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(85,986 posts)
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 10:04 AM Aug 2013

Disenfranchised 92yo black woman sues just hours after NC gov. signs voter ID law

from Raw Story:



Just hours after North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory (R) signed a sweeping voter ID measure into law, a 92-year-old African-American woman has sued the state claiming that her constitutional rights had been violated.

At a bill signing with no formal ceremony on Monday, McCrory quietly signed the Republican bill that will require a voters to present a government-issued ID, cuts early voting days, stops same-day registration, ends “straight ticket” party voting, makes it harder for students to vote and gives poll watchers new powers for challenging voters.

The first lawsuit, filed by the NAACP, says that 92-year-old Rosanell Eaton will be disenfranchised after voting for 70 years.

“Mrs. Eaton, who was born at home, has a current North Carolina driver’s license, but the name on her certified birth certificate does not match the name on her driver’s license or the name on her voter registration card,” the lawsuit notes. “Mrs. Eaton will incur substantial time and expense to correct her identification documents to match her voter registration record in order to meet the new requirements.”


read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/13/92-year-old-black-woman-sues-just-hours-after-north-carolina-gov-signs-voter-id-law/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


July 15th, 2013 - 92 year-old Moral Monday arresstee and Civil Rights Veteran Rosa Nell Eaton speaks at the 11th Wave Moral Monday rally at the North Carolina General Assembly.



related:

