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dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 03:22 PM Aug 2013

Russia Anti-Gay Bill Admired By Some U.S. Conservatives

Usual suspects - conservative Catholic and Evangelical organizations.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/01/russia-anti-gay-bill_n_3530050.html


"You admire some of the things they're doing in Russia against propaganda," said Austin Ruse, president of the U.S.-based Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute. "On the other hand, you know it would be impossible to do that here."

Ruse, whose institute is seeking accreditation at the United Nations, plans to travel to Russia this summer to meet with government officials and civic leaders.

"We want to let them know they do in fact have support among American NGOs (non-governmental organizations) on social issues," he said.



These bigots should not be allowed back into the United States - they are TERRORISTS.
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Russia Anti-Gay Bill Admired By Some U.S. Conservatives (Original Post) dbackjon Aug 2013 OP
'Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute'----so gays are not humans? spanone Aug 2013 #1
Sorta human theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #2
as i said... spanone Aug 2013 #5
Orwell would be proud gollygee Aug 2013 #4
Irony is lost on those dumbshits...nt joeybee12 Aug 2013 #7
Definitely they are terrorists. We have them in the US and these jerks are a fine example. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2013 #3
Terrorists? Really? GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #6
Terrorism is not limited to physical attacks dbackjon Aug 2013 #8
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #10
REally? dbackjon Aug 2013 #16
Here is the FBI definition of terrorism: GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #18
To The FBI dbackjon Aug 2013 #19
terrorism was around long before the fbi 'defined it' spanone Aug 2013 #35
Hate crimes are most certainly acts of terrorism theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #60
Sad list dbackjon Aug 2013 #73
So, when people are empowered by anti-gay laws and literally bash gay people, Jamastiene Aug 2013 #63
Great post dbackjon Aug 2013 #74
FYI William769 Aug 2013 #80
Maybe their "panties are in a wad" due to the fact that Russias laws bunnies Aug 2013 #29
You don't have to be a drone to be a terrorist, you just have to create terror gollygee Aug 2013 #11
So you're afraid to go outside become some religious group might SAY something? GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #13
If they got their way and we had laws as in Russia . . . gollygee Aug 2013 #14
Gays in many countries dbackjon Aug 2013 #17
Which religious groups are killing and physically threatening gays? GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #22
Pretty much all of them dbackjon Aug 2013 #24
The Army of God is one. Jamastiene Aug 2013 #64
You want examples? theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #65
Out of the mouth of hatemongers... theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #66
You'll really appreciate THIS one! theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #67
What? There's more? theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #68
You mean there's even more than that? theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #70
Ring-a-Ding-Ding! The Salvation Army comes a-callin'! theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #71
Let me know if you'd like more examples theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #72
Actually I think in Russia it's religious groups plus the government itself totodeinhere Aug 2013 #52
Aided by the church. Religions are great about getting governments to do their dirty work. dbackjon Aug 2013 #53
I agree that that is part of it. But in the case of Putin I think he has his totodeinhere Aug 2013 #58
You create terror by threats of physical violence GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #20
They've said they want people to be arrested gollygee Aug 2013 #25
Actually, religious terror is a little more covert and insidious in the USA. TinkerTot55 Aug 2013 #54
Give them some time, the drone wars are coming, just a matter of time IMO. Short of that, they RKP5637 Aug 2013 #12
Nonsense. If anything, accusing the devout of bigotry will shut them up GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author RKP5637 Aug 2013 #21
What is excellent about that? dbackjon Aug 2013 #26
Maybe they should move to Russia! atreides1 Aug 2013 #9
yay... let's totally fuck with the definition of terrorism ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2013 #23
You don't think killing people because of who they are is terrorism? dbackjon Aug 2013 #28
which conservative is killing people again? n/t ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2013 #32
In this example, the Russian ones dbackjon Aug 2013 #33
Yep. Here's an article discussing just that issue theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #75
Well what do you expect LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #27
Not a fan of the first amendment I take it? RZM Aug 2013 #30
Big fan of the 1st Amendment dbackjon Aug 2013 #31
I don't 'want' it covered by the first amendment RZM Aug 2013 #34
That interpretation is prevalent in much of Europe, in Canada and other totodeinhere Aug 2013 #55
The first covers government actions Lordquinton Aug 2013 #57
The OP is talking about government action RZM Aug 2013 #62
'I get the impression' means 'I have to knock the OP somehow!' The impression? Frank Gorshin? Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #76
Good thing we cleared that up . . . RZM Aug 2013 #77
This is how it started in the 1930s .... napkinz Aug 2013 #36
+1, n/t RKP5637 Aug 2013 #38
Jay Leno was on Lawrence last week napkinz Aug 2013 #39
Yep, it's a pretty well proven tactic, divide and conquer. I don't trust Putin one bit, just RKP5637 Aug 2013 #43
Poor, sad little creatures, needing to find someone/something to hate because of the Zorra Aug 2013 #37
Where others fill their voids with love and kindness, these creatures fill their RKP5637 Aug 2013 #45
I wonder...do you think that they were born that way, like we were born LGBT? Zorra Aug 2013 #46
Like with many things, I think it is a mixture of heredity, predisposition, conditioning RKP5637 Aug 2013 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author dbackjon Aug 2013 #51
I AM SHOCKED SHOCKED to find that gambling is going on here. iandhr Aug 2013 #40
You could substitute LGBT or "gays" for "women" in this cartoon, generally Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #41
Very true! dbackjon Aug 2013 #44
Yep, quite true, SOS, just name changing to fit the occasion. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2013 #48
"Russia...Admired By Some U.S. Conservatives" NuclearDem Aug 2013 #42
Damn Communist sympathizers (nt) matt819 Aug 2013 #49
If they have tax exempt status, investigate it ck4829 Aug 2013 #50
C-FAM, those whore worshippers need to have their tax exempt status investigated. Dawson Leery Aug 2013 #69
K&R for assholes' exposure. Cha Aug 2013 #56
What is so disheartening is that just when we are finally making some real progress in our own totodeinhere Aug 2013 #59
The people supporting this here are either complete morons or total assholes..... AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #61
Russia Anti-Gay Bill Admired By U.S. Conservatives. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #78
True! dbackjon Aug 2013 #79

