I Want To Vote For A Woman For President.

[DonRedwood]

You hear that Democrats? I want to vote for a woman for President. Scream and yell but I don't care if it is Hillary or Elizabeth. I'd prefer Elizabeth but I'd be thrilled with Hillary. One thing is for certain, we won't know if Hillary is running for quite a while. But if she wasn't running, she'd do exactly what she's doing now--playing it cool, drawing the flak for the entire Democratic party.

Notice the right wing isn't talking about anyone but her? Mrs. Clinton is a team player and she and Obama are drawing pretty much all the fear and tooth gnashing from the right. It sets up Senator Warren quite nicely if she decides to run.

I wish Warren had more experience. I wish Hillary wasn't a Clinton.

But with Hillary comes Bill, who will be an extreme help in any election. The Obamas will work hard for the next candidate, whomever it is. Senator Warren has a nice clean slate. They are the same age almost.

So, it comes down to this: I live in a very late primary state. The candidates are already picked by the time I get to vote. So, we just get who y'all pick for us. I'd really like to vote for a woman. I'd like a mom to be in charge for a while.

If it is Senator Warren, I'll be just 100% thrilled and supportive and cool about it. If it is Hillary, I'll be just 100% thrilled and supportive and cool about it. I see no reason to rip on either of the candidates. I see a lot of reason to support them both. Honestly, I probably wouldn't even be considering Warren if it weren't for Mrs. Clinton's previous attempt. Hillary showed me it can be done. She has made a path for Warren, she is drawing all of the ire and energy of the right, it does us no harm but to support these two women to the best of our ability.

The minute the right wing attach media stops going at Secretary Clinton, it means they are after the next front runner, en masse, lying and attacking and trying to destroy them.

Thank you Hillary Clinton for being so strong in your years of service. Even if you do not run, you are playing a great game that does nothing but benefit the Democratic Party. By taking the punches you give EVERY other Democrat a better chance by shielding them as long as you can. Since the powers of the right would never understand anyone walking away from a sure thing (as many have said your candidacy would be) they can't stop attacking you. They can't conceive that you won't run so their blind hate for you is a protective umbrella for everyone else. You do our party great service by doing what you are currently doing. Hanging out, going on vacations, but scaring the bejeebers out of the right wing with the possibility of "will she, won't she?".

So, honestly, that one of the great political questions of this next cycle is, which of those two amazing women is going to be the next President. I look forward getting to vote for a woman.

Clinton/Warren? Warren/Merkely? Warren and that lady from Texas? (That would be fun)

[Common Sense Party]

1. Would you vote for a Sarah Palin? Or a Michelle Bachman?

I don't care about gender when it comes to voting. I care about competence. If it's a competent female or male, it shouldn't really matter.

[DonRedwood]

2. Sociologists and Psychologists fill libraries with books on the differences between men and women

Just think it is time we try the gentler sex at the helm if we have the good candidates. And I feel we do.

[cali]

12. so what. How is that germane to women in leadership positions?

the gentler sex my ass.

[tazkcmo]

31. Thatcher?

She's WAS a woman, dust now though. Too bad because with her name recognition and being a female she sounds perfect for you. Me? I want a left handed, trans-gender, Oriental asexual what ever their stance on the issues.

[boston bean]

34. Hillary is quite competent, do you disagree?

[Common Sense Party]

45. Never said she wasn't.

That wasn't the point. But of course you already know that.

[boston bean]

55. Well, that certainly distinguishes her from Palin or Bachmann.

You've answered your own question.

[Pab Sungenis]

52. The last candidate who tried to make a Presidential campaign about competence

blew a 17-point lead to lose in a landslide.

Hillary has to give a good reason, other than her competence, to vote for her.

[opiate69]

3. I want....

To vote for a progressive for President.. so long as they genuinely have the best interests of the poor, working, and middle classes at heart, I couldn't care less what gender they happen to be.

[demwing]

4. Its an embarrassment

That the center of the Democratic world has never been held by a female.

[rl6214]

5. I want to vote for the best person for president

In 2008 that happened to be Hillary. In 2016 we ll see.

