Greenwald to Reuters: "many more revelations on spying by the U.S. government" to come

[99th_Monkey]

I certainly hope that Greenwald knows how to stay safe, has good security
for himself, etc. and that he avoids driving highly computerized automobiles.
I wish him well in what he is doing.

~~~~ * ~~~~ * ~~~~ * ~~~~ * ~~~~ * ~~~~ * ~~~~ * ~~~~ *

New U.S. spying revelations coming from Snowden leak: journalist
August 6, 2013 * Reuters * By Anthony Boadles

(Reuters) - Glenn Greenwald, the American journalist who published documents leaked by fugitive former U.S. intelligence contractor Edward Snowden, plans to make new revelations "within the next 10 days or so" on secret U.S. surveillance of the Internet.

"The articles we have published so far are a very small part of the revelations that ought to be published," Greenwald on Tuesday told a Brazilian congressional hearing that is investigating the U.S. internet surveillance in Brazil.

"There will certainly be many more revelations on spying by the U.S. government and how they are invading the communications of Brasil and Latin America," he said in Portuguese.

The Rio de Janeiro-based columnist for Britain's Guardian newspaper said he has recruited the help of experts to understand some of the 15,000 to 20,000 classified documents from the National Security Agency that Snowden passed him, some of which are "very long and complex and take time to read."

Greenwald told Reuters he does not believe the pro-transparency website WikiLeaks had obtained a package of documents from Snowden, and that only he and filmmaker Laura Poitras have complete archives of the leaked material.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/07/us-usa-security-snowden-brazil-idUSBRE97600L20130807

[sabrina 1]

1. Probably not wise to announce these things in advance. Julian Assange made that mistake

when he revealed he had 'more' documents on a 'very big Bank' that could cause them some serious problems. One month later he was embroiled, as leaked in a CIA document, 'in a sex scandal'.

I am sure the opposition researchers in one of our tax funded 'Security Corps' who most likely got the contract on the 'smear Glenn Greenwald' bid, are working furiously to come up with some new talking points considering the failure of the others (maybe a new contract) to attack HIM with.

We should probably be seeing them shortly.

[99th_Monkey]

4. I quite agree, about making such "announcements" in advance of "new revelations"

Also was rather shocked to see Greenwald revealing exactly who had the only
copies of said "new revelations" in the pipeline.


But then, I'm not in his shoes. Things might look different from that vantage point.

[sabrina 1]

16. Well, I think he meant that Snowden only sent the leaks to both of them. He did say

that he is having experts go over them now to help determine what should or should not be leaked, which is what good journalists do. So it's clear that others are now in possession of them.

[99th_Monkey]

33. As I said down-string, I understood Snowden to say months ago ...

... that he had numerous copies of all the info in numerous
"undisclosed locations", set to be released en mass if he were to be
killed.

Greenwald may just be talking about the copies HE has any control
over, which may not be ALL of them.

[Cali_Democrat]

8. Maybe Assange is actually a pervert who tried to rape somebody

I know many folks think he's a saint, but perhaps he's just a sick pervert.

Sweden is the country that wants him on rape charges and he's been cowering in an embassy for over a year.

I wonder if he's even showered...probably smells like shit.

[sabrina 1]

15. You know 'many people who think he is a saint'?? Wow, no one I know ever viewed him as

anything close to a saint.

Three years now, a CIA memo discussing how to 'get him with a sex scandal', NOT A SINGLE CHARGE FILED against him, so no, I would say the odds are he was targeted by BOA and of course their cohorts who orchestrate these things to protect the Criminals on Wall St, almost 100% as time rolls on.

Let me correct you once again:

Sweden is the country that wants him on rape charges and he's been cowering in an embassy for over a year.

When you make this statement regarding this case, you lose all credibility on the issue.

NO CHARGES OF ANYTHING, (although you are supposed to keep using the word 'rape' as you are obediently doing probably inadvertently but very helpfully for the propagandists) HAVE EVER BEEN FILED IN SWEDEN OR ANYWHERE ELSE AGAINST ASSANGE!

Sorry to shout, but no matter how many times this FACT is pointed out, someone comes along and makes this false claim all over again.

THREE YEARS and NO CHARGES. Please at least try to stick to FACTs. It makes DU look bad when these false statements continue to be posted here.

