So, if Hillary runs is it safe to assume

[boston bean]

that stalwart obama supporters and those critical of Obama would have found some common cause, in being against her?

[JoePhilly]

1. Hillary's positions were almost the same as Obama's.

There was very little difference between them on policy.

Why would "stalwart Obama supporters" be against Hillary?

[boston bean]

4. Read my friend, read... LOL

I've seen many stalwart supporters post their disdain for hillary.

[JoePhilly]

22. Just not in your OP

[boston bean]

40. some don't want to admit, or maybe haven't realized

they have something in common. LOL

Believe me it is out there.

[JoePhilly]

47. So they admit it in other threads, but

not in yours.

Ok.

[boston bean]

61. pretty much. you could find them if you like.

could probably do so with one eye shut and the other half closed.

[djean111]

2. Yes, why would "stalwart Obama supporters" be against Hillary?

Are they hoping for a three-fer?
Obama, for me, is done, not relevant to 2016 unless he does some things that force Dem candidates to run against whatever he does.
I don't need a common cause for or against anyone until we have whatever passes, or we are given, for a Democrat candidate.

[LWolf]

3. It's not safe to "assume" anything.

I don't know why stalwart Obama supporters would be against HRC. There's very little difference between the two.

Hopefully, there will be better choices on the ballot.

[hfojvt]

5. it is, however, safe to dance

[Bluenorthwest]

6. They sure as fuck were vehemently opposed to her in 08. I'm thinking of some

media figures who called her 'vermin' and such. Half of DU called her a racist, head of a lynch mob, KKKlinton, you name it. I remember lynching photos posted here on DU to describe her campaign the same week Obama held rallies with 'ex gay' hate preachers who openly attacked gay people as Obama's surrogate. But that was fine with the DU regulars, they welcomed it it fact....

[LWolf]

54. I remember that the majority of DU

fought a truly embarrassing war between color and gender in '08. Neither side was innocent. I was not part of that, since I recognized both of them for what they are...neo-liberals that I don't want to be forced into voting for.

Embarrassing because race and gender became part of that battle, when Democrats are supposed to support and defend both people of color against racism and women against mysogeny. You are correct that there were some vicious attacks on HRC. Obama's supporters over-ruled everyone who tried to point out his centrist, corporatist, republican-friendly leanings, reminding us over and over again that he was "not DLC," even though his policies were, and have been, a dlc wet dream.

The whole mess seemed to lay bare some political hypocrisy, at least from the outside. I didn't want either of them, and they were the only two left standing 5 months before my primary ever arrived. So, in addition to the embarrassment of deciding on a candidate based on race or gender, I felt a distinct slap in the face "fuck you" from the party that set up a primary to favor two neo-liberals and make sure Iowa and New Hampshire were able to limit my choices.

I'm not going to do it again in '16. For as long as there is a candidate worthy of my support in the primaries, if any steps up, I'll be here to talk primary races. After that, I'm going to bow out until after the election. It simply isn't worth it.

[Whisp]

21. There is a big difference between the two:

Hillary and Petraeus were hot for supplying arms and intervention in Syria and Obama had to put his foot down with a No (ooo, I bet Hlls did't like that much as everything is so very personal to them).

Then Bill calls Obama a 'wuss', indirectly (so they say) for not having a more aggressive stance toward Syria. A couple days after the Wuss crap, administration announces they have to re-evaluate their stance on Syria and people think that Obama was bowing down to the Grate Clinton and appeasing him. That couldn't be further from the truth - what probably did happen is Billie got inside info ahead of time of the change on Syria (they has moles all over willing to serve the king and queen), spews this 'wuss' crap to make it seem like Obama is following Clinton orders and suggestions.

This is just one very glaring difference amongst many. Healthcare is another hefty. Hillary got No Where, not even half way to first base and Obama gotter done and will make millions of lives better for his efforts.

[LWolf]

56. .

As I recall, Obama was open to unilateral action in Pakistan. It's true that Pakistan is different than Syria, but the underlying issue is the same. Both open to continuing the war on terror.

Healthcare? Obamacare looks more like HRCs plan than what Obama campaigned on.

Here is one point I give to HRC: at least she verbally opposes Republicans, instead of campaigning on compromise.

Overall, they are both neo-liberals, and therefore off my table.

[Nevernose]

35. I remember in '92

When a virtually unknown Southern governor got elected president, and reelected a few years later.

