There will not be an Iran if they bomb the US or Israel with a nuke.

[originalpckelly]

The people of the Stone Age will look down on them for being simple folk.

It will not happen.

US nuclear arsenal: 5,000+
Israel: Some, but exact number not known, suspect to be around 100
Iran: ??? (Maybe 1)

Sooooo....

1 (Maybe) to 5,000.

Yeah. I'd pick that fight any day.

Will the neo-cons just stuff it already? If they want to start a war, they can go serve in it by themselves and let the normal people live in peace.

That is all.

[Fool Count]

1. "Maybe 1" is too much for US/Israel because it is enough to make Iran immune against any

possible regime change operation and that cannot be allowed under any circumstances. Sure, regime
change in Iran may be costly even without them having nukes, and may not be even considered now
(or ever), but merely having that option is worth killing thousands of people to some. It's like, "what is
the point of having all that awesome military power, if one cannot use it?". Here is the homework question
for you - who said that, when and in what context?

[libinnyandia]

3. How did the last "regime change" attempt by the U.S. work out?

[Fool Count]

4. Just from my recent memory I can name four such attempts:

(i) Kosovo (regime change in Serbia)
(ii) Afghanistan (removing Taliban)
(iii) Iraq (removing Saddam Hussein)
(iv) Libya (removing Qaddafi)

It could be said that they all (including the last one) worked exactly as planned, resulting in (you guessed it)
regime change.

[got root]

6. and so it goes...

we've been doing regime change constantly since we've had a blue water navy, and before

i would say that those usually turn out to be temp, stop-gap 'solutions' that keep coming back to haunt us, especially since wwII.

I'd argue it is more wise, both economically, and morally, to learn how to do better business with our partners, and brothers/sisters around the world, than constantly threatening and engaging in violence to get our way.

just a thought...

[SammyWinstonJack]

16. Oh you peacenik, you.

I'd argue it is more wise, both economically, and morally, to learn how to do better business with our partners, and brothers/sisters around the world, than constantly threatening and engaging in violence to get our way.

Where's the obscene profit in that, eh?

[libinnyandia]

25. I guess I wasn't clear. I don't think the coup in Iran in the 50's turned out too well except for

the oil companies. And regime changes don't always turn out well in the long run.

[razorman]

2. I don't think Iran will initiate a nuclear exchange, either.

Iran might do damage to Israel or the U.S., but then Iran would be immediately glassed-over. But then, considering the nutcases in charge there, they might not care.

[bhikkhu]

12. What specifically have they done to show that they are nutcases?

Not to defend them, as the government is too much in bed with the religious establishment for much good to come from it, but what have they actually done? Its one thing for a government official to spout off nonsense, but actions are different.

I don't see anything more than small-scale regional political posturing and meddling, as our allies are guilty of as well. I think the "insane" label has been pushed for a long time, based on little but the desire of some here to get a pass on starting hostilities.

[razorman]

15. Perhaps I did overstep a bit by using that term. They may simply be evil.

The mullahs' routine oppression of their people (in particular women and gays) could just be a factor of their religious fervor. The fact that they use capital punishment for what the rest of the world considers minor offenses seems a little insane to me. Of course, I guess we will soon find out whether or not the Iranian leadership is crazy and/or stupid enough to lash out with nukes.

[mainer]

20. Are the Iranian mullahs any more oppressive to women than, say, the Saudis?

No. In fact, Iranian women are known to be pretty well educated.

So using "routine oppression of women and gays" as a pretext for regime change is stretching it a bit.

[provis99]

14. with the people we have running for the Republican nomination,

I don't think we should be all high and mighty about calling Iran's leaders nutcases. Glass houses and all...

[got root]

5. When they get one, they win

as then there is no need to fear U.S. & Israel threats of aggression, as what man in their right mind would provoke a nuclear war



however, when the U.S., or anyone of her alies, have nothing to fear, in terms of a nuclear incident/response, then they will pithily bomb their way into that country, without provocation, let alone hesitation.

shock-n-awe

when i was young and idealistic, i used to think the world should strive towards disarmament... however now, unfortunately, i realize that we aren't mature enough in our ways to handle that, yet... so, it is probably more practical to hope that every country attains nuclear 'power'.

[Remember Me]

7. If Iran bombs anything

it'll all be a lie.

That's my take on it.

(Google: False Flag Operations)

[Historic NY]

8. There won't be a middle east........

its not a far as everyone think from Tehran and Tel Aviv 858 nautical miles, its shorter than NY to Miami. Lots of real estate and other countries in between or around.

[Zalatix]

9. More than likely we'll hit them with cruise missiles... unless we're also a bunch of howling savages

er, high-tech howling savages.

We don't respond to a tyrant bombing America by blowing up ALL OF IRAN.

Well, that is, if we can avoid having another Dubya come into office as a result.

[nanabugg]

10. The only nation in the world to ever use a nuke has been the US.

When was the last time Iran invaded any nation.

[bhikkhu]

11. ...so the talking points are always about how insane the Iranians are

backed up by very carefully selected sound-bytes and questionable translations.

[Amonester]

13. But before they get that 1, wouldn't they have to TEST if they got it 'wired'

properly?

I don't understand why nobody asks that very important question.

[libtodeath]

17. I doubt

Iran will do anything but thumb their noses at us and become the big kid on the block in the mid east.

[madokie]

18. Neocon warring has been going on since Vietnam

and if you look you'll see a pattern that is used to get us to go for it, 'us' being you and I.

[spanone]

19. same things were said about iraq....they had NO bomb...fearmongering

[flexnor]

21. sorry, common sense not allowed, only warmongering allowed

on this topic

all 'kidding' aside, this is no joke, the war drums are beating for another RUINOUS war

[flexnor]

22. Even Pat Buchanan is saying that Iran is no threat nt

[flexnor]

23. 'they can go serve in it by themselves'?!?!?

what's your next suggestion, that wall street bet it's OWN money, instead of ours?

[ecstatic]

24. We can't use 5,000 nukes

That would be completely unethical, and it would destroy more than just Iran--more likely, the entire middle east. Diplomacy is the answer. These so called leaders need to grow up.