[Cali_Democrat]

19. OK

An arrest warrant has been issued and he's wanted on suspicion of rape. An extradition hearing has already taken place.

And like I said, instead of facing it, he's choosing to cower in an embassy.

Sick pervert probably did rape her and he's trying to escape justice like a typical fugitive.

I hate rapists.

[sabrina 1]

27. Wrong again. The arrest warrant has nothing to do with ' charges of rape' a word so overused in this

case that tragically, for actual victims of rape, it is losing all meaning, nothing to do with 'charges' or 'rape'. It is a phony warrant issued to ask for something they already got, but I'm not about to educate you on the facts of this case. If you wanted the facts, you've had three years to get them as I did, as yes, I wanted FACTS.

Facing WHAT? He has offered over and over again, even remaining in Sweden, going voluntarily to the Swedish Police and answering all questions asked of him there, over the past three years to do what the warrant claims is what it wants, 'answer some questions'.

The question the world has right now, and the one YOU and anyone seriously interested in facts, should be asking is:

Why won't the Swedish Prosecutor follow the law and comply with Assange's multiple attempts to talk to her? Why won't she do what she needs to do?


It is clear that you know nothing about this case, it is best when that is the case, not to comment on it at all, imo.

There is NO EXCUSE as to why the Swedish Prosecutor refuses to agree to Assange's many offers to speak to her and answer all of her questions, NONE WHATSOEVER. AND she was caugh lying about it to make things worse.

I think most of the world knows why by now. There IS NO CASE and she knows it.

Shameful to see anyone who cares about truth and facts and our democracy, side with Wall St Criminals to try to silence the Press. I don't now what is happening to this country but it is bad.

At least during the Bush years I thought we had some principles, on our side of the aisle. That gave me hope. Now I realize how naive a thought that was. For some it was all about politics and 'teams' and never about principles at all.

Assange was exposing Wall St. Criminals, as he did in Iceland where rather than attack the messenger, they ARRESTED their Wall St. Criminals and their corrupt Govt officials who aided and abetted them, thanks to Wikileaks.

That is why Wikileaks scared the shit out of Wall St and they had to be stopped!! Because of what happened to them in Iceland and should have happened everywhere else.

I don't get why any democrat would be siding with those on the right who are trying to protect the targets of Wikileaks here, Wall St and Bush. I can only conclude they do not know what they are doing.

[Cali_Democrat]

29. Hahahaha

Assange v Swedish Prosecution Authority

On 18 November 2010 the Stockholm District Court upheld an arrest warrant against Assange on suspicion of rape, unlawful coercion and three cases of sexual molestation.[2] The warrant was appealed to the Svea Court of Appeal which upheld it but lowered it to suspicion of rape of a lesser degree, unlawful coercion and two cases of sexual molestation rather than three, [3][4] and the warrant was also appealed to the Supreme Court of Sweden,[5] which decided not to hear the case. At this time Assange had been living in the United Kingdom for 1–2 months. An extradition hearing took place in an English court in February 2011 to consider an application by Swedish authorities for the extradition of Assange to Sweden. The outcome of the hearing was announced on 24 February 2011, when the extradition warrant was upheld. Assange appealed to the High Court, and on 2 November 2011, the court upheld the extradition decision and rejected all four grounds for the appeal as presented by Assange's legal representatives. £19,000 costs was also awarded against Assange. On 5 December 2011, Assange was refused permission by the High Court to appeal to the Supreme Court. The High Court certified that his case raised a point of law of general public importance. The Supreme Court subsequently granted permission to appeal,[6] and heard the appeal on 1 and 2 February 2012.[7] The court reserved its judgment and dismissed the appeal on 30 May 2012.[8] Assange has said the investigation is "without basis". He remained on conditional bail in the United Kingdom[9][10][11] until on 19 June 2012 Assange sought refuge at Ecuador's Embassy in London and was granted temporary asylum. On 16 August 2012 he was granted full asylum by the Ecuadorian government.

[hootinholler]

25. But but Heeessss Diiiirrrrtttyyy!

It would be sad if it weren't so funny, and predictable.

[sabrina 1]

40. I know!! If I had known he was 'dirty', hadn't take a bath etc, I would never have believed

him when he exposed the Criminal Bankers in Iceland, NO WAY!!

The elitism revealed in this innocuous, nonsensical 'talking points' is quite stunning btw. We on the 'left' have been accused of it before, 'pretending to care about the poor' etc. but living behind our ivy covered walls safe from the dirty poor'. I used to think that was just a mean-spirited, right-wing attack, and false.

