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spanone

(135,795 posts)
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 12:10 PM Aug 2013

Wrecked Fukushima nuke plant leaking 330 tons of contaminated water a day

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on Wednesday ordered increased efforts to stop radiation-contaminated water from spilling into the Pacific Ocean from the wrecked Fukushima nuclear plant.

A government official told reporters Wednesday that an estimated 300 metric tons (330 tons) of contaminated water was leaking into the ocean every day from the Daiichi plant, which was devastated by the March 2011 earthquake and tsunami, Reuters reported.
The official also said the government believed the leaks had been happening for two years.

Few people are granted access to the radioactive Fukushima exclusion zone in Japan, which remains abandoned and frozen in time on March 11, 2011 — the day a massive earthquake and subsequent tsunami caused a triple nuclear meltdown in the city. Channel 4's Alex Thomson reports.

The plant’s operators Tokyo Electric Power Company has been building an underground wall by injecting “liquid glass” into the ground in an attempt to contain the contaminated water.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/07/19910577-wrecked-fukushima-nuke-plant-leaking-330-tons-of-contaminated-water-a-day?lite

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Wrecked Fukushima nuke plant leaking 330 tons of contaminated water a day (Original Post) spanone Aug 2013 OP
K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #1
That's nothing compared to any normally operating coal power plant. hunter Aug 2013 #2
Not really Lochloosa Aug 2013 #3
Mercury: Half life of... forever. hunter Aug 2013 #4
You realize you are the first one to tell nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #21
ok. I just have to ask. bunnies Aug 2013 #23
At the height of it the "experts" kep telling us nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #27
omg. bunnies Aug 2013 #28
Hey, at least bananas are good for you nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #30
Potassium & all! ;) markpkessinger Aug 2013 #31
Reminds me of an episode of "My Strange Addiction" bunnies Aug 2013 #32
Stick to the bananas nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #36
Toxins is toxins is toxins, toxic in all sorts of ways. hunter Aug 2013 #41
No one wants to hear malaise Aug 2013 #5
it's pretty amazing. spanone Aug 2013 #6
It's frightening malaise Aug 2013 #7
Which means its probably a lot more. bunnies Aug 2013 #8
The leaks may represent a currently unfixable problem. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #9
Thats horrifying. bunnies Aug 2013 #12
It cannot be allowed to go dry. The reactor must remain cooled for years, decades even. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #14
So they'll just continue to poison the Pacific Ocean? bunnies Aug 2013 #15
Would you rather the reactor and vessel exploded? Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #16
I dont know. bunnies Aug 2013 #17
At the very least, water is an effective neutron absorber. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #18
Yeah. You make good points. bunnies Aug 2013 #22
Why isn't Japan properly dealing with this ? n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2013 #33
Good question. bunnies Aug 2013 #34
It has been aparent for a while that Tepco is unable to properly deal with the situation. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2013 #35
I wonder if the Gov't will be any better. bunnies Aug 2013 #40
Fukushima is a clusterfuck. City Lights Aug 2013 #10
According to some madokie Aug 2013 #13
Do you remember those posts? malaise Aug 2013 #19
Yes I do madokie Aug 2013 #25
Ok, my ignore list must be working nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #37
And that's very good malaise Aug 2013 #38
. madokie Aug 2013 #39
Well those people are looney toonz, IMO. City Lights Aug 2013 #20
Well, people saying it would destroy the whole ocean are just as bad! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #24
the heck with the swimming part madokie Aug 2013 #26
Japan says Fukushima leak worse than thought, government joins clean-up spanone Aug 2013 #11
And no effort is being made to stop it brush Aug 2013 #29
scary Liberal_in_LA Aug 2013 #42
. riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #43
So they're dumping 82,500 gallons per day? Sirveri Aug 2013 #44

hunter

(38,304 posts)
4. Mercury: Half life of... forever.
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 02:58 PM
Aug 2013

And don't forget coal mine wastes.

