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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 07:00 AM Aug 2013

Pennies at the Register, Dollars in the Paycheck

http://www.nationofchange.org/pennies-register-dollars-paycheck-1375538245

You know the boilerplate argument against higher wages in America, because you've heard it so many times from Fox News' and CNBC pundits. But as service industry workers now mount protests against poverty-level pay and as the Associated Press reports that "four out of 5 U.S. adults struggle with joblessness, near-poverty or reliance on welfare," it is worth reviewing the blowhard's case for low wages one more time — just to see whether it even makes sense.

The three tiered argument goes like this: 1) Higher wages for workers create higher costs for corporations; 2) corporations pass on those higher costs in the form of product price increases; and 3) those price increases must be enormous for corporations to recoup all of their increased labor costs.

What gives these assertions such mass appeal is their populist insinuation that higher wages would hurt the Average Joe. Ultimately, that Average Joe is supposed to conclude that the supposed harm modest wage increases will inflict on him will be far greater than the benefit they will generate for him and the economy as a whole.

For the sake of evaluating this particular conclusion, let's set aside all of the other moral and economic questions at play in the larger debate over wages. Let's, for instance, bypass a discussion about why the richest nation on earth has a $7.25-an-hour federal minimum wage that condemns many workers to destitution. Let's also for a moment disregard the fact that CEOs of the biggest restaurant companies make more in a morning than the average minimum-wage worker in their companies make in a year. Let's even ignore evidence that raising the minimum wage boosts the economy by putting money in the hands of those who will most quickly spend it.
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Pennies at the Register, Dollars in the Paycheck (Original Post) xchrom Aug 2013 OP
Most CEOs earn in one minute chervilant Aug 2013 #1
When most corporations report wage and labor costs fasttense Aug 2013 #2
When you do the math, it really makes no sense PSPS Aug 2013 #3
It is not the American worker that is uncompetitive on wage price, it is the CEO's that are on point Aug 2013 #4
I worked at McDonalds when min wage was $4.25/hr obxhead Aug 2013 #5
How did they do it? Heywood J Aug 2013 #15
Kick! Heidi Aug 2013 #6
Dah-ling -- how are you? xchrom Aug 2013 #8
Oh, darlin', don't I know it! Heidi Aug 2013 #12
In the end it comes down to whether we want a civilized society - TBF Aug 2013 #7
So simple, so obvious, and so true. pangaia Aug 2013 #14
The tired ctsnowman Aug 2013 #9
This article appeared in one of my local papers Pakid Aug 2013 #10
It is not We the People that need convinced. 99Forever Aug 2013 #11
A-Rod makes (well, made) more in one at bat pangaia Aug 2013 #13

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
1. Most CEOs earn in one minute
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 07:07 AM
Aug 2013

what it takes me 6 months to a year to earn!

(I'm so sure they're worth every penny...)

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
2. When most corporations report wage and labor costs
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 07:24 AM
Aug 2013

the CEO's, board's and executive's' pay is lumped in.

PSPS

(13,571 posts)
3. When you do the math, it really makes no sense
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 07:39 AM
Aug 2013

Well, no sense unless you're a sociopath.

Let's say you have an employee who works 8 hours a day at $8/hour and you now have to pay them $15/hour. That's a "whopping" $56/day increase in wages! I put whopping in quotes because, to the employer, that should be chump change. As an employer myself, I can state unequivocally that, if $56 a day of extra expense is going to hurt your bottom line, then you don't know how to run a business or manage your employees. Maybe you business is under capitalized and you don't really need (or shouldn't have) employees at all. In short, why are you in business and hiring employees in the first place?

On the other hand, that $56/day would represent a real whopping 88% raise to the employee described above. It would be like dying and going to heaven for them -- much happier, much healthier, much more devoted to their job.

on point

(2,506 posts)
4. It is not the American worker that is uncompetitive on wage price, it is the CEO's that are
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 08:00 AM
Aug 2013

In other words, all the stats show American workers are very productive compared to other workers. It is the CEO's that are overpaid compared to other nations and it is they that are uncompetitive. Most Euro and Asian CEO's make a million or less per year, not the multi-millions the US CEO's make.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
5. I worked at McDonalds when min wage was $4.25/hr
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 08:17 AM
Aug 2013

They made the same argument then that they do now with min wage $3 an hour higher.

Here's the kicker though, back then Mcdonalds did not have a $1 menu. You couldn't get a cheesburger for a buck, much less a double cheeseburger. Now it's standard in the industry and they have done it with minimum wage far higher than it was 20 years ago.

How did they do this? they threatened for years that just raising min wage from $4.25 to $4.85 would make a cheeseburger cost $10 or more!

I'm tired of this fearmongering that huge corporations and their media relations companies (the news, every channel) are doing in the US. I'm sick of it.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
8. Dah-ling -- how are you?
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 08:36 AM
Aug 2013

i've been forced to break out my parasol to save my delicate complexion from the harsh summer rays


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Heidi

(58,237 posts)
12. Oh, darlin', don't I know it!
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 10:04 AM
Aug 2013

My natural sweetness is giving me real cause for concern that I may simply melt in this heat. Goodness gracious!



TBF

(31,991 posts)
7. In the end it comes down to whether we want a civilized society -
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 08:28 AM
Aug 2013

do we want to pay wages/taxes when we are in the upper brackets in order to provide: services, roads, schools, entitlements, health care, safety nets? Or do we want to ignore reality, take as much as we can get for ourselves, and then build walls & hire private security?

If capitalism is going to be your economic system then you had better be asking yourself these questions.

ctsnowman

(1,903 posts)
9. The tired
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 09:12 AM
Aug 2013

old BS about worker wages was disproven as soon as they started shipping all the auto manufacturing to 50 cent an hour labor. Did the price of cars plummet? Hell no, they went up.

Pakid

(478 posts)
10. This article appeared in one of my local papers
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 09:33 AM
Aug 2013

the other paper that we have is a right-wing rag from hell Sad to say that where I live the rag is the main paper and the one that at least makes an effort to give a more progressives approach is much less popular. But then NW PA has more than it share of right-wing nuts! All that aside this article lays waste to all of the rich boys BS!!!!!!!!

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
11. It is not We the People that need convinced.
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 09:54 AM
Aug 2013

It is the Plutocracy in Washington DC.

And they really don't give a shit.

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