Lately I'm beginning to wonder who I have been associating with ...

[ljm2002]

61. "I know many folks think he's a saint"...

...link please?

I was going to respond in detail, but really, your last sentence says it all. There is simply no point in trying to have a discussion with someone who has closed their mind so firmly. It actually shocks me to see such mean-spirited irrelevant tripe here. It's what I would expect from a TeaBagger, not from a liberal.

[wandy]

2. And, if I time them just right, they will build to a peek right around.......

September - October of 2014.

This whole flippin mess stinks.
Including the once "we have them on the run" return of Emmanuel Goldstein.

But the good news is I found that little refrigerator magnet, tells you what color today is.

[Cali_Democrat]

3. His last few "bombshells" turned out to be total duds

The only people who even cared were internet keyboard warriors, the fringe element of the internetz.

The only programs most people even remember are PRISM and the metadata collection. So far there is no evidence of direct access to servers the way he claimed. As for the metadata phone record collection, that is something we've known about since 2006 or so and a warrant was obtained.

I wonder when his book is coming out. Interesting how he's trying to cash in on all this.

[99th_Monkey]

6. Oh I dunno. This DEA thing is getting some serious legs imho. eom

[sabrina 1]

17. Lol, not where it counts, in CONGRESS. We finally have what we expected five years ago,

a bi-partisan effort finally to begin the unraveling of the 'surveillance state' left to us by Bush, which we had almost given up any hope.

So, thank you Whistle Blowers and journalists like Greenwald who had the guts to do what our elected officials did not, UNTIL NOW.

[Mojorabbit]

32. The ACLU said it was the most info they had seen about NSA in 35 years.

Almost everyone I know from both parties are upset about it. Perhaps it is different where you reside.

[geek tragedy]

5. Why doesn't Greenwald just hand them over to Wikileaks? nt

[99th_Monkey]

7. I understood Snowden to say

months ago. that he had numerous copies of all the info in numerous
"undisclosed locations", set to be released en mass if he were to be
killed.

[geek tragedy]

9. But, why not just crowdsource it to Wikileaks and Assange? nt

[99th_Monkey]

10. That I don't know.

I don't even know what "crowdsource" is, but don't bother trying to
explain it. I'm a confirmed Luddite.

[CakeGrrl]

18. Because the spotlight won't be on GREENWALD if he does it that way.

Grift, grift, grift.

Urgency? Meh. "Look at me release this stuff!"

[sabrina 1]

42. And he lives in Brazil and he has boxes in his garage, no, that is the other guy

and he never loved Obama and, and, and, and.

Look at all the talking points. I am still hoping we find out which of our Security Contractors got the Contract on Greenwald that HB Gary lost. I KNOW someone got it because the leaked emails revealed some of what the smear campaign would entail.

I really don't like our tax dollars going to smear journalists especially when it is to protect Wall St.

[CakeGrrl]

62. No one is "smearing" Greenwald. He's putting himself in the spotlight

so he's fair game, as so many like to remind us about the POTUS and other figures.

As has been said upthread, he has other avenues to release the information if it's TRULY about what's in the public interest.

He has chosen to put his name on this, so he's a public figure. Observation and criticism of his actions go with the territory.

[Mojorabbit]

34. Perhaps he is trying not to do harm

as he said in the beginning which is why he had certain journalists review and decide what to make public.

[geek tragedy]

36. Bradley Manning wasn't so secretive--he sent a lot more documents

directly to Assange.

[Mojorabbit]

38. Which was not the best way to handle it. nt

[bvar22]

44. And look what happened to Manning.

Bet Manning would trade places with Snowden and Assange in a Heartbeat!

[geek tragedy]

50. Well, Manning didn't leave the country . . . nt

[bvar22]

56. That was his 2nd Mistake.

His 1st mistake was not holding back an Insurance Policy.

[geek tragedy]

58. Snowden doesn't have much of an insurance policy.

The USG will assume every document he took is going to be published anyways--everything he took has been compromised already.

[bvar22]

63. Then why the BOGUS attacks on Snowden...

...for NOT turning over everything he has IMMEDIATELY?