spanone

(135,823 posts)
5. as i said...
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 03:28 PM
Aug 2013

Last edited Mon Aug 12, 2013, 04:03 PM - Edit history (1)

fuck them

they should be banned from calling themselves christians....Jesus wept

Response to dbackjon (Reply #8)

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
16. REally?
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 03:36 PM
Aug 2013

I think you are on the wrong forum.


It is not about disapproval - it is about threats to OUR LIVES.


 

GiaGiovanni

(1,247 posts)
18. Here is the FBI definition of terrorism:
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 03:40 PM
Aug 2013
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005

Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).


Violence and force are part of the definition.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
60. Hate crimes are most certainly acts of terrorism
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 07:01 PM
Aug 2013

They can be violent, but they are always intended to intimidate and terrorize. This is just a sampling from the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Louisville, KY
A swastika was drawn on a gay rights activist's car, which was also sideswiped.
Type: Vandalism
Reported: 03/23/2013

Davis, CA
A gay man was allegedly beaten on the street by a man who yelled anti- gay slurs. Clayton Daniel Garzón, 19, was charged with battery with serious bodily injury, assault with means of force likely to produce great bodily injury and threats to commit a crime resulting in great bodily injury.
Type: Assault
Reported: 03/20/2013

Hillsboro, OR
A man walking with his boyfriend and their pink poodle was allegedly attacked by a man who yelled anti-gay comments. George Allen Mason Jr., 22, was arrested for investigation of second-degree intimidation, second-degree assault, unlawful use of a weapon and reckless driving.
Type: Assault
Reported: 03/02/2013

New Orleans, LA
A group of people allegedly yelled anti-gay slurs at a man who was walking hand-in-hand with another man. The man was then allegedly attacked by Jamie Hebert, 19, who was later charged with second-degree battery and committing a hate crime.
Type: Assault
Reported: 02/23/2013

New York, NY
A man who was riding on the subway with his friend was allegedly attacked by three men and three women who used anti-gay slurs.
Type: Assault
Reported: 02/18/2013

Pace, FL
Swastikas and anti-gay slurs were spray-painted on a gay man's trailer.
Type: Vandalism
Reported: 02/03/2013
Muskegon, MI
A gay man was allegedly attacked by four men outside a karaoke bar.
Type: Assault
Reported: 02/03/2013

Daytona Beach, FL
A woman was allegedly attacked in a parking lot by a man who yelled anti-gay slurs. Adam Winterstein, 32, was charged with felony battery/hate crime, felony battery causing bodily harm and resisting an officer without violence.
Type: Assault
Reported: 01/23/2013

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
63. So, when people are empowered by anti-gay laws and literally bash gay people,
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 12:28 PM
Aug 2013

sometimes murdering them, you don't consider that terrorism.

