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Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 05:34 AM Aug 2013

Pentagon doctors claim military suicides not related to combat

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Military medical researchers on Tuesday published a paper that claims mental disorders such as depression and alcohol abuse are to blame for military suicides – not combat. Record numbers of US service members killed themselves last year, with 350 taking their own lives. From 2011 to 2012, the military suicide rate increased by nearly 16 per cent. Anti-suicide organizations fear the number could increase because troops withdrawn from Afghanistan are “not effectively integrated into suicide-prevention efforts,” Kristina Kaufmann, executive director of Code of Support Foundation, told NBC after the figures were released in January.
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The researchers said they tracked 150,000 soldiers between 2001 and 2008, and found that those who killed themselves were usually heavy drinkers, suffering from depression, or had been diagnosed with manic depression. It remains unclear whether their deployments or combat exposure prompted their mental conditions – an important fact that could shed further light on the military’s effect on its members. A 2011 study published by the Journal of Psychiatry Research concluded that deployment increases the likelihood of self-destructive behavior and psychiatric problems. The report also showed an increase in mental illness among those in active duty service since 2005.

But this week’s study found that those who were deployed for longer than a year had a lower risk of suicide. As a result, the researchers suggested that rather than seek an early discharge, depressed soldiers should remain in the military and seek mental health care – a procedure that could put soldiers’ careers on the line, but that Col. Charles Engel of the Army Medical Corps believes would be more effective than an early discharge.
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But the sharpest increase in the suicide rate occurred after 2008 – a period which the military study failed to examine. Critics claim that because the analysis ended at the time the suicide level dramatically spiked, it might underestimate the impact that multiple deployments and traumatic brain injuries may have on military service members.

“Why would the authors repeatedly insist that there is no association between combat and suicide?” Dr. Stephen N. Xenakis, a psychiatrist and retired Army brigadier general, said to The New York Times. “The careful analysis of bad data generates poor evidence.”
http://rt.com/usa/pentagon-doctors-military-suicide-191/

They have no shame. Apparently they took the wrong oath-The Hypocritical Oath.
Yeah, longer deployments. That's the ticket.
Immoral morans.....

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Pentagon doctors claim military suicides not related to combat (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries Aug 2013 OP
Anyone who has been around combat vets pipoman Aug 2013 #1
I don't believe you !!!! SamKnause Aug 2013 #2
OFFS Scuba Aug 2013 #3
How does the military suicide rate compare to the non-military rate for the same demographic? hack89 Aug 2013 #4
I believe this report about as much as I believe the official Navy report on the USS Iowa incident. antigone382 Aug 2013 #5
Poor policy because of money sorefeet Aug 2013 #6
And truthfully, sorefeet Aug 2013 #7
 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
1. Anyone who has been around combat vets
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 06:54 AM
Aug 2013

Knows better...maybe seeking treatment on base is more effective...but alas, upon determination of ptsd the military is quick to seek discharge...wouldn't want them hanging around effecting morale..

SamKnause

(13,088 posts)
2. I don't believe you !!!!
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 07:21 AM
Aug 2013

Military propaganda, don't you just love it ?????

Enlisted men and women the military brass are not your friends.

They think of you as pieces they move around on a chessboard.

Their chessboard is the planet.

Their goal is empire building for corporations.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
4. How does the military suicide rate compare to the non-military rate for the same demographic?
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 08:54 AM
Aug 2013

I am digging for it but am wondering if anyone has the information already.

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
5. I believe this report about as much as I believe the official Navy report on the USS Iowa incident.
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 09:02 AM
Aug 2013

Although I will also say that I have a friend who was retired out shortly after an injury and has fought the VA for adequate compensation and physical therapy ever since. He would have been better off staying enlisted; he would have eventually been given a medical discharge, but then he could have more easily qualified for care. I don't know how much that applies to what these folks are saying.

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
6. Poor policy because of money
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 09:03 AM
Aug 2013

Doctors are trained to NOT listen to you. They follow policy 100% and will not bend the rules, use their own better judgment or deviate from that policy in any way. When the soldier realizes that the doctor is not their friend, supposedly is going to help and you get a big face full of denial, the bottom falls out and the soldier is at a dead end street and becomes desperate. The V.A. has at times when I trusted them actually had me on that dead end street with no where to go. Now combine the combat experience with the dead end street experience and you have a lethal mix and only one way out to the ignored soldier.

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