Please NEVER use Kimberly Dvorak stories for any subject at DU. Any.

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There's a thread on the Greatest Page citing her fiction on Michael Hastings:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=136711

Here's an example of her work on Democrats and Immigration:

http://www.americanpatrol.com/13-FEATURES/130227-FEATURE/130227-Feature.html

Obama the Hun
10,000 criminal aliens to prey on Americans

Note that she is also a birther.

http://kimberlydvorak.blogspot.com/2009/12/grand-jury-presentment-case-against.html

Grand Jury Presentment- A case against President Obama
A group of American citizens have decided to put their efforts into bringing a case against the President of the United States, Barrack Hussein Obama for treason, eligibility of Naturalization and fraudulent paperwork filed by the Democratic National Committee.

Charges similar to these have been served more than 400 times in various ‘jurisdictions’ across the country, according to Neil Turner an advocate for this lawsuit. He continues to report that “there are actually 3,141 jurisdictions in which charges can be served.”
“Lt. Commander Fitzpatrick is now serving these very same charges, which include an original two-page charge of Treason, to a sitting Grand Jury in Monroe County, TN,” Turner explained.

As word of the “birth certificate drama” surfaced on the airwaves last week due to a question posed to Sarah Palin by talk show host Rusty Humphries and reported on by World Net Daily, the drama resurfaced. Palin was asked point blank if Obama’s birth certificate was okay for public fodder. “Yes,” was her answer. According to Palin, American’s have the right to request President Obama’s birth certificate; however, in a statement on her Facebook page Palin defers her opinion on this case. “But at no point – not during the campaign, and not during recent interviews – have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States.”

Those in the know realize that this was a brilliant exposure of the birth certificate issue without Palin having to get behind it. The media would love to bash her for anything, but not this because it would force them to talk about the dubious birth certificate, which they are forbidden from doing – for fear of losing their jobs and their stations losing their FCC licenses.

During the election cycle Palin’s running mate McCain was asked for his birth certificate because he was born in the Panama Canal. And the Senate actually passed a non-binding resolution (S-511) to resolve that McCain was a ‘natural-born’ citizen. They were unable to do this for Obama however.

The people who want this issue to go away have displayed what they say is a Hawaiian birth certificate. However, that piece of paper is not proof of Hawaiian birth. It is a Hawaiian Certification of live Birth, which John Sampson, a 27-year veteran of ICE contends is different from a Hawaiian Birth Certificate.

http://kimberlydvorak.blogspot.com/2009/09/birthers-get-their-day-in-court-obama.html

Americans’ who do not believe President Obama is a U.S. citizen won a huge decision in California as a judge set three court dates, one of which will require the President to prove his citizenship.

The case will be heard by U.S. District Judge David Carter in Southern California, it is the first time the merits of the President’s citizenship will be argued in open court.

This is what you're supporting when you cite this vile bigot's work here.

[zappaman]

1. Yeah but DU...especially GD...is now the new info wars!

Try and keep up, will ya?

[Ohio Joe]

29. Sad but true

Conspiracies run wild.

[Whisp]

107. yep, some self appointed know it alls are Alex Jonesing

Under the guise of progressive concerns. *cough, ahem
oh, and Obama hate.

[zappaman]

109. !!!

[octoberlib]

2. She's a teabagger. Nt

[geek tragedy]

16. She's far worse than a Teabagger, and there are lots of her fellow travelers here. nt

[Dragonfli]

146. You think "lots" of your fellow DUers are "far worse" than Teabaggers huh? Talk about crazy CTs

Tell me, who are these DUers that are even worse than baggers? The ones that don't like right wing policies in our party or simply those that will not arbitrarily worship a politician as an infallible God like Deity (Ironically a powerless Deity that can not stop Republican policies he agrees with or stop the confirmation of Republicans and bankers the he himself appoints).

Give us some names to go with your petty hate filled accusations or admit you are building a fine straw man.

[geek tragedy]

151. would you like to play a game of:

"Who said it: DUer or Confirmed Tea Partier?"

[Dragonfli]

155. No, it is your game to smear Duers with constant vague accusations without naming a single

name while pointing a finger and declaring "many here be witches we must burn".

If you really think this place is full of evil people and the Moderators (unlike you) are too stupid to spot and ban this large band of evil doers - name them to show the (in your opinion) stupid Mods that so many of us must never post again.

You have made accusations in the past that many DUers are racists, many DUers are Ron Paul's operatives, many DUers are Birthers, many DUers are teabaggers, and now many DUers are even worse than teabaggers.

You do nothing but declare your hatred of your fellow posters while flinging fact free accusations of treachery against everyone save your own small tribe of dittoheads, you really hate Democratic Underground and it's posters for some reason and that makes me suspicious as to your intentions for posting here.

If you are going to fling vile accusations against most of your peers at least give us the courtesy of ending your practice of using multiple straw men to do so - have the courage to accuse us directly liker a man rather than as is your habit a weasel that lacks the courage to allow those you accuse to face their accuser and his accusations.

I shall from now on simply refer to you as "The McCarthy Tragedy". If I bother to refer to you at all.