The American Civil Liberties Union, the ACLU of North Carolina Legal Foundation, and the Southern Coalition for Social Justice filed a lawsuit Monday challenging the voter suppression law
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/politics&id=9203508
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Disenfranchised 92yo black woman sues just hours after NC gov. signs voter ID law (Original Post) bigtree Aug 2013 OP
Good. So glad to see people fighting this. TDale313 Aug 2013 #1
Mrs. Eaton can probably hardly believe . . . Brigid Aug 2013 #2
Can't shame the shameless demwing Aug 2013 #49
Another one that will sink to the bottom JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #3
Indeed, JustAnotherGen, please read here: freshwest Aug 2013 #52
cosign on this post JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #95
Just stumbled back on this one... I agreed with it but didn't reply. Your words have come true! freshwest Sep 2014 #113
Shameful isn't it? JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #114
Yes, and only a strong GOTV will drive these guys from power. I'm encouraged by GA, MA and CO. freshwest Sep 2014 #115
its not those that whine about how horrible Obama is obxhead Aug 2013 #65
Can you clarify this JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #93
Not relevant RitchieRich Aug 2013 #97
You don't think VRA is relevant? JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #98
missed my point. I dislike how BOTH sides are attacking rights RitchieRich Aug 2013 #99
Thaks for the clarification JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #100
hope I wasn't snarky RitchieRich Aug 2013 #106
Love to the ACLU and NAACP! roody Aug 2013 #4
these people make me sick arely staircase Aug 2013 #5
There's a simple solution to this. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #6
That is a brillant idea Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #7
Sheer genius. Brigid Aug 2013 #9
I have kind of wondered if that isn't the best strategy Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #10
Between the gerrymandered districts and corporate money and corporate-programmed voting machine loudsue Aug 2013 #11
loudsue, please Duval Aug 2013 #54
Thank you for your activism, Duval. loudsue Aug 2013 #62
You can live in a gerrymandered precinct and still get enough SaveAmerica Aug 2013 #85
It is the best strategy Half-Century Man Aug 2013 #14
Haven't read what the "substantial" cost is. Igel Aug 2013 #57
Door to Door Democracy Half-Century Man Aug 2013 #13
+1000 theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #20
Love. n/t OneGrassRoot Aug 2013 #27
Just make voting mandatory. PADemD Aug 2013 #31
it works for Australia marions ghost Aug 2013 #39
I was so surprised when my Australian son-in-law told me that. Blue_In_AK Aug 2013 #69
I wish more Americans did marions ghost Aug 2013 #73
One problem : Brigid Aug 2013 #47
fuck no! unless.... tomp Aug 2013 #89
Do you reply the same way to PADemD Aug 2013 #92
I have serious questions about the draft and taxes tomp Aug 2013 #109
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2013 #37
Right on! Enthusiast Aug 2013 #45
We're decentralized in the US. Igel Aug 2013 #55
Crap. I didn't know that. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #56
Love that idea NJCher Aug 2013 #58
It doesn't have to be expensive or inconvenient to get a Federal voter ID. PADemD Aug 2013 #63
I believe the cost and disenfranchisement comes in the form of fees to SaveAmerica Aug 2013 #86
I'm OK with that too. I hope people use the next several months to slap ecstatic Aug 2013 #81
Our vote is our only remaining tool. riqster Aug 2013 #8
K&R forestpath Aug 2013 #12
Hope I get to be a cool old person when I become... Half-Century Man Aug 2013 #15
You made me laugh ; ) SaveAmerica Aug 2013 #87
Last year, PA had then-93 yo Vivette Applewhite as a lead plaintiff BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #16
Bless you Mrs. Eaton. johnnyreb Aug 2013 #17
They weren't trying to discriminate against racial and ethnic minorities..... freemay20 Aug 2013 #18
Denying straight-ticket voting? joeybee12 Aug 2013 #19
Any angle they can invent to resurrect Jim Crow theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #21
Pretty soon it'll just be 5 teabaggers voting... joeybee12 Aug 2013 #23
Wisconsin Republicans also abolished straight-ticket voting dragonlady Aug 2013 #30
It's a tactic to slow down the lines so that fewer people can vote. Triana Aug 2013 #66
Repukes don't want people to vote...the fewer the voters, the better their chances... joeybee12 Aug 2013 #68
States Rights! States Rights! Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #22
15th Amendment! 15th Amendment! bigtree Aug 2013 #24
What 15th Amendment - sarcasm Iliyah Aug 2013 #34
Hooray for Ms. Eaton and the Moral Monday protesters. mountain grammy Aug 2013 #25
She has a valid driver's license OnlinePoker Aug 2013 #26
Her voter registration matches her birth cert, not her DL. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #28
In effect, a poll tax. PADemD Aug 2013 #32
Precisely. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #33
I'll play devil's advocate. Igel Aug 2013 #59
Every single state is different. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #60
It's not what is takes to register - it's the time and money to get the photo ID csziggy Aug 2013 #96
Which "right name?" Jamastiene Aug 2013 #104
How much does voter registration cost in North Carolina? Pterodactyl Aug 2013 #79
I Don't know, but a dollar is too much for voting purposes. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #82
I looked it up. You need to fill out form and use a postage stamp. Pterodactyl Aug 2013 #94
Did you read the article? BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #29
Kudos to everyone who protests this law! perdita9 Aug 2013 #35
This woman is 92? I know people in their 50s louis-t Aug 2013 #36
Those were my thoughts, too. locdlib Aug 2013 #42
More good news for Democrats. Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #38
Always Refer To These Laws As Voter Suppression Laws DallasNE Aug 2013 #40
another thing Cryptoad Aug 2013 #41
What sort of ideology drives people to make it HARDER for people to vote in a democracy? RedCappedBandit Aug 2013 #43
Kicked and Recommended. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #44
This is a loong tough fight!! What a beautiful role model this Lady is!! Much Thanks to Her!! <3 hue Aug 2013 #46
Thank you, Miss Rosa. n/t Orsino Aug 2013 #48
She's an example for all of us. Long may she live, and may she prevail in this case! freshwest Aug 2013 #50
People like her LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #51
no court in the land will uphold these laws.......none spanone Aug 2013 #53
Ohh, I think there are some State courts that will. The lawsuits will take time and money... Hekate Aug 2013 #61
There is NO problem with voter fraud...The GOP's PROBLEM is with the universal franchise. Faryn Balyncd Aug 2013 #64
The GOP wants to take "the country back" ... napkinz Aug 2013 #67
What are our congressional leaders doing to rectify this? octoberlib Aug 2013 #70
cartoon ... napkinz Aug 2013 #71
God bless you, Ms. Rosanell Number23 Aug 2013 #72
Kick Scuba Aug 2013 #74
Fed up.... Fired up!!!! Isoldeblue Aug 2013 #75
Bravo! (nt) Babel_17 Aug 2013 #76
This is why Jamaal510 Aug 2013 #77
Welcome to the new poll tax. Jimmy Crow, you came back! Nanjing to Seoul Aug 2013 #78
The more I hear about NC's latest move, with the backdrop of the Supreme Court ruling, ecstatic Aug 2013 #80
She likely met lots of old ex-slaves while young herself. Coyotl Aug 2013 #83
I hope I look half that good when I'm 92! blackspade Aug 2013 #84
She's awesome but so sad to watch as we slide back into the past SaveAmerica Aug 2013 #88
She is looking great at 92! meti57b Aug 2013 #90
K&R n/t myrna minx Aug 2013 #91
Plain wrong AudioXzibit Aug 2013 #101
Good for her! nt historylovr Aug 2013 #102
I need to get on the ball too, because my full name is five names long. Jamastiene Aug 2013 #103
K & R Scurrilous Aug 2013 #105
kick! loyalsister Aug 2013 #107
Your Guide to North Carolina Republicans' War on Voting napkinz Aug 2013 #108
Wow she looks great Egnever Aug 2013 #110
The republicans can only win by cheating. B Calm Aug 2013 #111
Rachel Maddow: War on student voting next step for NC Republicans napkinz Aug 2013 #112

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
2. Mrs. Eaton can probably hardly believe . . .
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 10:13 AM
Aug 2013

She is having to fight this battle all over again.

Shame, shame, Governor McCrory! Shame!

JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)
3. Another one that will sink to the bottom
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 10:16 AM
Aug 2013

So kick/rec.

These fools whining about how horrible President Obama is? Ain't seen nothing yet when the Republicans completely take over this country in 2016.

They can't see that even if I can vote? Maybe I won't. MLK would be tickled pink to see President Obama as well- the President. He would be PROUD - the good, the bad, and the ugly. He would be proud. Dismiss and diminish black Americans and one we all identify with? Well . . .

