Truth has no remaining value.

[Cronus Protagonist]

And the reality is that the truth doesn't matter anyway. What matters is a vague perception and a gut feeling with a call to action.

[Ichingcarpenter]

1. So is this also a vague perception or gut feeling?

or the truth?

I'm confused now.

[Cronus Protagonist]

4. What's your gut feeling on it?

I'm guessing you're less confused now.

[Ichingcarpenter]

5. Its a part of the Englert–Greenberger duality relation

[Cronus Protagonist]

6. That may be true, but nobody cares

And my reasoning is impeccable.

[rainy]

2. Was it Rumsfeld who said " we create reality?" Nt

[Cronus Protagonist]

3. I believe so

And by "we" he meant the people who run global corporations. However, as we can see on the hypnobox, truth does not matter at all, least of all to the government and also this is pretty much the case in all mainstream media.

People trust their gut feelings over the reality, or the truth. Truth is found wanting, reality is unreal and the truth is, the gut feeling is king. And those who manipulate the gut feelings of the people, manipulate the world into their own perception of reality, facts be damned and truth be ignored.

Neo-fascism has arrived. That perfect creature yearned after by man for centuries.

[TeeYiYi]

21. The great global distraction...

When you're glued to the latest series of a show like Game of Thrones, caught up in the drama, the twists and turns of the plot, you may be missing the most intricate, massive drama imaginable; the one happening all around you, in real time.

http://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/feel_of_poppies_the_great_global_distraction/

Your comment on the "hypnobox" reminded me of this vid.

Thanks to formercia who first posted in Video and Multimedia.

TYY

[Nay]

8. Rumsfeld can create some reality in the short term, but nature bats last. And dang, I think she's

gonna be up pretty shortly.....

[pampango]

7. Certainly true of the republican base. Truth has long taken a back seat to fear, emotion and

"a gut feeling with a call to action" with them.

Perhaps, their base was just the leading edge of a more generalized rejection of truth in favor of vague perceptions - usually consistent with one's pre-existing likes and dislikes - from other parts of the political spectrum. I would like to think that the left is not as prone to rejecting truth, evidence and science, in favor of emotion and perception, but perhaps too many are falling into the same tendency.

[Igel]

9. You haven't been paying attention.

When people "know" and don't need to look at evidence and an argument to show that their position is at least plausible in that context, you get gut feelings leading to a call to action.

I've read at least a dozen OPs here in the last 24 that fall pretty much exclusively into that category. Can't tell you how many individual posts fit the bill.

In the last month or so there's been a great upsurge in accusations of trollness and sockpuppetry. Not because of a good reason, mind you. Just because the facts and argumentation didn't always support the "liberal" view (which, to my mind, is nearly a nonsequitur).

First understand. Then think. And only then get around to emoting.

[WinkyDink]

12. Um, emotions are visceral; they do not follow thought. Nor does thought follow understanding.

Basically, your list is backwards.

And how exactly are you using the term "non sequitur" ("it does not follow&quot in regards to "liberal"?

[pampango]

14. As I said, the republican base was the "leading edge" of the fear/emotion, "gut feeling" brigade.

Many liberals, even DU'ers, are falling into the same mode but still believe in facts, evidence and science to a much greater degree than conservatives.

The name-calling and motivation-questioning around here seems to come primarily when what one "knows" (never try to convince me that something I "know" might require a second look or might need to be reevaluated in light of new evidence ) is questioned, particularly so if the "questioning" contains some plausible evidence. Not wanting to take a second look at deeply held "knowledge" may primarily a characteristic of older conservatives, but I think all of us are susceptible to it.

[PowerToThePeople]

10. And if the party says that it is not four but five -- then how many?

Four.

[WinkyDink]

11. FOX/Murdoch has seen to it that people distrust the media, and the media themselves have

collaborated.

For example: The vaunted NYT and Judith Miller.

The study and writing of history as once known and respected is ignored at best and perverted at worst.

[Eleanors38]

13. Strange duplicity: Fox promos 2A commentators, but Murdoch is a grabber.

[mick063]

15. Truth is reality. What you see in every day life.

If people are struggling, that is their truth.

They will pass judgment accordingly.

[Cronus Protagonist]

16. There is no "is" to reality

And reality does not matter any more. Reality is perception, and perception is a gut feeling. And again, the truth is lacking in value under this situation.

[mick063]

17. The academics of definition don't mean crap to a person struggling.

They will become emotional and lash out, creating a different reality.

[Cronus Protagonist]

18. Maybe eventually, but meanwhile there's money to be made

...or stolen. And when is this going to happen? After an illegal war and the clear rise of neo-fascism in America, most people are totally resigned and compliant. Those who control the media control the perception, and perception is reality until it bites them in the ass, at which time it's too late to do anything effective.

[PowerToThePeople]

19. This is where we stand today. n/t

[Cronus Protagonist]

20. I just stumbled upon this video right now...

It sheds a little light on the topic.

[PowerToThePeople]

22. some thoughts.

As for the science part of it, I am a Engineer, so I understand and use the laws of physics more than most. They are a human representation of natural occurrences. They are typically very good models within their set boundaries.

As for the media? I have not experienced drone strikes first hand. I have not experienced Iraq/Afghanistan first hand. I have not had much exposure to different countries/cultures besides US. Are the stories/images fed to me true? Are they complete fabrications similar to Winston Smith's world? I would like to believe that there is some truth to them. I would not want to think that everything fed to me is a complete fabrication. But I have thought about it.

I have considered dropping out of every national scene. I have considered not reading/watching any news source. I have considered making my whole world only what I experience first hand. Keep my connections all real people that I know first hand. I imagine this is similar to what OWS has done since dropping off the national radar.

I am going to have to ponder this some more.

[Cronus Protagonist]

23. You walk in the footsteps of Descartes

"I think therefore I am." Few in the modern world are such great thinkers.