[center][/center]

[geek tragedy]

157. There are people here who claim that Obama is a fascist, that Obama is destroying America, that

Obama ordered an illegal, impeachable violent suppression of dissent inside the United States, that Obama's DHS is hoarding ammunition (1.6 billion rounds), that the IRS was being used to oppress Obama's political opponents, that Obama is trying to take "everyone's guns", that Obama is a war criminal, that Obama=George Zimmerman, that Obama used the Sandy Hook children as props, that Obama is worse than Nixon, that Obama is worse than Bush, that Holder/Obama were behind Fast& Furious in order to be able to grab guns from gun owners.

That shit happens here all the fucking time.

[Dragonfli]

159. Then answer their posts and prove them wrong

if you can and alert the mods, that has worked here the 10 years I have been around, straw men just start shit.

In many cases I see claims backed by posted evidence of actions or policies that prove them correct.
Not the gunner stuff (there is unfortunately a group here devoted to gun love and gun paranoia CT's), but support of NSA internal spying, support of secret free trade deals that are destroying the country for labor. Declarations that Wall St criminals, fraudulent bankers, Torturers, war criminals, etc. should not be charged with crimes (and miraculously never are) SHOULD BE CHALLENGED AND CRITICIZED.

The DHS did coordinate local LE efforts to violently put down occupy protesters, I don't know that Obama ordered it but he certainly remained silent about such abuses. He clearly appoints hyper capitalist corporate conservatives to power, some here know that when control of the state is handed to powerful hyper-capitalist corporate masters of the world - it is a fascist move within the Mussolini definition of fascism. Perhaps that is why in anger they compare his extreme pro corporate stance's to fascism?

I have noticed that you accuse any criticism of the President no matter how true of being all sorts of nasty things. You imply that anyone that criticizes him is in league with whatever force you feel is hiding under every bed. You use your strawmen to smear all critics with a broad brush.

Your shit starting has to stop, we are not evil at DU, we are Democrats, in the rare cases where a troll surfaces the proper DU method of dealing with it is directly, with the post and poster, and since the mods aren't stupid, it works to get rid of them and has for over a decade - please conform to this time tested method and leave your straw men designed to silence all disagreement with centrists at the door before you log in. OK McCarthy tragedy?

[FSogol]

3. Don't we have a CT forum for that crap? Don't we have Hosts?

[zappaman]

4. I think GD hosts took the day off today.

Maybe tomorrow?

[geek tragedy]

6. Video/Multimedia forum has no rules, apparently nt

[DevonRex]

17. If it's anti-Obama, pro-CT anti-Obama it stays these days.

Just from what I've seen. Both jury and SOP decisions. Nothing's too bad, or too nutty.

[geek tragedy]

20. Did you know that Obama's policies are destroying America and that Obamacare

is doomed to failure?

Some true progressives told me that.

[DevonRex]

25. I am not surprised. Did you know you can say "Fuck Obama"?

and it is just fine? Well, it was fine with one jury.

[geek tragedy]

26. I got one hidden for saying "Fuck Ron Paul."

But, no, no infestation here.

[DevonRex]

44. LOL!!!! Meanwhile somebody is lecturing us on Russia's anti-gay law

actually not being so bad because it says people can't promote homosexuality to kids. No infestation here.

[awoke_in_2003]

131. Why doesn't that surprise me. nt

[DevonRex]

133. What surprised me was that

only a couple of us argued with her. I don't know WTF is going on. It clearly says you can't even tell a kid 17 years old or younger that homosexuality is even "normal." Just normal.

She didn't answer when I asked about the promotion part, whether she understood that you can't make another person gay. They either are or they aren't.

But, like I said, a few of us challenged her and everybody else let it go. Usually there would have been a firestorm. I don't know what to think.

[awoke_in_2003]

135. Wish I had seen it...

the shit in Russia is out of control, and all the civilized nations should boycott the Olympics over this. It would be a big kick in Russia's pocket book.

[DevonRex]

150. I just left a comment at whitehouse.gov

about it. That there needs to be a national discussion. Anyway, they have a feedback tab where you can ask questions, etc. I left it in the civil rights section. At the very least, there needs to be a warning of some kind because we can't trust that Russia will stop the arrests during the Olympics.

And that's not good enough anyway. They're trying to lure more tourists there. That puts LGBTs in danger. Russian prisons are absolute hell. Real hell. Anybody who even tries to compare our prisons to theirs ought to be laughed off this site.

[awoke_in_2003]

152. "They're trying to lure more tourists there"...

Which is why we should be making noise. Hurt them where it counts.

[DevonRex]

153. Yes. Before they hurt even more people.

I will support a boycott. I know what they are capable of.

[awoke_in_2003]

154. Some are luring people out...

then video taping what they do to them. One pic I saw threw had cut the nipples off a guy, and we're grinning proudly about it. And nothing will probably happen to the punks.

[FSogol]

48. Wow, unbelievable. And to a "name removed" troll no less.

[geek tragedy]

49. Funny thing--when rightwing Paulbot trolls infest the community, community standards

become pro-Ron Paul.

[jberryhill]

56. Fuck Ron Paul WITH Lyndon Larouche

[SunSeeker]

97. +1

[zappaman]

98. Sorry, but I can't go along with this statement.

Unless you add Rand Paul to it!