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
52. Indeed, JustAnotherGen, please read here:
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 04:10 PM
Aug 2013
Whiteness, NSA Spying and the Irony of Racial Privilege

By Tim Wise - June 19, 2013

(Going with just the four of the paragraphs I think are important, but it is worth the time to read it all. It goes into what most of us know and had to consider. Wise covers all sides with his usual clarity, cutting through it all to get to what's really important.)

...That said, I also must admit to a certain nonchalance in the face of the recent revelations about the National Security Agency’s snooping into phone records, and the dust-up over the leaking of the NSA’s program by Ed Snowden. And as I tried to figure out why I wasn’t more animated upon hearing the revelations — and, likewise, why so many others were — it struck me. Those who are especially chapped about the program, about the very concept of their government keeping tabs on them — in effect profiling them as potential criminals, as terrorists — are almost entirely those for whom shit like this is new: people who have never before been presumed criminal, up to no good, or worthy of suspicion.

In short, they are mostly white. And male. And middle-class or above. And most assuredly not Muslim.

And although I too am those things, perhaps because I work mostly on issues of racism, white privilege and racial inequity — and because my mentors and teachers have principally been people of color, for whom things like this are distressingly familiar — the latest confirmation that the U.S. is far from the nation we were sold as children is hardly Earth-shattering. After all, it is only those who have had the relative luxury of remaining in a child-like, innocent state with regard to the empire in which they reside who can be driven to such distraction by something that, compared to what lots of folks deal with every day, seems pretty weak tea.

...These are the crimes of empire. These and a lot more. And it didn’t take Edward Snowden to tell you about them. They’ve been hiding in plain sight for a long time.


http://www.timwise.org/2013/06/whiteness-nsa-spying-and-the-irony-of-racial-privilege/#print

Someone retorted to me on a post, that just because Obama had brought about equality of opportunity, and he was going to be groped by POC or women, it didn't make it right, and he was not going to accept his rights being infringed!

'Well, Doh!' I thought, but didn't say anything. Sadly, what goes around, comes around. Welcome to the world of those who didn't and still don't, have privilege:



Hey, you guys don't like having your 'junk' being groped at the airport?

Try some real groping.

Mandated for daring to ask for a legal procedure. You will be billed for it as well, despite your not wanting to have that thing jammed all the way up...

There you go, little ladies, we know what's best for you.

'Just close your eyes and think of... Liberty? Freedom? Privacy rights?'


No fourth amendment for you, sweetie.

The Fourth Amendment (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, along with requiring any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause. It was adopted as a response to the abuse of the writ of assistance, which is a type of general search warrant, in the American Revolution. Search and seizure (including arrest) should be limited in scope according to specific information supplied to the issuing court, usually by a law enforcement officer, who has sworn by it. The Fourth Amendment applies to the states by way of the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

Paul Ryan has promised the GOP will repeal the Fourteenth Amendment with its clauses for Equal Protection under the law, Birthright Citizenship and Due Process when they get enough red states, through state conventions. It's on a video thread posted at DU.

I call it a 'clear and present danger' to life and liberty of well, uh, women, since it's apparent in the 'hands on' fascism enacted state by state by the GOP, that females need the Fourth and Fourteenth Amedments. Strangely enough, there doesn't seem to be much concern about how they apply to women.

Animal Farm. All animals are created equal. But some animals are more equal than others.

ALL YOUR UTERI ARE BELONG TO US.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014523420#post22

That's half the population being ignored there. It is not that I want to have people drug down, but to open their eyes to what has been going on that they did benefit from, but they yell that they are 'not racist' or sexist or whatever, when they didn't care before.

Did they hear the voices of those crying before, and why do they still refuse to pay attention to them now, is the question. They never respond to the issues you are speaking of here, JAG.

They are libertarians passing themselves off as liberals, only support their libertarian heroes. It's the reason they say 'both parties are the same' as they aren't Democrats, so to them, that's not lying. They are here taking advantage of the platform DU affords, to use the servers for which we are all paying.

And the 'I'm disappointed with Obama,' crowd, also elaborated upon by Wise in his piece I've quoted here:

http://www.timwise.org/2012/01/of-broken-clocks-presidential-candidates-and-the-confusion-of-certain-white-liberals/

I'm not buying what they're selling to us.

JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)
95. cosign on this post
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 09:53 AM
Aug 2013
Try some real groping.

Right now - the only person standing up for me to the forces outside of my control is probably one of the most hated men on the left - AG Eric Holder.

I mean - hated if you aren't a woman or minority. Because the Obama appointee has got our backs.


Sheer brilliance:

I call it a 'clear and present danger' to life and liberty of well, uh, women, since it's apparent in the 'hands on' fascism enacted state by state by the GOP, that females need the Fourth and Fourteenth Amedments. Strangely enough, there doesn't seem to be much concern about how they apply to women.

Animal Farm. All animals are created equal. But some animals are more equal than others.

ALL YOUR UTERI ARE BELONG TO US.



The immediate danger to all women of child bearing age in this country is not the NSA - it's the guy down the street that wants to handcuff us to a prison wall if we get pregnant and have a pregnancy we can't carry to term. In their world - a child carried that doesn't have a heart beat that is aborted is the victim of murder. Those same men are whining about THEIR rights? Cry me a river buddy.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
115. Yes, and only a strong GOTV will drive these guys from power. I'm encouraged by GA, MA and CO.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 06:33 PM
Sep 2014

I want us to win as badly (well, not quite as much) as I did for Obama to get his first and second terms. I'm going to post an OP...