But the big one, that will greatly disrupt and possibly destroy this civilization, is greenhouse gases.

It would take many more Fukushima sized accidents to equal fossil fuels' ghastly record.

But the solution isn't "alternative energy" sources or anything else. Buying more stuff is what got us into this mess, and even if the stuff we buy is wind turbines or solar panels, whatever, that doesn't address the fundamental problem.

We've got to reduce our numbers (free birth control for all!) and learn to live better with much less.

Current economic ideologies are destroying the environments we are best adapted to. The current religion of "economic productivity" has got to be discarded.

It's better to sit back and watch a garden grow than it is to work in a factory so you can pay for the car that you drive to the factory.

How do we create a society of comfortable people who are less "productive," who don't buy much stuff, and only have one or two kids?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
21. You realize you are the first one to tell
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 06:40 PM
Aug 2013

Us how much worst coal is over this disaster? Congratulations are in order. We've missed you guys in all the recent Fuku threads.

I know, I know, eat those bananas.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
27. At the height of it the "experts" kep telling us
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 07:19 PM
Aug 2013

That it was not worst than coal, in fact, coal was more radioactive, and the level of radiation would be like your granite table, or eating a banana.

It has become a running gag.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
32. Reminds me of an episode of "My Strange Addiction"
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 07:37 PM
Aug 2013

There was a woman that ate rocks constantly because she liked the crunch. Hey wait... I live in "The Granite State" AND I eat bananas! Guess that means Im completely screwn.

hunter

(38,304 posts)
41. Toxins is toxins is toxins, toxic in all sorts of ways.
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 08:26 PM
Aug 2013

Radioactivity is just one way.

I'm simple. If you are chaining yourself to the front gate of the nuclear power plant on Saturday, you ought to be chaining yourself to the front gate of the fossil fuel plant on Sunday. Otherwise it looks like you are working for the fossil fuel industry. "Clean" coal or natural gas is propaganda, it's not clean, it's toxic. Some anti-nuclear activists are actually paid by the fossil fuel industry, both directly and indirectly. The natural gas industry loves wind and solar because gas is the perfect back up fuel when the sun's not shining and the wind's not blowing. Look at public radio and television. They've largely been bought by the natural gas industry.

"Fracked" natural gas is a horrible fuel. The groundwater contamination in that industry is every bit as bad as the situation in Fukushimi, maybe worse. Same with coal.

To quit nuclear power, to quit fossil fuel power, you have to quit. It's like smoking. A pack-a-day smoker who adds a joint or two to his daily smoking routine is still a pack-a-day smoker.

That's the kind of thing Germany has accomplished with all their alternative energy schemes. They shut down the nuclear plants and they are building new coal plants. It's like they're saying, yep, I quit the oxycodone habit for black tar heroin and a few poppers. Yay!

I'm a Luddite. I think we should get rid of any high energy industry that's not directly related to food, shelter, medicine, and art. Our big box store automobile based "consumer" society needs to die. We can spin it down on our own terms or we can wait until mother nature takes us down the old-fashioned way.

The first alternative, doing it on our own terms, is preferable. By nature's rules, animals living unsustainable lifestyles simply die. Using our unusual brains we have a choice. We can figure out what is sustainable or we can die.

I'm not optimistic. I think our world civilization is going to die, and the human population will be greatly reduced in extremely unpleasant ways.



http://dieoff.org/page80.htm



malaise

(268,724 posts)
5. No one wants to hear
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 03:02 PM
Aug 2013

All of our threads on the subject have been sinking like stones and M$Greedia is certainly not covering this topic on TV.

malaise

(268,724 posts)
7. It's frightening
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 05:55 PM
Aug 2013

330 tons of contaminated water a day leaking is one thing but every day a more senior official from Japan sounds the alarm and the media and politicians are more concerned about Snowden and Russia.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
9. The leaks may represent a currently unfixable problem.
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 06:03 PM
Aug 2013