[bahrbearian]

122. Explain your other 5 hides, must be all trolls right?

[geek tragedy]

124. I'm proud of that transparency page. nt

[bahrbearian]

125. Only you would be, why on hell are you allowed to post OP's?

[geek tragedy]

126. I dunno, maybe because I'm not a bigoted birther like Kim Dvorak. nt

[Dr Hobbitstein]

144. I'd be proud of those hides, too.

The only people that would be upset about them would be Baggers, Birthers, and Pualfucks.. Err... Paulbots. My bad.

[redgreenandblue]

172. I'd vote to hide a "Fuck Ron Paul" post when it is clear from context that ...

...the sole purpose of this post is to insinuate that another DUer, or the progressive left in general,
are Ron Paul supporters.

[geek tragedy]

173. Here's the profile of the person to whom it was directed:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=128462&sub=trans

[redgreenandblue]

174. A banned troll.

I suppose in that case it was justified then.

Still, I'd be careful with that kind of stuff because such accusations have been made here in the past without justification, and thus people have become somewhat thin-skinned about it.

The person was member since 2003 and made, what, one post? Wow...

[geek tragedy]

175. The fact that "Fuck Ron Paul" got hidden when it was a response

to Paulbot who got promptly banned tends to indicate that there may be more Paul fans here than many choose to believe.

[redgreenandblue]

177. In any case, I never take chances with name-calling.

Better to alert and get them through proper channels.

[geek tragedy]

178. "Fuck ron paul" is not name calling, nt

[RC]

179. Or maybe you just rub too many people the wrong way to often, with your non-progressive opinions?

Really, could it be? It would sure seem so.

[geek tragedy]

180. "fuck ron paul" is a non-progressive opinion? nt

[RC]

181. That has nothing to do with what I said.

It is over all...

[geek tragedy]

182. which are my non-progressive positions? nt

[geek tragedy]

5. Not the group host's fault a good chunk of the site are Alex Jones-style nutjobs

who make Ron Paul look like FDR.

[one_voice]

10. Some of the stuff

that should be locked isn't.

[geek tragedy]

14. Does multimedia/video even have hosts or rules? nt

[one_voice]

19. Yep...

Statement of Purpose

Post videos, images, or any other multimedia content about politics, issues, and current events. No posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports unless there is really big news. No conspiracy theories. No whining about DU.

Question is, was an alert sent? They can't lock anything unless an alert was sent.


edited to add: click 'about this forum' and you'll see the list of hosts as well as the SOP

[Dr Hobbitstein]

145. I've alerted MULTIPLE times on Conspiracy Theories

And, spammed the hell out of the OP for posting said trash. Nothing has ever gotten done (aside from one OP self deleting).

[freshwest]

161. I check into Alex's latest when I read these threads. Yup, this is his. As well as he's pushing

Benghazi in response to the threat on embassies. I waited a few minutes after to see how long it would take it to percolate to DU. and sure enough it did the next morning. I don't respond, I trash those threads. The Hosts know what is going on, supposedly, or they are juried and allowed to stay, as far as I know, so I never alert them.

Add Jones' love fest with his interview with no less than James O'Keefe, GOP operative, all we are looking at is CT said to be deep truths about what is wrong in the USA, by a Libertarian, Paulite propagandists. All wrapped up with all the appropriate dog whistles.

I don't think the posters understand what they are putting out here. They can't help themselves. They got inducted into the esoteric truths of Zeitgeist and the rest of the new and shiny that ends up being old as shit. when you look it up. It'll get worse before it gets better.

What a nasty flamefest that first link was, really something else.

[Cali_Democrat]

7. I can't believe people are spreading her shit on DU

I'm becoming increasingly convinced there is currently a voter suppression effort underway at DU. The goal is to decrease Democratic voter turnout.

[geek tragedy]

9. there are a sizeable number of Ron Paul/Alex Jones style nutjob libertarians anti-gubmint

paranoid whackadoodles here.

Enough to rig juries on a very consistent basis--I got a post hidden for saying "Fuck Ron Paul."

[zappaman]

15. Exactly and...

FUCK RON PAUL!

[TeamPooka]

100. Fuck Ron Paul and the Libertarian horse he fucked in the stables.

[MrScorpio]

139. Paul wouldn't fuck that horse...

He'd make sweet LOVE to it.

[RC]

110. What else did you say in that post?

A link so we can see for ourselves.

[geek tragedy]

113. link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3345299

[freshwest]

162. Wow, I usually refer to EarlG's 'Fuck Ron Paul'. Think they want to hide his posts, too?

That's pretty frigging obvious when the TOS says Ron Paulites and the rest being pushed are not welcome here:

Teabaggers, Neo-cons, Dittoheads, Paulites, Freepers, Birthers, and right-wingers in general are not welcome here. Neither are certain extreme-fringe left-wingers, including advocates of violent political/social change, hard-line communists, terrorist-apologists, America-haters, kooks, crackpots, LaRouchies, and the like.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

We've been having a number of things that violate the TOS on that page being posted; but only checking TOS sends it to the Admins. When you look at the Recs, many of those, but not all, cite simliar source materials and themes daily here on DU. I have no solutions; I suspect the Admins are at a loss.