[LWolf]

57. I remember that, too.

I would favor a left-of-center NOT NEO-LIBERAL governor over anyone else I've heard suggested.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. Yes. Enough with 3rd Way, part time, Democrats.

[NCTraveler]

8. The only way a stalwart Obama supporters would be against her...

is due to straight up ignorance or cult of personality. They are like two peas in a pod. Hilly would be a little more partisan. Some issues touted highly by Obama stalwarts were issues Hillary supported even before Obama "evolved".

[longship]

10. If she runs.

I don't know if I will support her in the primary. It's just too damned early and nobody knows who else is running. If she wins the nomination I will support her just the way I would any Democratic nominee, wholeheartedly.

That's the only practical thing any of us can say at this point, given that the nomination is three years away. That's why I am not a big fan of all these 2016 threads and why I respond this way to them. (I don't mind kicking them, but will not DUrec them.)

Keep the faith everybody. 2016 will be what it will be, Hillary* or not.


*Plug in any other potential nominee.

[JustAnotherGen]

27. +100000

It's too far away - AND - at the end of the day - regardless of who the Democratic Candidate is - the tune around here will be much different the weekend before the election.

[CakeGrrl]

11. Why should 'common cause' be assumed?

Several people who voted for the President have said that IF she emerges as the nominee, they will vote for her.

In contrast to Hillary supporters who've admitted that they wrote her in on the General Election ballot instead of voting for Obama, I will vote for the Democratic candidate on the ballot to prevent the GOP candidate from winning the White House. I don't care how much whining about the "lesser of two evils" goes on.

[Scurrilous]

20. ...

[Rex]

12. Already starting with the 'divide and conquer' ploy?

Kinda early.

[Lisa D]

14. Yes, it is early

and already tiresome

[boston bean]

44. That's funny, it really is. It made me LOL

1) this thread was about common cause
2) in light of the pretty much universal Hillary hate on this board.

You accuse me of divide and conquering. Seems pretty much that all Dems can't stand her. They got the divide and conquer already locked up, with no help from me, mind you.

[Lisa D]

13. I'm a stalwart Obama supporter

and plan to support Hillary if she runs.

Your assumption seems strange. Most Obama supporters will also support Hillary.

[Rex]

17. Right there with you!

And if Hillary get a primary challenger, I will give that person an honest chance as well. Bottom line is, I will support whoever ends up as the candidate.

Fuck this divide and conquer crap...you are right it is so boring and might I add, trite.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Why would most Obama supporters, centrist at heart,

Be against Hillary? Policy wise there is zero difference between them. Obama was a continuation of Clintonism.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. And who was appointed to economic positions?

Clinton alums.

And we have continued the free trade negotiations, now in secret.

I am way too cynical at this point, I am sorry.

[Little Star]

38. Drones are pretty hawkish.

[allin99]

58. lol. but it may not fall under "reflexively" hawkish. Now these things have to be characterized...

specifically so that obama is not the same. Maybe he is an unwilling centrist who hates putting social security on the table.

[randome]

16. 2014 is a lot closer than 2016. Is everyone familiar with the concept of 'triage'?

It doesn't matter who is running unless we make some gains next year.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

[leftstreet]

25. Obama had no coattails. 2014 Congress likely GOP n/t

[tridim]

29. LOL. Obama is the most popular potician in the country. nt

[leftstreet]

37. Lowest midterm turnout in ages n/t

[tridim]

39. Support among Democrats... 90+%. Obama has and will have massive coattails.

Neo-DU lied to you. Again.

[Zorra]

18. I suspect that she will be the new darling of many strong Obama supporters, and that those

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critical of Obama will be sadly and sarcastically saying "what a shock!" and "same DLC candidate different day" when she is nominated, and will vote for her in the GE and hope for the best once again, and later, on their way home, will think about Elizabeth Warren, and say to themselves, "If we could only get one President who really wants democracy, and would stand up to the banksters, there would at least be some hope".

[L0oniX]

26. They both fit well under the same church roof. n/t

[Comrade Grumpy]

19. I think we should be worrying about winning back the House next year.

Get back to me in 2015.

[Gothmog]

23. I supported President Obama in 2008 but could have easily voted for Hillary Clinton

Most if not all Obama supporters will be supporting Sec. of State of Clinton in 2016 if she runs. I for one am hoping that she runs and would be proud to support her.