Nothing violent about this, right?



The bottom line is that these laws embolden people to commit anti-gay violence. It is not JUST the speech that is the problem, but the speech does lead to violence, all too often.

You are conveniently overlooking the part of the definition you quoted that is relevant: "or any segment thereof" The violence is directed at a segment thereof to "intimidate or coerce" the rest.

You are completely missing the point.
 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
29. Maybe their "panties are in a wad" due to the fact that Russias laws
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 03:52 PM
Aug 2013

are being used as an excuse for vigilante shitheads to run around kidnapping and torturing gay kids with impunity. THAT is the kind of thing these RW assholes are a-ok with. And if YOU dont think thats terrorism then I think you need to revisit the meaning of the word.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
11. You don't have to be a drone to be a terrorist, you just have to create terror
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 03:32 PM
Aug 2013

You have to make a group of people afraid to live their lives because of the terror you've created.

A law making you afraid to go outside in case someone can tell your gay and considers you to be committing the vague and subjective act of "propaganda" because you can be thrown in jail for two weeks would qualify as terrorism in my opinion.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
14. If they got their way and we had laws as in Russia . . .
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 03:35 PM
Aug 2013

If they said they thought I was committing "propaganda" and could convince someone to arrest me, then yes that's something to be afraid of.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
24. Pretty much all of them
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 03:46 PM
Aug 2013

Evangelical Christians and Catholics in Africa
Muslims in the Middle East and Africa
Hindus in India
Orthodox Christians in Russia
Christians in the US

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
64. The Army of God is one.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 01:33 PM
Aug 2013

Eric Rudolph is best known for bombing the Olympics in Atlanta and the abortion clinic in Alabama, but he also bombed a lesbian bar, injuring five.

From his statement read at his sentencing:
" The next attack in February was at The Otherside Lounge. Like the assault at the abortion mill, two devices were used. The first device was designed not necessarily to target the patrons of this homosexual bar, but rather to set the stage for the next device, which was again targeted at Washington's agents. The attack itself was meant to send a powerful message in protest of Washington's continued tolerance and support for the homosexual political agenda.
Despite the inherent dangers involved in timed devices, all of these devices used in both of these assaults functioned within the parameters of the plan, and I make no apologies."

This quote can be found on The Army Of God web site. I won't link to it here, because I consider that a hate group, but is is easy enough to find.

Christianity:
This one is tired directly back to religious conservatives in America.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill

Islam, specifically Sharia Law:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Islam#Modern_day
Hanging is pretty violent, especially when done this way to inflict the most pain possible.

(WARNING: GRAPHIC)




-------------(end WARNING: GRAPHIC)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/14/iran-gay-men-executed-hanging_n_1515207.html

These are very few examples. There are numerous others, all involving violence against gay people by religious authorities, theocratic governments, and individual religious people who feel the need to torture and/or kill gay people in the name of their deity.

Really, we shouldn't have to look all this up for you. Instead, when numerous people tell you this is how it is, you should take your head out of the sand and do some research yourself. Or will you still refuse to believe the truth even after it has been presented to you? I have a gut feeling I know the answer to this question already. You would have to have been living with your head in the sand not to know the ones I listed above, at the very least.










theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
65. You want examples?
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 02:01 PM
Aug 2013

I can provide them. Here's one.

http://americablog.com/2013/05/catholic-rel-rt-anti-gay-march-in-paris-against-turns-violent.html
More violence in Paris as French anti-gay right co-opted by extremists, supremacists
5/27/2013 2:32pm by John Aravosis

Yet another anti-gay march in Paris, organized by the Catholic Church, the religious right, and France’s opposition conservative party UMP, has gone terribly violent, as the French anti-gay movement becomes increasingly taken over by white supremacists, and other violent far-right extremists.

The AP documents yesterday’s violence in these vivid photos.

France recently legalized gay marriages, as part of a campaign promise made by French President François Hollande. The first marriage of a gay couple will take place this coming Wednesday.