Thanks for the heads up on this source, it's really vile. And the fact is that it is the same ratfucking that was done to Clinton, with almost no changes in the text, even. It might as well be from Rush, it's almost accepted that these lies about Dems are the truth. It's bad for DU.

BTW, I expect this will be locked any minute.

[Comrade Grumpy]

12. I think this belongs in CT, too.

[ProSense]

43. It's not just DU

The RW and RW libertarians have been fanning the fascist state flame, conflating issues, pushing bogus stories and misinformation, resulting in some people who normally look at information with more objectivity buying into conspiracy theories.

Some of those D-Kos posts have been planted here.

Reminds me of that Ron Paul campaign video...black helicopters and all. It's completely bizarre.

President Obama is a dictator.

Between the RW phony scandals and the attempts to lay a decades-old infrastructure (policies created by Presidents from Truman to Clinton) at the President's feet, these are attempts to snowball the bullshit agenda.

Fixing the any problem is not the goal. It's to fan the flames against the President. Look how the narrative has escalated, from no one is saying it's illegal to some people pushing impeachment with every bogus or hyped report.

Remember the claim: Obama isn't going to be President forever.

What is being done to correct the potential for abuse?

Every day more and more reports create the perception of a growing surveillance state. Programs are being conflated, even ones that existed long before the FISA amendments and the Patriot Act.

What's being done to fix the problems identified?

It's all above creating a narrative, and that's why I suspect the agenda is political.

[liberal from boston]

101. RW & RW LIBERTARIANS

Thank you ProSense for your so true comment about RW & RW Libertarians.This is the second DU thread I have read questioning the misinformation, bogus scandals, used against President Obama. As noted, Not only DU but on other progressive websites & it is an organized effort to stop the government from functioning.

[Mojorabbit]

104. I agree with the above quote

"Remember the claim: Obama isn't going to be President forever.

What is being done to correct the potential for abuse? "

And I am seeing a few noisy posters spinning every abuse of the surveillance state to try and damp down outrage. That creeps me out big time.

The outrage is not a political agenda, it is an American agenda.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

149. Your posts have been

A breath of fresh air amongst the muck and stench of RW Paultards, Alex Jonesfuckers, and the like.

I should probably mention that I'm a full blooded vulgarian. I don't censor myself, often to my own detriment. But I ALWAYS passionately speak my mind. There's a certain eight-gill-bearing aquatic craniate animal that likes to post crazy stuff all over the place. I think I've seen you smack him down a few times as well. I tried, but it's like arguing with a wall.
So, thank you for arguing with that wall!

[freshwest]

163. +1

[dbackjon]

118. Aided by a large number of long-time DU posters

[uponit7771]

136. +1

[Fumesucker]

8. Andrew "The Bell Curve makes sense" Sullivan was popular here for a while too

I think he may have said something complimentary of Obama once.

[geek tragedy]

11. Screw Andy Sullivan nt

[Bay Boy]

13. What is 'scorthed' earth?

I've heard of scorched earth but not that.

[geek tragedy]

18. a tactic used by morans who need to get a brain nt

[zappaman]

21. you mean "brane", right?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

121. The graphic has "scortched".

You are excused. It's hard to keep track of nutty spellings.

[Bay Boy]

129. I misspelled the misspelled word?

That's funny! I actually double checked the correct spelling of scorched before posting that word, I didn't think of double checking the misspelled word.

[quinnox]

22. this is meta. Anyway, maybe people recommended it because they thought the video was worthwhile

and had nothing to do with the story by the person being complained about. Or maybe they rec'ed it because they think the story is worth investigating. There is no way to know why people recommend threads, and complaining about it is a waste of time, and even seems to be an attempt at calling out duers.

[geek tragedy]

24. So, maybe people should start posting David Duke articles on Israel.

I mean, they would be doing it solely out of their concern for the Palestinian people . . .

Reminder:

[one_voice]

30. It's not meta...

it's an opinion about blogger/writer. How's that meta?

[quinnox]

35. Of course it is meta, it is complaining about a thread on the greatest page

Do you see the direct link to the thread in the OP? Click on it.

[one_voice]

38. I did click on it...

and it's just a reference to her work. He's not complaining that it's on the greatest page. He's commenting on the writer, how else does he make his point if not to link to the writer?

You're really reaching for meta on this one. It's a point of reference. Nothing more.

He goes on to point out more about the same writer.

Big fail on the META.

[quinnox]

46. "He's not complaining that it's on the greatest page."

I'm not sure how you can read this OP and post that with a straight face. Anyway, the failure is all on you, for not seeing this is a big time Meta thread. But I get it, you don't think a thread directly linking to another, and saying anyone who post it is sympathizing with bigots, is not meta.

[one_voice]

55. You're completely ignoring...

the fact he's complaining about the writer and concentrating on the link. It's the writer he has an issue with. That isn't META.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[quinnox]

66. noted. I'm glad you have made your position on this thread very clear.

I would suggest you are showing a huge dollop of bias in that opinion. But as neither one of us are hosts in this forum at the present time, I guess that is OK.

[one_voice]

83. And what position is that?

That I don't think this is meta?

Or that I agree with the the OP?

Either way I've shown my opinion and not a bias. I'm quite capable of stepping back and being objective. I do when I'm on juries and when I've been on MIRT. I'll thank you not to assume that I wouldn't be able to do the same as a GD host, which I've also been--twice.