I keep saying I will, in GD on the clear message coming from Ferguson. But I keep getting diverted as I see something in GD to get my attention.

Also, DU seems more interested in jumping all over Obama than human rights. So I've delayed. I'll send you a link when I get it posted.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
65. its not those that whine about how horrible Obama is
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 05:54 PM
Aug 2013

And it's not those that shower praise on Obama regardless of policy that will change a damn thing in the 2014 or 2016 election.

The actions of our leaders will be judged by voters in some fashion. Obama's perceived problems will speak for themselves and potentially disenfranchise millions of left voters.

Whining about whiners will have little if any impact on 2016.

JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)
93. Can you clarify this
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 09:09 AM
Aug 2013
Obama's perceived problems will speak for themselves and potentially disenfranchise millions of left voters.


How will his problems add to the concerted effort underway from the Right at the State level to disenfranchise blacks and other minorities? So far as I can tell - it's a bunch of white guys pandering to middle aged white male voters by blaming it on 'the others' as an effort to ensure we live in an South Africa type of America in 15/20 years. I.E. A majority of brown people 'ruled' by the white affluent class.

President Obama did not appoint any of the activist SCOTUS justices that deliberately and malicious overturned the most important part of the VRA.

Me? I know the Gubernatorial election coming up here (NJ) this November is a lost cause - but I will still vote just to say . . . I denounce the Republicans and their ilk and Chris Christie is target number one for my vitriol and anger.

BTW - he's a ProLifer and Anti Gay marriage and his beliefs AND actions pose far more of a threat to this black child bearing age woman in NJ than Obama's NSA ever will.

RitchieRich

(292 posts)
97. Not relevant
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 10:35 AM
Aug 2013

Either side is attacking a different set of rights. It seems to me that as the pendulum of power swings back and forth, either side will dismantle a different chunk of the bill of rights. If we cheerlead our side and heckle the other this process will continue unhindered until after a few cycles both sides will have nothing.

JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)
98. You don't think VRA is relevant?
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 10:48 AM
Aug 2013

You don't think Holder can make a difference for black Americans (tide is totally against us in America).

History - background. My grandfather and great grandfather could actually VOTE. They voted solid Republican. They had the education and wealth and the ability to pay people off (bribe) to get them the literacy tests and around the barriers. They often threw their votes away in Northern Alabama at that time - and voted against their interests (the tax and 'laundry' was through their farming interests).

Fast forward to the 1964 - my dad is home on leave. He's a Green Beret. His father forbid him to vote because of the danger. My dad had already won a purple heart for this piece of shit country. I was born in 1973. In 1976 Reagan went to Mississippi and gave a little speech condemning me (I take it personally) as a welfare queen in a caddy.


Look up ^^^ - That colors my world view.

Here's the thing - without 'this side's' solid black vote (we came out in historic numbers the past two elections) they've GOTCHA. They know without us - that everything else on the left falls apart. Why do you think they are doing anything and everything in their power to send us to the back of the bus?


So they've split us - but it's not black or hispanic/latino America's fault. Because it's not our fault if they are doing this to us. I just don't want it blamed on us in 2014 or 2016 because try as they will to say "They just stayed home" - that's not the truth.

They are going to deliberately and maliciously remove our rights to vote. It's already started. Blame them. Absolutely point the finger at them - but nobody better dare blame the brown folks in this country if they take it over in 2016.

Maybe the first hand experience and what has been handed down to us from our family struggles - well - Maybe you can't relate to it. Maybe you can? I don't know. But I can't relate to what the other side did (The Right during the Bush Admin) and is being carried on today - because they are playing from a playbook that the Tech World of 2013 can't comprehend.


The book is as old as Jim Crow.

RitchieRich

(292 posts)
99. missed my point. I dislike how BOTH sides are attacking rights
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 11:17 AM
Aug 2013

I do care a great deal about the VRA, and was shocked by the lack of concern. Pissed off a good deal of people on Facebook where I have made a point of friending a large diverse group of my piers so I could expose them to information.

I was responding to "fools whining about how horrible President Obama is"
Relating VRA to Dems who are upset with Obama strikes me as irrelevant, for lack of better words. One can dislike spying while supporting VRA. In my humble opinion you are allowed to support VRA and the 4th at the same time. It seems to me that such would define being a liberal more than supporting a particular candidate or party.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
5. these people make me sick
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 10:21 AM
Aug 2013

lets find somethind democrats(and especially minorities) do, like vote early, be old and maybe not have an ID, or be a young college student and let's make that illegal.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
6. There's a simple solution to this.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 10:32 AM
Aug 2013

Create a new wing of the Federal Elections Commission that hires several thousand people to go out and pro-actively stop at people's homes at non-working times (hahaha double time or more, cost-wise!) with laptops and everything needed to print out valid ID's on the spot, and serve the people what they need. Correction on a birth cert? New DL? New PASSPORT? Done. No cost.