[markiv]

6. I want to vote for a hispanic lesbian

so we can knock out 3 categories and get back to selecting someone based on what's best for the country and it's people regardless of race, gender or orientation

[Phentex]

19. add atheist and I'm in!

[markiv]

23. short hispanic lesbian left handed dyslexic athiest

who plays cheap trick on an 8 track in an old camaro

how's that?

might as well get many as possible

[Nye Bevan]

28. Add "one-legged" and I'm in (nt)

[Little Star]

7. I very much want to see our nation progress to the point that we...

elect a female.

I'll take Clinton/Warren or Clinton/Davis as my first choices. But will seriously consider other Dem combinations.

k&r

[Taverner]

8. I want a constitutional convention done by direct democracy

[LWolf]

9. I want to leave Warren and Merkley in the senate,

where they are desperately needed. I want a left/liberal governor, whoever that might be.

While I think we'd be better off with the right woman, I don't think HRC is the one.

[Auntie Bush]

18. I like everything you say except for the last sentence.

Hillary would be much more knowledgeable and experienced on most all policies or subjects.
I think Hillary would probably the most qualified person to ever run for the presidency. She will represent the first female president and will do an excellent job. With Warren in the senate we can really go after the greedy wall street crooks...especially if we can get the house. As much as I like Warren...she has no foreign policy experience and we certainly need that in this world today.

[LWolf]

20. Hillary is a neo-liberal,

and thus not qualified to be the president that I want in the white house.

I agree with you that she is knowledgeable and experienced. I also agree that she would do an excellent job...for those she represents.

As a neo-liberal, though, she doesn't represent the 99%.

[Auntie Bush]

24. I'm sorry but you are jumping to conclusions...the wrong conclusions.

"As a neo-liberal, though, she doesn't represent the 99%." She and Obama had almost identical platforms. I'd say Obama isn't for just the 99%, neither is Hillary. She has always been for the people and a Democrat. How can a Democrat not be for the people. Who was the one who worked so hard trying to get health insurance for the 99%? We may not have like her plan but she tried and that was the best option in those days. Let's wait and see what she runs on before you accuse her of being a war monger/capitalist...if that's what a neo-liberal is.

[LWolf]

27. Neo-liberal:

The DLC, "centrists," "New Democrats," and "3rd Way" Democrats are all neo-liberals. Which is why they aren't on my table.

http://www.globalexchange.org/resources/econ101/neoliberalismdefined

[Auntie Bush]

63. Why can't you just call other Dems "centrists Democrats" instead of all the nasty sounding

name calling? There is no need to call one of our own a neo-anything... it sounds so right wingish and derogatory. I don't refer you as a left winger or a leftest. We're all Democrats.

[LWolf]

64. Because

that's what they call themselves. Those "nasty sounding" names are their label of choice. Derogatory? I don't know about that. Many DUers would consider it "derogatory" to call someone a Republican, but it simply points out political allegiance. Just as those labels you object to do. Perhaps you should be objecting to Democrats aligning themselves with "right wingish" ideology.

I don't mind being called a "left-winger," or a "leftist." It's accurate, it's what I am, and it's not a put-down. Just as it's not a put-down to refer to me as a woman, a grandmother, a teacher...I AM those things.

As a matter of fact, before DU3, Democratic Underground identified itself as "left-wing." That label was replaced by "liberal" with the advent of DU3. I don't think that was a coincidence. After years of protesting the selection, the election of a neo-liberal Democrat meant that the party, and the site, shifted for him.

It doesn't matter. "Neo-liberal" is an accurate label that covers all the dlc/centrist/new democrat/3rd way factions that have taken over the Democratic Party and, in this "old" leftist/liberal Democrat's opinion, encouraged it to throw so many "old" Democrats under the bus.

[Pab Sungenis]

53. "She and Obama had almost identical platforms."

And look where we are now.

That's why I don't want Hillary. I want something more progressive than the past five years have been.

[tabbycat31]

22. there is a good liberal/left female candidate for governor

That would fit your description. Unfortunately she's running against the GOP's heavyweight champion.

[LWolf]

25. Tell me more.

She may not be in position for '16, but I'll track and support the career of any good liberal/left politician.