[geek tragedy]

64. Hey, if you think it's cool to have white supremacists promoted on DU's greatest page,

that's certainly an opinion to which you are constitutionally entitled.

[quinnox]

71. Whatever, you know this is Meta just as I do

But keep it up, I will be interested to see other threads you complain about and calling out your fellow duers to get insulted and smeared. You are admittedly good at that. Looking at all the replies, your thread is "mission accomplished".

[geek tragedy]

75. Hey, I'm just informing people that Kim Dvorak is a white supremacist hoax artist.

If people choose to believe everything she writes, that's on them, but they should know her history first.

Did knowing she is a white supremacist hoax artist change your take on her article?

[FSogol]

31. Speculating on why people rec'ed it? Why not tell us why you K&R'ed it?

[bahrbearian]

39. I rec'd it because of Hasting I want and investigation What About YOU?

[FSogol]

40. I didn't rec it. I think it is bollocks. n/t

[bahrbearian]

50. Well I figured that , sweep it under the rug, just another Journalist.

Besides he wrote bad thing about our Military Heros.

[FSogol]

60. Just another car crash, you mean. Plus it is being investigated.

Why the need for ridiculous conspiracy scenarios by white supremacists, tea baggers, and other assorted republican filth?

[geek tragedy]

61. When David Duke and David Irving provide their take on it, can you promise to post it here

for us so that their valuable insight and reporting help inform our understanding?

[bahrbearian]

67. You seem to keep track of those people , because I don't know who they are, you post for me.

[geek tragedy]

72. Holocaust denier and KKK member, so they are peers of Kim Dvorak., nt

[bahrbearian]

87. What in the Hell has that to do with the Post, Who do you work for?

[geek tragedy]

92. The ARTICLE. Did you read the ARTICLE? nt

[zappaman]

42. There is an investigation and it is ongoing.

Except it's probably not focusing on crazy ass bullshit like that video.

[bahrbearian]

62. So the video isn't evidence? Good to Know

[zappaman]

68. The video of the crash is

The bullshit crazy crapola drivel slobbered out by the wacky RW racist nutjob isn't.
Hope that helps clear things up for you since you seem confused.

[bahrbearian]

105. Coning from you NO.

[quinnox]

160. I rec'ed it just now to make it 70 recs

because I felt like it.

[Rex]

23. People probably don't know who she is.

Like most crazies, they do know Glenn Beck...she is just a female version imo.

[zappaman]

27. Is she Danish?

This could explain things...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023402470

[Rex]

33. I dunno, but she might have the IQ of a cheese danish.

Something is rotten in her brain.

[FSogol]

34. Seriously. Something smells!

Edited to add another great moment in smelling.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2682382

[KittyWampus]

54. Another, related great moment in smelling.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3402470

[Rex]

80. I like super microbes.

[Peacetrain]

28. Someone has to be embarrassed to their bones to be taken in like that

either to make and original op out of it.. or jump in on it.. this person sounds unhinged. Orly Taitz unhinged or whatever her name was.. that crazy dentist from California who just went off the rails trying to prove the President was not born in this country.

Hope they have the courage to apologize.. can't believe the powers that be would let that kind of thing sit..

[geek tragedy]

32. No, the OP is agreeing with the links I posted showing

how crazy she is.

Infestation.

[hfojvt]

45. you misread that

"either to make and original op out of it.. or jump in on it.."

The OP being, not your OP, but the OP you linked to in your OP.

And BTW, "I don't know" is on 3rd base.

[zappaman]

36. 20 bucks says this gets locked before that other OP.

[geek tragedy]

37. Community standards! nt

[bahrbearian]

41. Tell me your not butthurt Bro.

Hasting Death Needs investigation right?

[geek tragedy]

47. Hey, if you want to rely on the white supremacists for your information,

that's your call.

[bahrbearian]

53. Your job is to stiffel all converstaion about Hastings. Good work if you can get it.

[geek tragedy]

57. Yes, I'm part of the conspiracy that you and Dvorak and Alex Jones

are complaining about.

I'm truly hurt that someone who thinks it's okay to get their news from white supremacists would think negatively of me.

[Rex]

73. You dam conspirators, get off my lawn!

Fine, let them get their news from crazy, racist idiots. You and I are part of the big conspiracy now to shut people up.

I guess crazy only listens to crazy.

[zeemike]

112. And to establish president.

That anyone who talks about it is a Hastings Truther....and once labeled you can have your post hidden.
Seen this movie before.

[quinnox]

138. heh, it is "precedent"

but I understand why you made that typo/mistake.

[zeemike]

140. So it is...

My subconscious gives me away.

[Rex]

51. By credible people, would you take Glenn Becks word for it too?

I'm all for an investigation by tons of journalists, but not the ones that are 'coo coo for cocopuffs'.

[bahrbearian]

59. I'm talking about investigating Hastings Death , I don't know what that has to do with Beck.

But if it stops people from talking about it , I guess that what you want.

[Rex]

65. Yes I am too, are you not reading what I am posting?

If you want to ignore the part in my post about 'crazy people reporting the news' then be my guest. It doesn't matter one bit to me.