The increasing violence at the ongoing anti-gay protests are more than just an embarrassment for France’s nascent religious right, which in France is run by the Catholic Church. It’s also a shameful black eye for America’s religious right, which up until now took pride in its close ties to France’s anti-gay movement....

Here's one of the victims of their anti-gay terrorism:

Clement Meric, 18 year old pro-gay college student, France, murdered by skinheads, June 2013.
http://americablog.com/2013/06/french-religious-right-gay-kid-wouldnt-be-dead-from-hate-crime-if-you-hadnt-legalized-gay-marriage.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/06/clement-meric-dead-skinhead-attack_n_3397221.html

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
66. Out of the mouth of hatemongers...
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 02:04 PM
Aug 2013
http://www.edgeonthenet.com/news/religion/news/145063/in_wake_of_anti-gay_violence,_catholic_cardinal_launches_new_attack_on_same-sex_families

In Wake of Anti-Gay Violence, Catholic Cardinal Launches New Attack on Same-Sex Families
by Kilian Melloy
Tuesday May 28, 2013

2013 is only half over, but New York City has seen almost twice as many anti-gay hate crimes take place this year as in 2012. This, a May 26 New Civil Rights article noted, is part and parcel of a rising trend in recent years of violence targeting gays. But that worrisome uptick in brutal physical attacks against victims based on their sexual orientation didn’t stop Cardinal Timothy Dolan for calling for Catholic priests nationwide to preach from the pulpit against family equality.

Moreover, Dolan chose the month of June -- traditionally the month when cities around the country and around the world celebrate Pride -- to launch this latest attack on same-sex families by the Catholic Church.

"Dolan, who is the President of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), and thus the top representative of the Roman Catholic Church in America, is also the Archbishop of New York, but has said not one word about the skyrocketing anti-LGBT violent hate crimes in his own back yard," the New Civil Rights Movement article noted.

"According to police, they have seen a 70 per cent spike in violent incidents targeting the LGBT community, from 14 last year to 29 in 2013," a Daily Mail article said, going on to report on the response from local GLBT equality leaders....

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
67. You'll really appreciate THIS one!
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 02:11 PM
Aug 2013
http://bilgrimage.blogspot.com/2013/04/quote-for-day-catholic-hierarchy-and.html
Monday, April 15, 2013
Quote for the Day: Catholic Hierarchy and Responsibility for Anti-Gay Violence

"It was not Frigide Barjot who was hitting my head, or the bishop of Avignon lurking in that street to attack us. But they are responsible."
The statement is by Wilfred de Bruijn, a gay man savagely beaten along with his partner in Paris a week ago yesterday by several thugs shouting homophobic slogans as de Brujin and his boyfriend were walking in their neighborhood. Thomas Adamson at Huffington Post, John Aravosis at Americablog Gay, and Janine di Giovanni at Daily Beast describe the attack, in which de Bruijn's face was shattered with multiple fractures.

As John Aravosis notes, this attack comes on the heels of a promise by anti-gay religious right groups in France to spill blood after the French government approved marriage equality. And as Aravosis also notes, those groups have very close ties to the anti-gay (and strongly Catholic) group National Organization for Marriage in the U.S., which has been collaborating with (and, according to some commentators, helping orchestrate and fund) demonstrations against marriage equality in France that have already resulted in violent actions by demonstrators.

What's going on with the fascist backlash against gay rights in France puts Janine di Giovanni in mind of the rise of Nazism in Germany in the 1930s. As she notes, "I cannot help but think about the rise of Fascism in Europe in the 1930s and the shocking way in which even the most gentrified people suddenly turned insane in the face of something they considered different. Human beings resist change, and in those days, it was socialism or communism or the rise of the common worker, which turned gangs of thugs loose on the streets. Now it is gay rights."

MORE

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
68. What? There's more?
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 02:14 PM
Aug 2013
http://www.towleroad.com/2013/04/frances-top-catholic-bishop-says-gay-marriage-will-cause-violence.html
04/16/2013

France's Top Catholic Bishop Says Gay Marriage Will Cause Violence
By Andy Towle

Cardinal Andre Wingt-Trois, France's top Catholic bishop told a meeting of French bishops that the government risked inciting more violence by "rushing" a marriage equality law through the legislature, Reuters reports:

Vingt-troisVingt-Trois, the archbishop of Paris, said the difference between the sexes was a basic human trait and denying it by legalizing marriage and adoption for homosexuals would weaken society's ability to manage its differences peacefully.