[tabbycat31]

30. If she wins I don't see her running in 16

Or for higher office, but she's attacking her opponent for his 16 ambitions. Her name is Barbara Buono and she's running for governor of NJ. She also picked a female running mate for an all female ticket.

www.buonofornj.com is her website (I think)

[LWolf]

32. Thanks!

I'll spend some time there.

[uponit7771]

10. I do too, but as soon as a Great Depression level economy crash isn't fixed in 90 days wingers, bash

...bashers and FUDr will call her a sell out too

[markiv]

16. 'will call her a sell out too'

wrong - i wont have to wait for that

i can already call her that now

[cali]

11. I'm a woman and all I want is to vote for someone

who isn't completely joined at the hip with corporate America. The gender of that person is not as important as that. not even close.

Hillary is joined at the hip with corporate America. She is part of the problem.

[LittleBlue]

13. I want a progressive for president

If that candidate happens to be a woman, awesome. But first and foremost, she must work for us. I can't be bothered to care whether the 1%'s agent is man or woman.

[kestrel91316]

14. I don't want to vote for ANYBODY for president......

until 2016. That's 3 1/2 years away.

I'll live a little more in the moment until then. We HAVE a president right now who needs our support and at times our pressure.

[RC]

35. Needs our support? It would help if he would support us a little better.

Don'tchathink? After all, we hired him on his words. Words that he hasn't really followed up on.

[Laffy Kat]

15. Wonder why there's never been a Women's Party?

I'd sure be interested and so would my husband and my sons.

[Pab Sungenis]

54. There has been.

Look up Victoria Woodhull and Alice Paul.

[markiv]

17. I think it would be fun to have Hillary run

I think i would get a kick out of interrupting anyone who questions her, and accusing them of being sexist

[davidn3600]

21. That's sexist

I mean if I made a post that said, "Im only voting for a man for president." I'm sure many would accuse me of being misogynist.

But if Hillary wins, at least we can say we have a female president! That novelty will wear off in about a month. And the rest of the world will roll their eyes at the stupid Americans who think a female head of state is something the world has never seen before.

[Puzzledtraveller]

37. So true, especially

And the rest of the world will roll their eyes at the stupid Americans who think a female head of state is something the world has never seen before.

[snooper2]

26. I kind of want to vote for an Asian American who left scientology

[Quantess]

29. Whichever candidates the oligarchs (the US's owners / our masters) allow to be in the race,

will be the candidates we get to choose from.

[RC]

36. And somehow many do not see that as a problem.

Already they are rooting for our master's supposed 'gift' to us.

[Puzzledtraveller]

38. ^^this^^

[JoePhilly]

33. A man will not beat Hillary in a Democratic primary.

Not this time.

There were a set of dynamics that hurt Hillary in the 2008 primary process against Obama.

The most important was that Hillary did not take the process seriously enough. Obama surprised her, and was able to work the caucus system to his advantage.

That's not going to happen again.

In addition, back in 2008, many women set aside their desire to elect a woman President. Things like "former first lady" and "another Clinton" and "they tried to impeach Bill, what will they do to her?" kinds of questions weakened her just enough to give Obama a shot. And he eeked it out.

That's not going to happen this time either. Her time as SOS is a huge plus (kills "first lady" nonsense) and the GOP's all out hate for Obama now inoculates Hillary going forward. The fact that the GOP will absolutely hate her is a PLUS, not a minus.

She's proven that she's more than qualified to do the job, and that she's tough enough to take anything the GOP throws at her. And there isn't a Democratic male alternative that's got a chance of stopping her this time.

So ... I think the only way you aren't voting for Hillary in 2016, is if a "much better" female candidate emerges and gains HUGE traction. Some around here will claim that Warren is that candidate. I doubt it. But we'll see.

Many women are familiar with facing the glass ceiling their whole career and never getting the promotion that they've earned. And its not about "serving their time" or "waiting your turn" as some will claim. Men have been able to do that for years. But women haven't.

They've had to earn it, and then some.

And I think that unless something crazy happens, Hillary wins because she's more than earned it.

[RC]

39. How about not working to elect another Republican Lite?

Hillary is a little to the Right of Obama. That is the wrong direction. We need to go Left.