[bahrbearian]

70. Well you know what they say about broken clocks. so be my guest.

[Rex]

76. That doesn't really apply to people like what we are talking about.

But if you want to listen to crazy people and think it is news, be my guest.

[geek tragedy]

82. So, you think the interpretation of a video by a proven hoax artist

who is virulently racist against minorities and a far right wackadoodle is of value to the community?

[bahrbearian]

88. So the video is fake?

[geek tragedy]

90. Did you miss the part where they posted an ARTICLE by Kim Dvorak, white supremacist hoax artist?

And you'll never guess who she's trying to blame for it.

You get one guess.

[bahrbearian]

134. So the video is fake ?

[geek tragedy]

137. I've conceded the video itself is worth examining. What is the justification for the article? nt

[geek tragedy]

69. an actual investigation is relevant and worthy of discussion.

inflammatory speculation from white supremacists isn't

[bahrbearian]

74. Someone posted a video of the accident , now your butt hurt, you don't care about an investigation.

[geek tragedy]

78. Why do people need a white supremacist's interpretation

of the video to guide their understanding?

[DevonRex]

89. For Christ's sake. Just type "you are." You are butt hurt. Since

you cannot do contractions correctly.

[DevonRex]

79. What does that RW nutjob woman have to do with legitimate investigation?

Answer that.

[bahrbearian]

81. So the video is not evidence?

[geek tragedy]

86. The video is. Anything she has to say is not.

Are we clear?

[bahrbearian]

91. No , What she says , is not suspect the crash is.

[geek tragedy]

93. Are you saying that Dvorak's article is "not suspect?" nt

[Rex]

84. Well a broken clock etc..

Okay I guess crazy people can be right twice a day, but why pretend this is news? That is what I don't get - they wouldn't consider anything Glenn Beck said as news. Why her? She is just as crazy.

Doesn't make any sense.

[DevonRex]

96. My answer to that has always been

that a broken clock is useless. One has to first look at a clock that works to know to look at the broken clock at the time when it's supposedly "right." And after all, why would you do that? You already got the information from a valid source.

Yes, I think too much. And have too much time on my hands.

[Rex]

167. Obviously I do too.

I just guess I'm an old holdover to non-crazy news, if AP reports it and Reuters says something about it I'll give it some thought.

[matthews]

52. Never even heard of her. nt

[lamp_shade]

58. 59 recs for that thread. Sure says something about DU these days.

[freshwest]

164. Up to 70 now. Hook, line and sinker.

[greatauntoftriplets]

63. Oh ffs!

[cali]

77. I'm glad you posted this info. thanks.

[hfojvt]

94. actually I took my rec back after going to the link

the graphic posted in the OP is NOT from Kimberly Dvorak. It is from another site which quoted one of her articles and her byline and then also used that graphic.

Just because her article was quoted and her name mentioned does not mean she endorsed that picture.

Unless I am wrong about who owns the website in question.

[geek tragedy]

99. She's a fucking birther

http://kimberlydvorak.blogspot.com/2009/09/birthers-get-their-day-in-court-obama.html

http://kimberlydvorak.blogspot.com/2009/12/grand-jury-presentment-case-against.html

[hfojvt]

106. both of those look more like reporting than advocacy

Even the first headline. Since when do birthers call themselves birthers?

[geek tragedy]

108. you were saying . . .

As word of the “birth certificate drama” surfaced on the airwaves last week due to a question posed to Sarah Palin by talk show host Rusty Humphries and reported on by World Net Daily, the drama resurfaced. Palin was asked point blank if Obama’s birth certificate was okay for public fodder. “Yes,” was her answer. According to Palin, American’s have the right to request President Obama’s birth certificate; however, in a statement on her Facebook page Palin defers her opinion on this case. “But at no point – not during the campaign, and not during recent interviews – have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States.”

Those in the know realize that this was a brilliant exposure of the birth certificate issue without Palin having to get behind it. The media would love to bash her for anything, but not this because it would force them to talk about the dubious birth certificate, which they are forbidden from doing – for fear of losing their jobs and their stations losing their FCC licenses.

During the election cycle Palin’s running mate McCain was asked for his birth certificate because he was born in the Panama Canal. And the Senate actually passed a non-binding resolution (S-511) to resolve that McCain was a ‘natural-born’ citizen. They were unable to do this for Obama however.

The people who want this issue to go away have displayed what they say is a Hawaiian birth certificate. However, that piece of paper is not proof of Hawaiian birth. It is a Hawaiian Certification of live Birth, which John Sampson, a 27-year veteran of ICE contends is different from a Hawaiian Birth Certificate.

...

In other news regarding Obama’s eligibility it has just been uncovered recently that his Social Security number may have been issued in Connecticut between 1976 and 1977. During this time, Obama was residing in Hawaii and attending prep school. He did not move to the mainland (LA to go to Occidental College) until late 1979. And as far anyone knows Obama never resided in Connecticut. This begs the question how did the president get a Connecticut Social Security card when he never resided in the Constitution State?

I recommend you stop digging.

[hfojvt]

117. you are the one digging

"that if your shovel ain't full you just keep digging up some dirt"

"The records put forth by the President show that President Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth took place in Hawaii."