Hand the Republicans the bill and say 'hey, just doing what your law required us to do, in order to comply with the law, AND uphold people's civil rights'.

Shovel-ready, baby.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
10. I have kind of wondered if that isn't the best strategy
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 10:50 AM
Aug 2013

With all the effort put into fighting this, we could far easier beat them at their own game by simply mobilizing and getting the people like her ID's. We have the organizational ability and people to make it happen.

Yeah, I know the ideological battle say we must fight it in court. But being pragmatic, if we mobilize, get everybody an ID, and they don't get to stop anybody from voting it would be even better- because if we beat them in court they get to keep repeating the lie that we are fighting it to enable fraud. Beat them by getting IDs and they have to watch the steady stream of minorities vote despite all their efforts.

A nice side effect is that by getting poor people who lack an ID we make their life better- they have a better chance of finding employment (most wont hire without ID), betye access to social services that require an ID, an have identification if ever needed in an encounter with the law- I can tell you that life is much harder if you are suspected of a crime and lack ID, because the police will assume you are hiding your identity. Probably 95% of people who told me they didn't have any ID were hiding their identity because they had warrants or a past, but the remaining 5% had to put up with the efforts we had to make to verify who they were.

So I understand the ideological desire to fight them in court. But I just wonder if by changing strategy we couldn't beat them at their own game, and make peoples lives better at the same time, for the same cost?

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
11. Between the gerrymandered districts and corporate money and corporate-programmed voting machine
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 10:56 AM
Aug 2013

tabulators, it's going to take more than registering democratic voters to stop the tide.

I live in NC, and watched it infiltrated and taken over. I'm out of hope at this point.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
54. loudsue, please
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 04:29 PM
Aug 2013

don't lose hope. I live in Durham, NC, and we are beginning to organize to fight this outrageous Administration. I can hardly believe people are so dumb as to vote against their own best interests. I'm furious, but am a member of the ACLU and NAACP, and so his my husband. Anger at injustice is a great motivator.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
62. Thank you for your activism, Duval.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 05:07 PM
Aug 2013

I'm so grateful for all the Moral Monday participants, and activists doing as you are, fighting the good fight. I think Obama's proposed chained CPI just made me lose hope altogether. Now, I find him pushing this new Trade agreement, and .... he's supposed to represent the party of sanity in this country.

SaveAmerica

(5,342 posts)
85. You can live in a gerrymandered precinct and still get enough
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 12:35 AM
Aug 2013

votes to make a difference. The way it worked in '08 was that enough votes came in from everywhere, even where Obama lost to McCain, that we were able to turn that pretty shade of purple.

The trick is to get enough people to vote but I'm thinking that these fools have fired people up so far in NC that their stupidity will be their undoing.

Help bring those votes in! NGU! Never Give Up!!

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
14. It is the best strategy
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 11:11 AM
Aug 2013

We outnumber them, by a huge ratio. We could take every office in government.
I believe winning all the public offices available during the next election cycle by a 70%-30% margin, would finally close some very obnoxious mouths.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
57. Haven't read what the "substantial" cost is.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 04:51 PM
Aug 2013

And that might be legitimately relativized to income.

My mother's birth documents failed to match much of her ID.

Her SS card had her name misspelled, and since the SS card was a form of ID at many places for many years banks, her DL, etc., all had it misspelled.

It was easy to get things changed over. Not in NC, though, so I can't comment there.

The one thing that might have been bad is if she had failed to update her last name when she was married. Most states have a limit on how long you have to change your name. My wife kept her maiden name for professional reasons and only wanted to chuck it after 15 years of marriage because she changed professions. Her publishing history wasn't anything she cared about anymore.

TX requires a court order for that kind of thing, and that gets expensive. So we simply got a new marriage license and were remarried. New license, we were within the stipulated time for a free name change.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
13. Door to Door Democracy
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 11:05 AM
Aug 2013

If people know their vote won't be challenged and somebody cares enough to come visit them, maybe they will make the effort to vote.

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
31. Just make voting mandatory.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 12:18 PM
Aug 2013

And for those states demanding an ID, issue a Federal voter ID that is good in any state.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
39. it works for Australia
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 01:03 PM
Aug 2013

and solves so many problems. But doesn't leave these loopholes for corruption. So that's why US won't do it.

Imagine what it would be like to live in a country where people were expected and encouraged to vote.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
69. I was so surprised when my Australian son-in-law told me that.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 06:47 PM
Aug 2013

I had no idea. He said they issue a small fine to non-voters. I like the idea.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
73. I wish more Americans did
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 07:12 PM
Aug 2013

--it automatically removes all the forms of corruption and voter suppression we are suffering from in this country. And imagine a country that encourages voting and makes it easier for people to vote. (I have several relatives living there. They ask me why Americans put up with what is happening here. I have no easy answers).

Compulsory voting also gets young people voting, keeps people more in touch with what's going on in politics, and gives a more accurate picture of the composite re. voter concerns.

So many benefits. Not a big deal if you show up to vote and then abstain. You just have to show up (or pay the minimal fine).