"This is the way a violent society develops," he told the spring meeting of the French bishops' conference. "Society has lost its capacity of integration and especially its ability to blend differences in a common project." ...

...Vingt-Trois accused the government of rushing the law through parliament without sufficient public debate...

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
70. You mean there's even more than that?
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 02:20 PM
Aug 2013
http://tgvnews.com/2013/07/anti-gay-christian-group-freedom-fighters-on-marriage-equality/
Anti-Gay Christian Group ” Freedom Fighters ” On Marriage Equality
By David Volz On 1 Jul, 2013 At 08:50 PM

An anti-gay Christian group published an open letter to the public, vowing to refuse gay marriage even it is legalized. The group which calls themselves “Freedom Fighters,” consists of over 200 anti-gay conservatives.

The open letter which was posted online, The Freedom Federation, who boast ‘Real hope, Real change, Real freedom,’ promise to ignore the Supreme Court’s ruling if it changes the definition of marriage to include same-sex couples. The letter was co-drafted by Mathew Staver, chairman of legal ministry Liberty Counsel Action, who has said that gay marriage will lead to polygamy and civil war.
The letter ‘in the defense of marriage’ was also signed by Tony Perkins, head of the Family Research Council who has said Google is trying to destroy family values with gay rights.

<snipping>

The two-page letter concludes with a warning not to test the groups by legalizing gay marriage. Seven pages of anti-gay conservative Christian’s signatures end with the statement;“Make no mistake about our resolve. While there are many things we can endure, redefining marriage is so fundamental to the natural order and the true common good that this is the line we must draw and one we cannot and will not cross.”

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
71. Ring-a-Ding-Ding! The Salvation Army comes a-callin'!
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 02:25 PM
Aug 2013
http://tgvnews.com/2013/06/salvation-army-says-gays-need-to-be-put-to-death/

Salvation Army says “Gays Need to Be Put to Death”
By David Volz on 6 Jun, 2013

(excerpt)
“ Ryan: According to the Salvation Army gay parents deserve death. How do you respond to that, as part of your doctrine?”

“Craibe: Well, that’s a part of our belief system.”

Ryan: So they should die.”

“Craibe: You know, we have an alignment to the Scriptures, but that’s our belief.”

“Ryan: You’re proposing in your doctrine that because these parents are gay, that they must die.”

“Craibe: Well, well, because that is part of our Christian doctrine “

“Ryan: But how is that Christian? Shouldn’t it be about love?”

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
72. Let me know if you'd like more examples
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 02:30 PM
Aug 2013

I don't want to hog all the bandwidth, so to speak. There are just so many examples of faith-based terrorism I have a hard time picking and choosing, being a Libran and all.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
52. Actually I think in Russia it's religious groups plus the government itself
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 06:21 PM
Aug 2013

that have struck fear in the hearts of LGBT's.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
58. I agree that that is part of it. But in the case of Putin I think he has his
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 06:39 PM
Aug 2013

own twisted political reasons for this quite part from any religious motives but he does find religious conservatives to be a useful ally.

 

GiaGiovanni

(1,247 posts)
20. You create terror by threats of physical violence
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 03:41 PM
Aug 2013

Has the Catholic League said they are going to beat you senseless?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
25. They've said they want people to be arrested
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 03:47 PM
Aug 2013

If they got their way and we did have similar laws, people would get arrested, which can create terror whether or not there is physical violence, although certainly people often suffer violence when they're arrested and incarcerated.

TinkerTot55

(198 posts)
54. Actually, religious terror is a little more covert and insidious in the USA.
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 06:29 PM
Aug 2013

Religious folk ( to be distinguished from truly good and spiritual people ) may smile at you and mouth the "love the sinner, hate the sin" platitudes, but the real terror comes from not knowing if the people you love ( partners, children ) will have your job benefits to cover them, or if they'll be able to be with you in a hospital if you're ill or dying, and all the other basic rights that most of us straight folk take for granted.

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
12. Give them some time, the drone wars are coming, just a matter of time IMO. Short of that, they
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 03:33 PM
Aug 2013

are psychological terrorists.