You are determined to find, and declare, enemies. And you moved the goalposts talking about birthers. The picture you have been posting is not hers.

But if you keep searching, doubtless you can find some other reason to hate her. Somewhere.

[geek tragedy]

123. So now you're defending the Birthers.

The enemy of your enemy is your friend, right?

Just to repeat, here is what you are defending (READ THE PARTS IN BOLD):

As word of the “birth certificate drama” surfaced on the airwaves last week due to a question posed to Sarah Palin by talk show host Rusty Humphries and reported on by World Net Daily, the drama resurfaced. Palin was asked point blank if Obama’s birth certificate was okay for public fodder. “Yes,” was her answer. According to Palin, American’s have the right to request President Obama’s birth certificate; however, in a statement on her Facebook page Palin defers her opinion on this case. “But at no point – not during the campaign, and not during recent interviews – have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States.”

Those in the know realize that this was a brilliant exposure of the birth certificate issue without Palin having to get behind it. The media would love to bash her for anything, but not this because it would force them to talk about the dubious birth certificate, which they are forbidden from doing – for fear of losing their jobs and their stations losing their FCC licenses.

During the election cycle Palin’s running mate McCain was asked for his birth certificate because he was born in the Panama Canal. And the Senate actually passed a non-binding resolution (S-511) to resolve that McCain was a ‘natural-born’ citizen. They were unable to do this for Obama however.

The people who want this issue to go away have displayed what they say is a Hawaiian birth certificate. However, that piece of paper is not proof of Hawaiian birth. It is a Hawaiian Certification of live Birth, which John Sampson, a 27-year veteran of ICE contends is different from a Hawaiian Birth Certificate.

Go sit next to Orly Taitz.

[starroute]

85. I did wonder about the fact that she was citing Judicial Watch

And that she thought it was somehow contradictory for the FBI to admit they were investigating Hastings' death when they'd previously denied having been investigating him before he died.

And that she didn't seem to know the meaning of either "postulate" or "curtail."

But I figured the article had been posted because of the surveillance video, which does raise legitimate questions, and not because of the text.

Point well taken to avoid anything by her in the future, though. I'd hate to see the Hastings story get sucked into the same maw of crackpot theories as certain other recent anomalous events.

[geek tragedy]

95. Her agenda is to claim that the Obama admin assassinated Hastings.

One puzzling aspect of the LAPD's objection to the release of the police report is the inference in the FOIA/CPRA response to San Diego 6 News that a federal investigation may be in progress, which only adds further questions as to what agency is investigating since the FBI said it is not investigating. This turn of events reaffirms this reporter's contention and the tens of thousands of individuals who have responded to this story that it IS in the public interest … Hastings was a national figure.

To find-out who is investigating and why, this week Judicial Watch will serve additional FOIAs against the DOJ (AKA Eric Holders’ war on journalists), Department of Homeland Security’s HSI, the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Agency (NSA), the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Secretary of the Department of Defense (DoD), and the Secretary of the Department of the Army (due to unchallenged threats made directly to Mr. Hastings).

[JustAnotherGen]

102. She's a real peach

Is she not? I wonder how much the Koch Brothers are paying her and if does lunch with Ron Paul?

[geek tragedy]

103. Birther, racist, immigrant basher, hoax artist.

And new DU heroine!

[Phillyindy]

111. The people who believe this...

...are what make conspiracy theorists seem crazy. If the highest powers wanted this guy dead, they have a million less spectacular ways to do so that don't take place in the middle of neighborhoods with cameras and the potential to leave all kinds of evidence. This besides the fact that our government has exactly ZERO fear of any article leaking anything anymore. The age of any accountability died with Iran-Contra, and was cremated during W's criminal presidency.

[geek tragedy]

114. drug OD resulting in cardiac arrest would be easiest. nt

[Phillyindy]

115. I'm sure they could...

Shine a laser at someone from a mile away and stop their heart at this point. Lord knows what technologies they have now.

[sheshe2]

116. K&R!

[struggle4progress]

119. If that's really Hasting's car, then the video shows he was driving about 80 mph

It only takes him about 4 seconds to travel the 475 or so feet from the Mozza pizzeria to the crash site

[zappaman]

120. Shush now with the facts!

Cars don't magically explode!

[struggle4progress]

127. What could possibly go wrong if I drive 80 mph at night on 25 mph road?

[zappaman]

128. ...into a tree after running over a fire hydrant?

Cars just don't blow up!!!

[struggle4progress]

130. The CIA obviously blew the top off the hydrant with C4 to make it look like an accident!

[one_voice]

132. I couldn't tell what happened from that video...

I saw the car go by and then the bright lights. I couldn't tell what was hit, at what angle etc.

Those people saying cars don't explode like that, based on that video are seeing things I apparently missed or can't see.

Cuz based on that video, I see a car driving fast and then a ball of light.