From Day One on DU I posted that the BEST approach for the US Government to take was to assume EVERYTHING is GONE,
to back quietly away from this whole debacle,
and to never mention Snowden's name EVER again.

If the USG has assumed what you say,
WHY are they making themselves look like imbecile Keystone Cops, Neighborhood Bullies, and International Hypocrites by going to such extremes as forcing down a Diplomatic Flight carrying the head of State of a Foreign Nation,
and that pathetic attempt to intimidate Putin with embarrassingly empty Trash Talk (!!!),
just to get Snowden back and in isolation?


These dots do NOT connect.

[Cali_Democrat]

11. $$$$

He's got a book coming out. Handing all the docs over to wikileaks will hurt his bottom line.

[ProSense]

12. Competing with Wikileak

for the spotlight?

<...>

The Rio de Janeiro-based columnist for Britain's Guardian newspaper said he has recruited the help of experts to understand some of the 15,000 to 20,000 classified documents from the National Security Agency that Snowden passed him, some of which are "very long and complex and take time to read."

Greenwald told Reuters he does not believe the pro-transparency website WikiLeaks had obtained a package of documents from Snowden, and that only he and filmmaker Laura Poitras have complete archives of the leaked material.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/07/us-usa-security-snowden-brazil-idUSBRE97600L20130807

US reporter says he has huge cache of Snowden files
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023415993

[sabrina 1]

20. How do you know he hasn't??

[geek tragedy]

22. asdf

The Rio de Janeiro-based columnist for Britain's Guardian newspaper said he has recruited the help of experts to understand some of the 15,000 to 20,000 classified documents from the National Security Agency that Snowden passed him, some of which are "very long and complex and take time to read."

Greenwald told Reuters he does not believe the pro-transparency website WikiLeaks had obtained a package of documents from Snowden, and that only he and filmmaker Laura Poitras have complete archives of the leaked material.

[sabrina 1]

37. Okay, so maybe he knew that Wikileaks is under surveillance due to the Wall St. Criminals

wanting to stop them from exposing anymore of their criminal banks, as Wikileaks did in Iceland. That really scared them to death, when Iceland, unlike the US, actually ARRESTED the criminals who had brought down their economy.

After that Wikileaks had to be stopped, ALL free press is a threat to Wall St Criminals, Greenwald eg, being targeted in the leaked HB Gary Emails by another criminal enterprise, Bank of Amerca, when Greenwald defended Assange's right to publish the leaks he had mentioned he was in possession of re possibly BOA.

See the problem is we remember why Greenwald and Assange and Drake and all the others who were exposing the truth about these criminals.

The Corporate Media has been completely controlled, nothing to fear from them. But all this 'new media' that sprang up over the past few years, that HAD to be reigned in.

They never learn, throughout history, in the end that bad guys lose because they always underestimate the will of the people once they are informed.

Well, I take that back, they DO realize it, which is why it is so important to them to smear and attack the messengers so the people will NOT be informed.

[Cali_Democrat]

41. Do you really think bogging people down in endless babble bolsters your argument?

I've noticed you doing this a lot. It actually makes you looks desperate. That poster proved to you the Greenwald didn't give all the docs to them and your reply is endless babble.

[sabrina 1]

45. I got it now:

'Babble' = posting FACTS.

I've noticed you posting a lot of 'stuff' that is so far removed from the facts I have had to use 'babble' to inform you of the actual facts.

'Babble' a new word for 'facts' in the 'Through the Looking Glass World' we have entered into.

I will remember that.

[Cali_Democrat]

46. That poster proved you wrong

just take your lumps and move on.

[War Horse]

23. Because he wants to control the narrative? N/T

[DesMoinesDem]

26. For the obvious reason that he has stated dozens of times and that you already know.

The point isn't to release all these documents. The point is to inform the public about what is going on. That involves going through the documents, writing about what in the documents the public should know and releasing the certain documents that can be safely released. This was obvious from the very first article about PRISM. The whole PRISM powerpoint wasn't released, only a select few slides.

[geek tragedy]

28. "writing about what in the documents the public should know "

What parts shouldn't the public know?

[sabrina 1]

49. Funny I would have thought that you of all people, would know the answer to that question

yourself. Airc, you were out front arguing FOR what Greenwald is doing now.

Let's play a game and see who wins. Just for fun, because really, I like you, sort of, you always give me the opportunity to post facts which are often sorely missing here lately.