On the other hand Australia's govt is set up to be more responsive to the voters in general. You can't as easily influence and buy elections. That would have to change here too.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
47. One problem :
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 02:33 PM
Aug 2013

The Repugs and their puppet masters, the one-percent, do not want to see us proles lining up in our thousands and tens of thousands to vote.So mandatory voting will never happen here.

 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
89. fuck no! unless....
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 06:15 AM
Aug 2013

.....an official "none of the above" option is included on every ballot AND an absolute majority of voters is required to win.

the number of people who do not vote in each election is a sign of the illegitimacy of the results and part of the general condemnation of u.s "democracy."

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
92. Do you reply the same way to
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 07:48 AM
Aug 2013

A jury summons or registering for the draft or paying your taxes? This is a democracy in which everyone needs to participate.

 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
109. I have serious questions about the draft and taxes
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 06:10 AM
Aug 2013

Absolutely opposed to the draft, period (can you say "cannon fodder for imperialism?&quot . The tax system favors the rich, and I wouldn't mind paying them at all if all the money went to a good cause. both those things are absolutely NOT about choice. voting is absolutely ABOUT choice.

now, try thinking outside the psuedo-patriotic box.

sorry for the delay in response.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
55. We're decentralized in the US.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 04:45 PM
Aug 2013

Hire the federal workers and they don't get to reissue county birth documents or state-level IDs.

Passport, that they could issue.

NJCher

(35,654 posts)
58. Love that idea
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 04:53 PM
Aug 2013

I recently helped a senior get an ID and let me tell you, it was not easy.

If they are going to require IDs, your idea is how it should be handled.

Will it be expensive? Yes. But that's the cost of ignoring research that shows that voter fraud is not an issue.

So eff them.


Cher

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
63. It doesn't have to be expensive or inconvenient to get a Federal voter ID.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 05:27 PM
Aug 2013

They could be issued at the local Post Office.

Any state that requires a photo ID should be charged a fee by the Federal government for each ID issued.

SaveAmerica

(5,342 posts)
86. I believe the cost and disenfranchisement comes in the form of fees to
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 12:39 AM
Aug 2013

research and obtain documents that help get the ID.

ecstatic

(32,684 posts)
81. I'm OK with that too. I hope people use the next several months to slap
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 11:18 PM
Aug 2013

the crap out of repugs while also quietly gathering the required documentation. Of course, that's not going to help with regard to the vigilantes/kkk they're letting loose at the polls (and voter purging).

johnnyreb

(915 posts)
17. Bless you Mrs. Eaton.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 11:23 AM
Aug 2013

May you receive strength and joy and every kind of victory from this fight.

Fuck you, Republicans. You are irresponsible, immoral, stupid, vile, stinky and UN-AMERICAN.

freemay20

(243 posts)
18. They weren't trying to discriminate against racial and ethnic minorities.....
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 11:25 AM
Aug 2013

only against racial and ethnic minorities who vote for Democrats.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
21. Any angle they can invent to resurrect Jim Crow
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 11:28 AM
Aug 2013

That's why they're attaching so many stipulations... if one won't work, there are always a dozen more.

dragonlady

(3,577 posts)
30. Wisconsin Republicans also abolished straight-ticket voting
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 12:15 PM
Aug 2013

This is odd, because studies showed that Republican voters used it more than Democrats. One reason could be to slow down the voting process (connecting several arrows rather than just one) so the cumulative effect would be to make longer lines and discourage some who can't stand in line too long. Or maybe they think Democrats are stupid and won't be able to figure out who are the Democrats in each section (although the parties are plainly marked). In the end, I don't think it has made much difference.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
66. It's a tactic to slow down the lines so that fewer people can vote.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 06:27 PM
Aug 2013

I think they did it in FL - then made the damned ballot TEN PAGES long. When it's time for polls to close, they'll just shut the doors and anyone in line won't be able to vote. As far as the Tealiban/John Birchers are concerned, the more people in that line when polls close, the fewer of them get to vote.

EDIT: In FL, people in line when polls closed were still able to vote. In NC, they will not be allowed. They'll be told to go home.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
68. Repukes don't want people to vote...the fewer the voters, the better their chances...
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 06:36 PM
Aug 2013

They certainly target minorities and the elderly, but they're playing a numbers game as well, the assholes.

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
24. 15th Amendment! 15th Amendment!
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 11:42 AM
Aug 2013
15th Amendment to the Constitution

The 15th Amendment to the Constitution granted African American men the right to vote by declaring that the "right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state . . .

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
25. Hooray for Ms. Eaton and the Moral Monday protesters.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 11:53 AM
Aug 2013

The NAACP and the ACLU are leading the way. Please support these organizations.

OnlinePoker

(5,719 posts)
26. She has a valid driver's license
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 11:54 AM
Aug 2013

This is one of the acceptable forms of ID. How is she being disenfranchised?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
28. Her voter registration matches her birth cert, not her DL.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 12:05 PM
Aug 2013

She has to show her DL to vote. It doesn't match the registration, and she is sent packing.