[Warren DeMontague]

24. That seems an awfully broad and premature generalization.

I'm sure we'll have plenty of time to have primary fights, especially after the midterms, but if I had to guess you'll see more of a schism between the Obama wing breaking for HRC and the Elizabeth Warren wing breaking against.

[brewens]

30. What are the chances of you supporting any one else if Hillary runs?

Are you totally locked in already no matter what?

[boston bean]

42. If Hillary runs, I'm voting for her. yep.

[customerserviceguy]

32. Eventually

they will figure out before Election Day that whatever Repuke is up against her (and it won't be anyone remotely resembling a "statesman" in the Eisenhower tradition) is worse than four or eight years of Hillary.

This is just a fascination with people who imagine that a new Obama will surge to overtake her. That person had damn well better start getting on some Sunday morning talking heads shows really soon. Right now, no one in the Democratic Party has the TV face time that Barack Obama had at a similar point eight years ago.

Except, of course, Hillary.

[ZombieHorde]

33. I think those who really like President Obama will also really like

Hillary Clinton as President. They're very similar.

[cliffordu]

34. Pfthhh.

[DevonRex]

36. I'll support Hillary if she runs.

I'll give everyone a good look. But I like the experience she had at State. I think she got out from under Bill's thumb there. And I think she won't allow him to sabotage her campaign like he did last time. Yes, I think he did in a passive-aggressive way. She's tough now. Stronger than he is. With everything she had to handle at State, her experience is far ahead of anyone else's could be in foreign policy. And she will continue to investigate who leaked in the Benghazi situation. There's an insider who must be found. If he hasn't been found by then she has to continue the hunt.

[boston bean]

41. of course it's not everyone.

but there are many that have this in common... watch, look, listen... LOL

[DevonRex]

43. It is certainly going to be crazy.

Mostly I think we've got an uphill climb on DU just in supporting Democrats. And I don't think Elizabeth Warren will run if Hillary runs, out of respect and because she knows she needs some experience in public speaking. She has the chops, but she needs the communication skills. The folks who are soured on Dems like her, though. I do, too, but she'd lose.

Hillary will win. But people here hate her for the same reasons they hate Obama. And the Iraq war vote. I attribute that vote to Bill. She has broken free of him now.

[FSogol]

48. Same here. n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

45. Since we're already starting this, who are the choices?

I think Hillary would be a formidable candidate. Many of the negatives- she's connected, she's an insider, she knows where the wheels are greased- are also positives. She certainly is familiar with the way DC operates, and she will have an organization ready to go right out of the gate.

Like many on DU, I am impressed with Senator Warren. I would like a morally articulate voice against, in particular, some of the more egregious excesses of the past 20 years, and someone who is clearly out for the little guy. As others have noted, there is no guarantee she'll run.

Who are the other alternatives? Biden? No thanks, not unless he demonstrates he's done a complete 180 from his earlier position as an unrepentant drug war apologist. I'd like to go into 2016 reasonably certain we're not running someone else who would have no problem sending DEA SWAT teams in to bust 85 year old cancer grannies for eating pot brownies.

I think Schweitzer might be interesting. Anyone seen him lately? But Hillary may very well be the best or most logical choice, and if she's the nom. I will support her enthusiastically, of course.

[FSogol]

50. MD Gov Martin O'Malley?

Although, I imagine he'll end up being Hillary or Biden's VP.

[DCBob]

46. No. That's ancient history.

good grief.

[boston bean]

51. From what I've seen it's not so ancient. nt

[ceonupe]

52. The question will be can

She get his base and coalition to support her. Can she get mega high numbers of young voters.

Her is where the cult of personality of Obama shines. He get those who normally don't vote in large numbers to vote. Hopefully the work put in in 2008 and 2012 will carry over to who ever the democrat nomine is but I'm not sure she will get as much of or as many of first time voters Obama got.

I know in my state NC obamas machine destroyed an already very weak state machine and when Obama left after 2008 2010 was a massacre

[Glassunion]

53. No. But there will be a lot of

incomplete thoughts in the subjects of posts.

[bowens43]

55. never assume

[1StrongBlackMan]

59. Well …

This stalwart Obama supporter will be equally stalwart in my support for HRC, if she is the Democratic nominee for the POTUS.

[madville]

60. This is all so confusing

Are we going to refer to 2008-2016 as Hillary's first two terms or are we going to refer to 2016-2024 as Obama's third and fourth terms?