 #12
"And I will decide what it is you ought to do" Motown_Johnny Feb 2012 #13
As decided by people who want you to do as they say. Ganja Ninja Feb 2012 #14
That's brilliant! usregimechange Feb 2012 #15
IMO "what you ought to do" is the opposite of freedom. bayareamike Feb 2012 #17
everyone is perfectly free to d_r Feb 2012 #18
Well, I think people who don't want to have babies ought to have easy access to contraception. tanyev Feb 2012 #19
No, he got it wrong. IrishEyes Feb 2012 #20
Santorum shows his true colors on individual freedom donaldnewm Feb 2012 #21
Guess who tells you what you ought to do...... tabasco Feb 2012 #22

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
1. oh God imagine him as president
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 02:50 PM
Feb 2012

four years of this asshole giving sermons instead of running the country.

elleng

(130,822 posts)
2. I agree; no problem with this.
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 02:52 PM
Feb 2012

'Its a free country' is something we said in the playground, when I was a kid.
Freedom enables us to do many things; it should encourage us to learn what is the right thing to do and what ISN'T right/ok; ask the question.
What others think we 'ought to do' is always open for discussion.

Morning Dew

(6,539 posts)
3. The freedom to do what Santorum says should be enshrined in the Constitution.
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 02:55 PM
Feb 2012

Everyone ought to agree with this.




SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
6. Freedom, Ricky,
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:02 PM
Feb 2012

was given to you by people much better, smarter, and tougher than you will ever be.

As I look at the three folded flags on my mantel and think about the men they represent, men with actual courage and brains, it disgusts me to think that those men gave their lives so a fucking clown like you could pretend that you have a prayer of getting elected.
My father and my grandfather did not give their lives so you could bash gays or attack women. They didn't give their lives so you could berate liberals, so you could rant against schools and sciences. They didn't die on the battlefield so you could tell me how I am supposed to live.

If you had one fucking iota of what freedom really meant, you'd have never entered the race to begin with.

Rick Santorum, YOU DO NOT STAND FOR FREEDOM. You are a chickenhawk. You will always be a chickenhawk. You aren't fit to shine my dads fucking shoes. Whatever you think freedom is, you are damn lucky there are better men than you out there who had the courage to die for it instead of corrupting it.

And that you little weasel, comes from the mouth of a pacifist who has seen what the real "cost" of freedom is.

SammyWinstonJack

(44,130 posts)
7. Stick a sock in it you little worm, you!
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:03 PM
Feb 2012

I am sick of reading what this asshole think everyone should do/say/think/feel.... etc.

STFU already you sanctimonious little shit!


Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
9. what I suspect some people might miss about Rick Santorum is that his views are
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:09 PM
Feb 2012

very, very much normal - to the point of cliché among most American fundamentalist Christians. If they are a large enough force for him to win the GOP nomination - all this crazy talk will only help him. He truly is speaking their language like no candidate including George W., Sarah Palin or even Michelle Bachmann has ever done before - so publicly and so unabashedly. If he does pull off a win in Michigan next week - they will truly be in ecstasy.

Uncle Joe

(58,328 posts)
11. Not according to the dictionary.
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:19 PM
Feb 2012
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/freedom

"free·dom   /ˈfridəm/ Show Spelled[free-duhm] Show IPA
noun
1. the state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint: He won his freedom after a retrial.
2. exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc.
3. the power to determine action without restraint.
4. political or national independence.
5. personal liberty, as opposed to bondage or slavery: a slave who bought his freedom."

I believe what Santorum is really talking about is "responsibility" that's a good word too, : The President's responsibility as per his or her oath is to uphold and defend the Constitution and not the Bible.

Here's part of the Constitution.

Article I.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Thanks for the thread, trumad.

bayareamike

(602 posts)
17. IMO "what you ought to do" is the opposite of freedom.
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:43 PM
Feb 2012

The "ought" implies some sort of social construct that coerces one to act in a certain way. From Santorum's point of view, that construct is religion. His statement is nonsensical.

Of course that's just my two cents

tanyev

(42,540 posts)
19. Well, I think people who don't want to have babies ought to have easy access to contraception.
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 05:27 PM
Feb 2012

So there.

donaldnewm

(1 post)
21. Santorum shows his true colors on individual freedom
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 05:39 PM
Feb 2012

Santorum's "freedom isn't to do whatever you want to do, it's to do what you ought to do" reveals even more clearly his profound opposition to individual freedom. His ideology reflects far more the ideologies of Jean Jacques Rousseau, Karl Marx, the Church, and radical movements, than it does the belief systems of John Locke, John Stuart Mill, and the Founding Fathers. In the Anglo-American tradition, freedom usually has meant the absence of external restraint, and is only one value to be balanced with other values. The Continental philosophy seeks to meld freedom and morality so that an individual is only truly free when he or she is acting consistent with the values of the institution, be it State or Church or Party. Recall Rousseau's "forced to be free." And revisit Isaiah Berlin's Two Concepts of Liberty.

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