She can change the Voter Reg, or the DL, but both require time and money to correct.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
33. Precisely.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 12:22 PM
Aug 2013

One step removed, and sort of covered up with a blanket or something, but still a poll tax. One that is a disproportionate barrier to people who are poor, working class, elderly, or infirm, but still otherwise capable of voting.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
59. I'll play devil's advocate.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 04:57 PM
Aug 2013

How much time and money does it take to reregister?

In TX, I make a call (5 minutes, if I time it right), a few days later I get the form in the mail, fill it out, and return it. 5 more minutes and the cost of a stamp. I'll through in checking the mail, 10 minutes, but I do that anyway.

The DL change in TX is also not all that bad, if your birth documents still have the right name on them.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
96. It's not what is takes to register - it's the time and money to get the photo ID
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 10:03 AM
Aug 2013

It could be as simple as ordering a certified birth certificate - usually $10-25, takes a couple of weeks. That money may stretch a senior's very limited budget and those weeks could bite into the time available to register to vote.

What if you are a woman who got married? You have to get a certified copy of your marriage certificate to prove that the difference in name from your birth certificate is legal. More money, more time.

If you were married more than once, you have to get the divorce degree or a copy of your first husband's death certificate. For each marriage, for each husband. More money, more time.

In my mother's case, there had been a clerical error when her birth certificate was transferred to Alabama's computer system. When she got a new birth certificate to renew her driver's license, the birth date did not match the one she knew was correct. It took TWO YEARS for her to get that corrected. She had to order certified copies of her original Social Security application, her Navy Nurse service record and every other official record they could think of to prove that the birth date she had been using for 86 years was correct. LOTS more time and LOTS more money.

When I renewed my driver's license here in Florida which is one version of the Photo ID required to vote, I had three versions of my birth certificate (I couldn't find my originals, so ordered a new certificate, then found the old ones), my original Social Security card, and a utility bill (to prove my residence). I was hassled by the 20-something clerk because she had never seen a SS card like mine. It's the only SS card I have ever carried, the same one issued to me in the 1950s. Fortunately, the clerk at the next desk was old to enough to have seen that style. Because I didn't change my name when I married (which was a HUGE PITA in 177 when I married), I didn't have to show my marriage certificate - since it was filed with our birth certificates, I would have had to order a copy.

And here is the rub - in order to get certified copies of the needed documents, I had to have a photo ID. If I had let my DL lapse, I could not have gotten the required documents to apply for a new DL. I'm lucky - if needed my Mom could have ordered it for me since she's still alive, but that would have involved more money more time.

In Florida, a state photo ID cost $25 every time, new or renewal. So for someone just wanting a photo ID for voting in Florida often costs them a minimum of $40 - not a lot of people keep their birth certificate around or can find it when they need it. If you're making minimum wage - $7.79 an hour in Florida - that's a day's work. If you didn't realize you needed the ID before you voted and the process to order the documents and get the time to obtain a photo ID takes you 2-4 weeks, that could keep you from voting.


Another point - As a woman who had to fight to KEEP the name on my birth certificate (and who after 36 years STILL has to argue with people, my father included, to be addressed by my LEGAL name) I object to your comment "if your birth documents still have the right name on them."

Most women older than I am had little or no choice about keeping the name on their birth certificate. They were forced by culture and by the government to change their surnames to their husbands'. Now they are often penalized by the system to make it harder and more expensive to vote - nearly 100 years since women got the right to vote.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
104. Which "right name?"
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 03:53 PM
Aug 2013

My mother tagged me with 5 names. Each governmental agency picks and chooses which of those names they think might fit on my Social Security card or Driver's License or whatever other government issued card I have to get. As a result, none of my official IDs/cards/etc. match my birth certificate as far as my name goes. They cannot fit all of those names, because the computers are set up to only have a first, middle, and last name entered. So, this is how it has always been. So far, for me, it has not been a problem. Most people in town know I have a long list of names, but, now, it is going to be a nightmare for each and every place I have to go to get all these various government issued cards to use ALL of my names to match my "right name" on my birth certificate. How, exactly, are they going to do that using my "right name" with only three (first, middle, and last) database entry spots in the computers?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
82. I Don't know, but a dollar is too much for voting purposes.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 11:21 PM
Aug 2013

Plus there's time out of her schedule during business hours to go do it.

BumRushDaShow

(128,844 posts)
29. Did you read the article?
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 12:07 PM
Aug 2013
“Mrs. Eaton, who was born at home, has a current North Carolina driver’s license, but the name on her certified birth certificate does not match the name on her driver’s license or the name on her voter registration card,” the lawsuit notes. “Mrs. Eaton will incur substantial time and expense to correct her identification documents to match her voter registration record in order to meet the new requirements.”


However they plan to verify voters *at the polling place* with the new law's criteria, her driver's license (the "photo ID" part) has a name on there that doesn't match her voter registration name. And to correct it so that these match her birth certificate, doing so will incur a cost just to be able to vote after decades of past practice of no issues.... And this new cost violates the 24th amendment to the Constitution which forbids a "poll tax".