[struggle4progress]

143. The video seems consistent with the claim it's taken from the Mozza pizzaria

Last edited Mon Aug 5, 2013, 07:52 PM - Edit history (1)

at N Highland and Melrose; between 3 and 4 seconds elapse from the time the car passes the camera until the fireball; the crash reported occurred near Clinton (which is one block up from the pizzaria); and careful use of google earth street view with other photos and videos of the crash site or crash enable one to conclude the crash occurred near 612 N Highland

So the tape plausibly shows Hastings' crash, and its possible to estimate the speed of the vehicle

Aside from that, I don't think one can infer much from the raw video: the surveillance system isn't designed to take high-resolution pictures of swiftly moving objects; and the vehicle lights are saturating the camera

If I had to guess, my first guess might be that the light splashes as the vehicle passes the camera show that the driver tapped his brakes briefly, saturating the camera with brake lights and road reflection of brake lights

I can imagine a second possibility for the light splashes: we know Hastings ran a red light at N Highland and Santa Monica, so he wasn't driving carefully. Four blocks further along, just after Waring, N Highland switches from an undivided road to residential parkway with a tree-planted median dividing northbound and southbound traffic. If Hastings was driving at high speed, it's entirely possible he clipped the front of the median where N Highland first divided and damaged the under belly of his car, so that the light splashes could be a spray of sparks from dragging muffler, or oilpan or whatever might come loose on the bottom of a Mercedes if the car was driven onto and off of a curbed median; such an incident, of course, would probably also damage the tires, so by the time he travelled two more blocks, he might have been driving on at least one wheel rim

[MADem]

141. The minute she affiliated herself with that nutso lawyer in DC, she outed herself.

Those guys were staunch defenders of those swift boat assholes, among other sketchy efforts.

[geek tragedy]

142. which nutso lawyer? Klayman? nt

[MADem]

148. No, the "new guy" at the head of Judicial Watch, his name escapes me. Fitton or something like that

I think...?

Klayman (major turd) got bigfooted outta there--I'm betting he's still crying about it.

The only thing that Judicial Watch has done that is worthwhile is do a part to deplete the Scaife fortune!

[JI7]

156. the guy who use to always be on bill maher's abc show in the 90s

the same crowd here has taken the word of swift boaters and now birthers to try to push anti Obama/democratic agenda.

[MADem]

158. It's pretty clear what's happening here.

I think that Skinner might want to do what they do in government--force people to go through a screen to get to the content, here. The screen people need to get through is the TOS.

I'm amazed at how many people flat-out disrupt and attempt to cause division amongst Dems. You've ot to wonder what they're so afraid of?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

147. Also, anything from NaturalNews, VeteransToday, et al...

Yet I see them pop up ALL the time.
I got in an argument about a lady who posts at VT who claims to have been a whistleblower with a high level CIA job. Turned out she was nothing more than a delusional staffer for a congress critter. She was declared mentally unfit to stand trial (by both her own and the court appointed psychiatrist). The whole deal was pardoned (as it turned out to be not real), yet she still claims she was a whistleblower. Anyhow, after arguing with the OP, this lady signed up to DU to defend herself. The ONLY info posted about here was her "about the author" page from VT. Which was written by her. I've since forgotten her name, just the exchange, but every other bit of info written about her made it clear that she was NOT well. Yet, she's now here. Posting CT crap.

[freshwest]

165. When I read some threads/posts, I take into account that some people who post are deeply unhappy.

And the best way to get validation that 'by golly, something is wrong!!!!' is to work to get others to agree with them about whatever the newest bit of media input they have recieved.

In all cases, it will justify their conclusion that the world is coming to an end, that we're all being lied to, that it's all an evil and irresistible plot, or it's all part of an age old conspiracy which the latest outrage du jour is.

If it was not politics being discussed, they would argue it out on a religious website, or anywhere tofind kindred spirits. I'm no professional, this is simply my opinion after reading DU for a few years and seeing it ebb and flow.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

166. I always see these types of posters as coming from

an "I'm more informed than you" type of place. Like they're privy to some info that we would only see if we "opened our minds". As someone who has opened their mind on MANY occasions (I had a HUGE fondness for LSD and mushrooms in my teens/early 20s), I've never felt the need to don the tinfoil helmet of truthiness...

It's always a "you're too ignorant to see" or (my personal favorite) "sheep". Anytime I see that, I immediately give them this picture:

[SidDithers]

171. Veterans Today is one that drives me nuts...

it sounds like a reasonable site, until you start digging a bit deeper.

Then you see that Gordon Duff is a rabid anti-Semite holocaust denier, and that the site has be listed as a hate site by the SPLC.

I always, always, post the SPLC link whenever I see VT used as a source.
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/06/buyer-beware-veterans-today-and-its-anti-israel-agenda/

Another one is Paul Craig Roberts. Again, a reasonable sounding guy whose view of economics mirrors that of many DUers. The fact that he's an anti-immigration white nationalist who has helped fundraise for hates site VDARE doesn't seem to bother some posters.

Many GD Hosts don't feel that they have the authority to consider sources when deciding if a post is off-topic for GD. Personally, I think that they do have that authority, and posts using sites like VT or naturalnews (or mercola or whale.to or any number of health woo sites) should be locked and referred to the Creative Speculation, or Astrology, Spirituality and Alternative Healing Groups.

Sid

[Summer Hathaway]

168. But, but, but ...

Surely she's as reliable a source as Michelle Catalano?

[geek tragedy]

169. Or Alex Jones. nt

[Scurrilous]

170. There's NO bigotry on the left!!1!

[gopiscrap]

176. I agree with you