 

GiaGiovanni

(1,247 posts)
15. Nonsense. If anything, accusing the devout of bigotry will shut them up
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 03:36 PM
Aug 2013

lest they be accused of "hate crimes"

Response to GiaGiovanni (Reply #15)

atreides1

(16,072 posts)
9. Maybe they should move to Russia!
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 03:31 PM
Aug 2013

And take all of their bigoted members with them!

Where exactly do they get the nerve to use the words "Human Rights" in their organization's title?

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
23. yay... let's totally fuck with the definition of terrorism
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 03:46 PM
Aug 2013

and just make any ole thing we want terrorism!

sP

(hint : words have NO meaning when they have ALL meanings)

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
75. Yep. Here's an article discussing just that issue
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 06:19 PM
Aug 2013
http://prospect.org/article/exporting-anti-gay-movement
Exporting the Anti-Gay Movement
REV. DR. KAPYA KAOMA
APRIL 24, 2012
How sexual minorities in Africa became collateral damage in the U.S. culture wars

In October 2010, a banner headline ran on the front page of the Ugandan newspaper Rolling Stone: “100 Pictures of Uganda’s Top Homos Leak.” Subheadings warned of these people’s dark designs: “We Shall Recruit 1,000,000 Kids by 2012,” and “Parents Now Face Heartbreaks as Homos Raid Schools.” One of the two men pictured on the front page was David Kato, an outspoken leader of Uganda’s small human-rights movement. Inside the newspaper, his name and home address, along with those of other LGBT Ugandans, were printed. The article called for the “homos” to be hanged.

Three months later, after numerous threats, Kato was bludgeoned to death in his Kampala home. Police said the motive was robbery, but human-rights advocates did not believe the official story. At Kato’s funeral, an Anglican priest condemned homosexuality. Kato’s death was international news, making him the highest-profile victim of the anti-gay hysteria that has enveloped much of sub-Saharan Africa over the past decade. Although U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has joined other Western diplomats in being openly critical of African political leaders who fail to defend the rights of their LGBT populations, the crisis afflicting sexual minorities on the continent has its origins in the United States. Pejorative attitudes toward LGBT people in Africa have long been widespread. But the recent upsurge in politicized homophobia has been inspired by right-wing American evangelicals who have exported U.S.–style culture-war politics.

The best-known example of these efforts is Uganda’s Anti-Homosexuality Bill. Introduced in the fall of 2009, the bill imposed the death penalty for certain homosexual acts and criminalized human-rights advocacy on behalf of sexual minorities. It grew directly out of a well-attended conference, the “Seminar on Exposing the Truth behind Homosexuality and the Homosexual Agenda,” that took place in the capital, Kampala, in March. To put on the conference, the Uganda-based Family Life Network, which is supported by U.S. Christian-right groups, teamed with two leading anti-gay activists from the States, Holocaust revisionist Scott Lively and Dan Schmierer of the ex-gay group Exodus International. The seminar attracted high-profile religious leaders, parliamentarians, police officers, teachers, and concerned parents. I videotaped the proceedings.

The marquee speaker was Lively, head of the anti-gay Abiding Truth Ministries in Massachusetts and author of The Pink Swastika, which claims that homosexuals invented Nazism and were instrumental in the Holocaust. Lively began his anti-gay campaigning in the early 1990s as communications director of the Oregon Citizens Alliance (OCA), which sponsored a spate of ballot initiatives to deny civil rights and state benefits to LGBT people. The OCA warned of the alleged homosexual threat to children. Ballot Measure 9, which failed in 1992, would have added this text to the state’s constitution: “All governments in Oregon may not use their monies or properties to promote, encourage or facilitate homosexuality, pedophilia, sadism or masochism. All levels of government, including public education systems, must assist in setting a standard for Oregon’s youth which recognizes that these behaviors are abnormal, wrong, unnatural and perverse and they are to be discouraged and avoided.”…. MORE at link

LostOne4Ever

(9,288 posts)
27. Well what do you expect
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 03:47 PM
Aug 2013

Conservatives have been wrong on EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ISSUE SINCE THIS COUNTRY BEGAN.

Slavery
sufferage
segregation
Civil and equal rights for women and minorities
The New Deal
Social Security
WWI and WWII
Vietnam
Iraq war
Evolution
etc.
etc.
etc.
Patriot act

AND now gay rights. They go out of their to stand on the side of hatred, bigotry and intolerance EVERY SINGLE TIME. Its almost tempting to not even think about issues as you know that if they take a side on it....it will be the wrong side.