That's why here in PA... literally while on the stand being questioned during the trials here last year, the state started waiving all the fees.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
40. Always Refer To These Laws As Voter Suppression Laws
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 01:11 PM
Aug 2013

Because that is the most accurate description for these laws. Refrain from ever calling them anything else as has been done in this top post. When using quotes insert (voter suppression) in place of the words used, much like you insert (N-word) for the actual racist word.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
41. another thing
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 01:18 PM
Aug 2013

another thing they better be cracking down on,,, is reducing the number of voting machines and workers in the blue precincts and increasing them in the Red precincts then passing laws that the polls can be closed even when people are waiting to vote. If you vote in Blue precinct, you will have to stand in line in the weather for long hours to cast your vote, whereas you can walk in and out to cast your vote in Red Precinct, there is no waiting in the Red voting polls. They are not going to take your right ot vote away from you , just make it too damnn hard to cast your vote...... that their new GOP tune!

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
43. What sort of ideology drives people to make it HARDER for people to vote in a democracy?
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 01:23 PM
Aug 2013

clearly, these people are not the patriots they want their electorate to believe them to be.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
44. Kicked and Recommended.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 01:51 PM
Aug 2013

Way to go Mrs. Eaton! You're more of an American than any of these Republican assholes that would deny your right to vote!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
50. She's an example for all of us. Long may she live, and may she prevail in this case!
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 03:31 PM
Aug 2013
She is protecting voting rights for EVERYONE.

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
61. Ohh, I think there are some State courts that will. The lawsuits will take time and money...
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 05:07 PM
Aug 2013

... and we all know that money counts as speech! We're in for a long slog.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
70. What are our congressional leaders doing to rectify this?
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 06:50 PM
Aug 2013

You would think with 2014 almost upon us they would introduce some new legislation .

Isoldeblue

(1,135 posts)
75. Fed up.... Fired up!!!!
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 07:54 PM
Aug 2013

We need to rally together in helping people get registered and to vote out the slime, come 2014!

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
77. This is why
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 08:40 PM
Aug 2013

Republicans will continue to fail at reaching double-digits among Black voters in the foreseeable future.

ecstatic

(32,684 posts)
80. The more I hear about NC's latest move, with the backdrop of the Supreme Court ruling,
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 11:15 PM
Aug 2013

the more my blood boils.

I think repugs have definitely sealed their fate this time. Their attempts to take the nation back decades is disgusting and infuriating. It was very wise of Hillary to jump on top of this issue now. Can we say landslide x 3?!

SaveAmerica

(5,342 posts)
88. She's awesome but so sad to watch as we slide back into the past
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 12:44 AM
Aug 2013

North Carolinians will turn this around for the better, I"m sure.

 

AudioXzibit

(6 posts)
101. Plain wrong
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 01:43 PM
Aug 2013

People don't seem to show up in numbers in mid term elections as they do in presidential elections. I might be wrong. That's why the Repubs won a bunch in 2010. Right? As to voter ID laws. I think the Repubs are dirty for this one.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
103. I need to get on the ball too, because my full name is five names long.
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 03:21 PM
Aug 2013

Everyone from the DMV to the power company uses a variation of my name instead of my full name because it is way too long to fit on all of these official documents. For me to get a voter ID in my own home state where I have voted since 1988, I am not going to have to go through a bunch of shit to get my voter ID, license, Social Security Card and zillions of other official documents to all match up. I wonder how they are going to cram all my names on that Voter ID card. I wonder if the NAACP or ACLU will let me join the suit over this bullshit.

I despise McCrory with every fiber of my being. If he makes it so I cannot vote simply because my mother couldn't quit naming me after every aunt and friend she had, I am going to be one VERY ANGRY Democrat. Not only that, he took my straight party voting away. Fuck that Republican son of a bitch, hard, sideways with a rusty chainsaw. Goddamn, he pisses me off. I should shut up now before NC's version of the Secret Service shows up at my door, but goddamn, McCrory and this current crop of Republican assholes in charge of my state piss me the fuck off.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
108. Your Guide to North Carolina Republicans' War on Voting
Thu Aug 15, 2013, 01:36 PM
Aug 2013
Your Guide to North Carolina Republicans' War on Voting... Er I Mean "Preventing Voter Fraud!!

Aug 13, 2013
Stephen Wolf

North Carolina Republicans, eager to exercise their vice grip over the levers of power in the state for the first time since Reconstruction, recently passed a radical voting 'reform' law that Governor Pat McCrory just signed that among other things implemented a Voter ID provision. While you've likely heard of this aspect of the law, it also does some other dastardly things and make no mistake: all of them are designed to unfairly disadvantage the Democrats.

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The changes to early voting will depress turnout, especially among the young, poor, and minorities. Disallowing Sunday voting in particular is targeted towards the "Souls to the Polls" movement that Black churches would do after Sunday services. Banning pre-registration obviously is intended to lower turnout among heavily Democratic young people.

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The changes to early voting will depress turnout, especially among the young, poor, and minorities. Disallowing Sunday voting in particular is targeted towards the "Souls to the Polls" movement that Black churches would do after Sunday services. Banning pre-registration obviously is intended to lower turnout among heavily Democratic young people.

read more:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/13/1230927/-Your-Guide-to-North-Carolina-Republicans-War-on-Voting-Er-I-Mean-Preventing-Voter-Fraud-11



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