Why don't YOU guess 'what the public should not know' regarding leaked documents.

Then we can go back and see if you agree with yourself the last time leaks were discussed here in a very big story!

I KNOW I always agree with myself, mainly because of where I am coming from.

IF you remember what you thought the public should not know and what leakers did wrong, in your opinion, then YOU WIN.

I love these games, really, even when I was a kid. LoL!

[Maedhros]

54. Wikileaks took a lot of heat on this site

for "indiscriminately" dumping too many documents - a charge that isn't true, but was leveled anyway.

It seems disingenuous to now criticize Snowden/Greenwald for not doing so.

[randome]

64. So how would he know these are 'revelations' if he hadn't already reviewed them?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[Maedhros]

69. What?

You're post makes no sense.

[Mojorabbit]

35. +100 nt

[99th_Monkey]

60. Thank you for your voice of sanity. eom

[leftstreet]

13. At least they're not spying on Americans!

Obama To Leno: 'There Is No Spying On Americans'

by Greg Henderson
August 07, 201312:44 AM


President Obama defended the , telling NBC's Jay Leno on Tuesday that: "There is no spying on Americans."

"We don't have a domestic spying program," Obama said on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. "What we do have is some mechanisms that can track a phone number or an email address that is connected to a terrorist attack. ... That information is useful."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/08/06/209692380/obama-to-leno-there-is-no-spying-on-americans

Move along, nothing to see here!

[Skittles]

14. he must think we are idiots

although he is certainly correct regarding plenty of Duers (spying is only for FURRINERS YOU KNOW)

[ProSense]

21. He's right about the spying. n/t

[Maedhros]

55. Obama thinks we're idiots?

He's counting on it!

[quinnox]

31. lol. Well, that is a relief

And if Obama said the moon was made of cheese, I would believe him.

[bvar22]

47. Ya see,

It ALL depends on what the definition of "spying" is.
I'm sure President Obama has the appropriate note from his lawyer.

[quinnox]

24. K&R, good to hear

It is hard for the power establishment to keep a lid on this when new revelations keep being released over time, despite any "terra" alerts. Those will tend to start looking suspicious to even the most unthinking sheep type after awhile.

[99th_Monkey]

30. I just hope "they" don't resort to a false flag

once the "terra" alerts stop working.

[quinnox]

39. Greenwald should probably avoid small planes

And make clear to the public he is feeling very positive about life, and is not feeling depressed or so on.

[99th_Monkey]

43. Yes. that too.

and maybe no long walks in the woods alone.

[millennialmax]

48. Documents so critical to our freedom that they only trickle out to maximize profits for the author.

[99th_Monkey]

52. There is a method to these things, which you know full well.

These snide insinuations attempting to slime Greenwald are hilariously transparently opaque.
Thanks I needed a good laugh

[millennialmax]

53. I wouldn't waste time 'sliming' GG. I've read the definition of displacement theory. eom

[Maedhros]

57. Please refer up-thread to post #54. [n/t]

[WillyT]

51. Good !!! - K & R !!!

[JNelson6563]

59. Doesn't he say say this every two weeks or so?

Must've been a dairy maid in a former life...milking this baby for personal fame for all it's worth!

Seems to me there's a lot of chrome being put on this particular vehicle (the I'm-an-important-part-of-this-story vehicle, not the actual important story). Know what they say about that in the far off land Detroit (aka "Motor City&quot ?

If it don't go, chrome it. Chrome away Mr. Greenwald, chrome away!

Julie

[UTUSN]

65. So this is the *99th* "revelation"?!1 Is it a tie with BecKKK?!1 n/t

[99th_Monkey]

67. DRIP DRIP DRIP

this way has advantage of getting broadest coverage on news cycles,
but you knew that, right?

[UTUSN]

68. As always, you've got the last, most elegant word. Hey, I've got an idea!1 Let's you and me

go to Russia and drink some vodka, no, really, LET'S!1 (I'm *SERIOUS*)

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

66. Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of news that Tyranny is coming!

Edward Snowden's Dad Calls Him 'Modern Day Paul Revere'
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/edward-snowdens-dad-calls-modern-day-paul-revere/story?id=19554337

Hmmm... who knew how influential a DU meme could be