But, being a liberal...i like thinking. Too bad the same can't be said about those morons.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
30. Not a fan of the first amendment I take it?
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 03:56 PM
Aug 2013

It's pretty lame to praise Russia's troubling anti-gay laws. But so what? It's also protected speech.

This loser has every right to jabber all day long. Criticize as much as you want. But once you start talking about using state power to sanction speech like this, you're in the authoritarian club.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
31. Big fan of the 1st Amendment
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 03:59 PM
Aug 2013

But when speech is used to promote terrorism, hate, killings and beatings, the 1st Amendment doesn't qualify.


And I find it ironic that you want THEIR speech covered by the first Amendment, when the law they are applauding would make MY Speech illegal.



 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
34. I don't 'want' it covered by the first amendment
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 04:02 PM
Aug 2013

It IS covered by the first amendment.

Russia's law wouldn't fly here for the same reason. It would be unconstitutional and struck down by the courts real fast. And the dumbass even acknowledged that in his statement.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
55. That interpretation is prevalent in much of Europe, in Canada and other
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 06:32 PM
Aug 2013

places. But here we bend over backward to protect the 1st Amendment and there has been an ongoing debate over whether the 1st Amendment should allow hate speech or not. The courts have been all over the map on this by the way.

Hate speech has been an issue which has plagued the Supreme Court for a number of years. It has presented a classic debate between the freedom granted to citizens of the United States by the First Amendment of the Constitution, and the order required for a well-maintained state. This struggle has been played out in many cases, ranging from those which deal with group libel, to Ku Klux Klan demonstrations, to cross-burning and other related issues as symbols of expression. All of these questions have been raised amongst great controversy in the Court and throughout the country.

http://www.gvpt.umd.edu/gvpt339/Street.htm

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
57. The first covers government actions
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 06:39 PM
Aug 2013

The OP and yuou and I can say whatever we want, and say that they are in the wrong.

Hate speech is also not covered by the first.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
62. The OP is talking about government action
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 11:43 PM
Aug 2013

Of course we can say whatever we like. But I get the impression the OP desires something more.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
76. 'I get the impression' means 'I have to knock the OP somehow!' The impression? Frank Gorshin?
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 06:42 PM
Aug 2013

Monet? Precursor for dental work? You get the impression?

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
39. Jay Leno was on Lawrence last week
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 04:52 PM
Aug 2013

I know Leno is probably on the right, but EVEN HE GETS IT!

He said, this is how it started in Germany. First they come for one group, then it's another, and another and another.

I'm with George Takei ... boycott the Olympics.










RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
43. Yep, it's a pretty well proven tactic, divide and conquer. I don't trust Putin one bit, just
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 05:05 PM
Aug 2013

looking at him gives me the creeps, and IMO he is so KGB looking.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
37. Poor, sad little creatures, needing to find someone/something to hate because of the
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 04:29 PM
Aug 2013

spiritual emptiness and lovelessness that extends infinitely within their lost, miserable being.

What an absolutely horrible life they have. I am soooo glad I have been blessed by the universe by not being them. I hope things get better for them some day.

"God bless us, every one."

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
45. Where others fill their voids with love and kindness, these creatures fill their
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 05:09 PM
Aug 2013

voids with hatred and persecutory behavior. They are godless creatures from hell.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
46. I wonder...do you think that they were born that way, like we were born LGBT?
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 05:15 PM
Aug 2013

Or is it just a hateful lifestyle that they chose?

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
47. Like with many things, I think it is a mixture of heredity, predisposition, conditioning
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 05:19 PM
Aug 2013

and life experiences.

Response to RKP5637 (Reply #47)

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,994 posts)
41. You could substitute LGBT or "gays" for "women" in this cartoon, generally
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 05:00 PM
Aug 2013

It's generally representative of the christian republicans, especially dominionists who are a particularly vile bunch.


totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
59. What is so disheartening is that just when we are finally making some real progress in our own
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 06:58 PM
Aug 2013

country we see a major world power with 140 million people going in the opposite direction. The battle for LGBT rights is obviously a world-wide one and it will continue for a long time.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
61. The people supporting this here are either complete morons or total assholes.....
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 07:05 PM
Aug 2013

And I suspect that the majority of them are the latter.....WTF is wrong with American conservatives today, dammit?!?!?

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