[HoneychildMooseMoss]

41. I love that graphic

It sums up the current situation quite nicely.

[JoePhilly]

44. And yet you propose no one.

I've been telling the disgruntled here on DU to get busy finding the "better liberal" candidate for 2016, for about 3 years now.

I tried to tell them that if they did not get busy, they'd be here on DU in 2016-2020, complaining about President Hillary Clinton.

Instead, they wasted time by calling for a primary against President Obama. Didn't happen.

They hoped that Obama would lose in 2012 and THAT would teach the Democratic party a lesson. Didn't happen.

I've tried to explain that endless complaining about Obama will not unearth this "better liberal". Its going to take time, and work. Hillary's position is stronger than it was in 2008. It will not be easy to beat her.

Time is running out. And yet very little work is being done to find an alternative.

Unless the recent uptick in "Hillary is bad" OPs on DU counts.

And I'd suggest that posting cute graphics, or a Warren 2016 graphic in one's posts, won't cut it either.

If the trends continue, the same folks who've spent 4 years complaining about Obama, will end up spending 2016-2020 (at a minimum) complaining about President Hillary Clinton.

[RC]

47. So what?

Let's deal with the 2014 midterms first. We have a Senate to keep and a House to get.

That endless complaining about Obama is because he keeps caving and because he keeps appointing Republicans to run agencies. To say nothing about the Chained CPI.

[JoePhilly]

56. Walk and chew gum. Or ...

The endless complaining about President Obama will become endless complaining about President Clinton.

[RC]

58. Birds of a feather...

Enough of pushing 3rd Way, DLC and DINOs. The situation will not, can not improve if we keep rallying behind neo-liberals, i.e., Republican Lite.

[JoePhilly]

59. Then who do you propose we rally behind?

Until you answer that question, you're not going anywhere.

Democrats do not want to see a Republican in the White House.

Either the disgruntled come up with a better liberal candidate, or not. And they'll need to come up with one who can't lose in the General Election.

And regular Democrats will have to believe it. And they will have to be convinced.

Screaming "3rd Way" and "DLC" at them won't cut it.

[RC]

62. I already told you, there is a midterm election to contend with.

Let's concentrate on that for now, so we do not lose the Senate and hopefully gain the House.

For those thinking 3rd Way, DLC, DINO are just fine for running for office, are part of the problem.
3rd Way, DLC, DINO's are Right of Center, neo-liberals, not true Democrats. Hillary is DLC and part of the 1%.

[liberal N proud]

40. As long as she is not a Republican

I will not vote for a Republican regardless of who they are!

PERIOD!!!!!

[Wounded Bear]

42. Now that I agree with!!!

[bowens43]

43. Seriouosly? You think the gender of the candidate should be a deciding factor?

I just don't know what to say to this.....

[dembotoz]

46. a woman would be nice, a progressive would be better

[HappyMe]

48. Good grief.

Neither Clinton nor Warren have said that they will run, for one thing. The other thing is just because I have a uterus, that doesn't guarantee my vote for a woman. I think it's a wee bit insulting to assume that that is the case.

[spanone]

49. so gender is your benchmark?

[Safetykitten]

50. NO Clinton. Yes WARREN!

[Auntie Bush]

65. Yes Clinton. Yes warren in the Senate beating up banksters.

[fredamae]

51. I want to vote for

a POTUS Candidate that has a Proven History of Being FOR the People.

It has to be more than "just promises, acknowledgements of our pain and carefully crafted statements" - We can't take much more of this kind of "good will", imo.
We have to learn to listen to what they Don't say--to what they "leave out"...

[pnwmom]

57. The only problem with Warren or any other Senator is that it will mean one more spot

to defend in the Senate.

[bettyellen]

61. I know, but I think on top of everything else she has the "It" factor and can win people over....

It sucks to be thinking in those terms, but I remember Dukakis all too well.
I feel like we can't afford to ignore it, star quality certainly put POTUS over the top for us.

[Douglas Carpenter]

60. IF one is satisfied with the way things are and the way things are heading a vote for Clinton makes

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a lot of sense.