Whereas dismantling the reactor, vessel and building is not a viable option with current radiation levels. I'm not so sure there is any technology that could completely seal off the contaminated water.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
14. It cannot be allowed to go dry. The reactor must remain cooled for years, decades even.
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 06:09 PM
Aug 2013

If we fail to cool the core, we could have a catastrophic event. The only option right now is to keep pumping water in, even if the water is also leaking out.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
15. So they'll just continue to poison the Pacific Ocean?
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 06:22 PM
Aug 2013

Is that better than a meltdown? I was just reading that they've already found radioactive fish. I guess I dont understand how they can be allowed to do this to the rest of us. Its terrifying to think of this going on for years and years.

edit: typo

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
16. Would you rather the reactor and vessel exploded?
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 06:25 PM
Aug 2013

If you think contamination is bad right now, wait until the contents of the reactor are vaporized and cast out into the open air because we cut off the coolant flow.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
17. I dont know.
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 06:31 PM
Aug 2013

I dont know enough about it to say. Chernobyl vs a toxic Pacific Ocean is not a very good choice.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
18. At the very least, water is an effective neutron absorber.
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 06:33 PM
Aug 2013

I would rather have contaminated water leaking into the ocean than a cloud of radioactivity belched into the wind.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
22. Yeah. You make good points.
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 06:46 PM
Aug 2013

Im scared to see what starts washing up on Californias coast though. There should be a price to pay when these companies trash the planet.

City Lights

(25,171 posts)
20. Well those people are looney toonz, IMO.
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 06:38 PM
Aug 2013

I encourage those that think it's no big deal to head over and swim in the waters just offshore. When they're finished swimming, they can tour the plant.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
26. the heck with the swimming part
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 07:07 PM
Aug 2013

they need warm bodies inside the plants doing gainful work. I'm sure TEPCO would pay good money for that time too

spanone

(135,795 posts)
11. Japan says Fukushima leak worse than thought, government joins clean-up
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 06:06 PM
Aug 2013

(Reuters) - Highly radioactive water from Japan's crippled Fukushima nuclear plant is pouring out at a rate of 300 tonnes a day, officials said on Wednesday, as Prime Minister Shinzo Abe ordered the government to step in and help in the clean-up.

The revelation amounted to an acknowledgement that plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co (Tepco) has yet to come to grips with the scale of the catastrophe, 2 1/2 years after the plant was hit by a huge earthquake and tsunami. Tepco only recently admitted water had leaked at all.

Calling water containment at the Fukushima Daiichi station an "urgent issue," Abe ordered the government for the first time to get involved to help struggling Tepco handle the crisis.

The leak from the plant 220 km (130 miles) northeast of Tokyo is enough to fill an Olympic swimming pool in a week. The water is spilling into the Pacific Ocean, but it was not immediately clear how much of a threat it poses.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/07/us-japan-fukushima-pm-idUSBRE97601K20130807

brush

(53,743 posts)
29. And no effort is being made to stop it
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 07:28 PM
Aug 2013

Hasn't the Japanese government really downplayed it by saying it's harmless to the nearby population?

Wonder how long marine life in the oceans can take this — and I mean oceans because they're all connected. Sooner or later those daily 330 tons (330 x 365 = 120,450) will move into the Indian, Atlantic and Southern oceans.

And if the oceans are poisoned so eventually will be everything else.

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
44. So they're dumping 82,500 gallons per day?
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 06:42 AM
Aug 2013

Exactly how much waste water do they have there? Reading the article in question, it's quite light on useful technical details. What kind of CDFPA reading are they getting from their samples. What is the primary nuclide that they are concerned about?

Further background research indicates that it's groundwater that leaked into the basement, and then back out to the ocean... So how much contamination is in the basement? It also makes one wonder why they haven't begun repair efforts of the water seal in the basement. What exactly do they do there.

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