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midnight

(26,624 posts)
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 05:00 AM Aug 2013

Reagan came to Washington, and his buddies realized they could make a buck off of unemployed America

"Turn unemployed Americans into criminals. Track them, punish them for any crime possible, take away their rights and throw them into for-profit prisons.
Once thrown inside a for-profit prison, an inmate needs food, housing, healthcare and other services. This means huge profits for capitalists. They’re raking in tens of thousands of dollars per prisoner per year – hundreds of percent more than Roosevelt paid to simply put them back to work.
And turning unemployed Americans into very profitable prisoners is a booming business.
From the beginning of America until 1980, the incarceration rate in America remained fairly steady. While Nixon declaring his war on drugs in 1971 did slightly increase incarceration in the United States, the increase was nothing drastic."

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/18168-what-do-you-do-when-you-no-longer-need-your-slaves-or-your-workers

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Demeter

(85,373 posts)
1. That's the Capitalistic, Anti-communist Reagan Mindset
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 06:19 AM
Aug 2013

It's perfectly logical, and totally unacceptable, not to mention violates everything America stood for.

liberal N proud

(60,332 posts)
4. Case study Ohio
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 07:03 AM
Aug 2013


Here is an article from April about the decline of Ohio prisons since Kasich privatized some of them:

On Tuesday, the ACLU of Ohio released a timeline tracing the decline of the country’s first privately- owned prison. Ohio Governor John Kasich first proposed privatizing prisons in March of 2011 as a way to climb out of an $8 billion budget deficit. The Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction boasted $3 million in savings “for Ohio taxpayers compared to similar state facilities.” However, since being purchased for $72.7 million from the Corrections Corporation of America (CCA), the largest private prison corporation in the United States, the prison has racked up countless violations.

In an audit last October, the CCA was slapped with 47 violations including having smaller-than-state standard housing units: “all housing units prove less than the requirement of 25 feet of unencumbered space per occupant.” Later that same year, the CCA failed yet another inspection. And now, according to Think Progress, the CCA’s Lake Erie prison “is reportedly overcrowded at 130% capacity, with single-person cells holding 3 inmates each, according to internal documents obtained by the ACLU.” Since the U.S. leads the world in incarcerations with 2.2 million Americans behind bars, it is no surprise that state budgets are being overwhelmed by prison costs. But instead of trying to legislate prison reform, Gov. Kasich decided to delegate responsibility to private systems that have an incentive to find ways to keep profits up.

The CCA is not shy about its goals, stating in the company’s 2010 Annual Report: “We believe we have been successful in increasing the number of residents in our care and continue to pursue a number of initiatives intended to further increase our occupancy and revenue.”

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/04/12/private-prisons-and-the-profit-motive/


If prisons are for profit, they need a steady supply of prisoners, we all know where that will come from.

geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
5. That last line sums up the conflicts of interest nicely...
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 07:23 AM
Aug 2013

"We believe we have been successful in increasing the number of residents in our care and continue to pursue a number of initiatives intended to further increase our occupancy and revenue."

Private prisons and the profit motive



For profit prison systems will lobby congress for more and more laws to generate more and more prisoners. They will also keep costs down by housing prisoners in sub-standard conditions - cramped living quarters, poor food and health care - generally treating them inhumanely. Don't get me wrong - if you are in prison you should know you are in a prison - not a five star vacation resort - but poor food, lack of healthcare and rehab services, poor sanitation etc should not be tolerated.

On edit: prisons are for the benefit of society. They are intended to house violent criminals to keep them off the streets and away from people who they would do harm to. Incarcerating people for non-violent offenses on trumped up charges just to increase prison populations is in my mind a violent crime in itself. These criminals should be held accountable.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
7. "Republican Senate candidate Ron Johnson who has campaigned against government subsidies to business
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 01:13 PM
Aug 2013

, employs up to nine prison inmates at his plastics factories whose health care costs are paid by the state, according to records obtained by The Associated Press"


http://www.aolnews.com/2010/10/08/senate-candidate-ron-johnson-nets-savings-on-prison-labor/


It is turning out real well for them....

LuvNewcastle

(16,834 posts)
3. K&R Good article.
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 06:49 AM
Aug 2013

I like the way this article reduces the policies of the Friedman followers to a simple point: profit and only profit is their god and the focus of all their endeavors. When seen in that light, it's easy to see why it's such a failure. It's poisonous both to the planet and to the human spirit. Ultimately, our current system as it is has no hope of success for the average person.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
8. These free marketeers use the labor and profits off the backs of the wage earners...proving that
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 01:25 PM
Aug 2013

nothing is free and that unregulated capitalism is the enemy of democracy... and that is why I believe you are correct in expressing why the average person has no hope of success....

calimary

(81,085 posts)
9. And then the reagans arrived and Queen Nancy needed some PR image-lifting.
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 02:16 PM
Aug 2013

Last edited Thu Aug 15, 2013, 04:01 AM - Edit history (2)

She'd started out almost immediately after the election, "credited" (either sourced to her or or staff) with remarks about how it'd be nice if the Carters moved out early so she could get a head start on redecorating the White House. During the campaign, she got a LOT of attention, most of it negative, especially as compared to the plain-wrap couple from Plains GA.

No. Not Nancy. She had her champagne tastes and expensive Adolfo suits and other designer wear that became her signature. She had the trappings of Hollywood and their exclusive ranch tucked away in the mountains above elegant Santa Barbara CA in her aura. She had this closed, cold, unapproachable demeanor. "How was your Christmas, Mrs. Reagan?" the press would ask from the distance at which they were corralled, in the few weeks before Inauguration Day. "Very nice." "Christmas presents?" "Yes. Nice presents" - uttered as she was closing the door in front of her and shutting them out physically as well as emotionally. Then when they were in the White House, WHILE the economy was going south, she wanted to re-do the White House china collection. She picked this ultra luxe "Reagan Red" plate design with gold leaf and a wide red border, looked like it belonged in some palace - while more and more people were losing their jobs and turning to public assistance. Ooooh, fancy new dishes for her and her well-heeled, fancy-assed crowd while more and more of the people couldn't afford enough food. The perceived insensitivity was just TREMENDOUS - at a time when the economy wasn't good and growing worse. Never mind that, as she pointed out, it was all donated (yeah, we know. Just more of your rich pals stepping in, your majesty). It GREATLY furthered the notion that was developing toward the reagans that they were this imperious, royalist, elitist cabal of "Millionaires on Parade" while the country suffered and the people went broke. And she quickly became regarded as the new Marie Antoinette. And a cold fish Marie Antoinette at that. She even wore a little pillbox-type hat on Inauguration Day that was a red wreath, that sat on her head like a little crown - a detail that didn't go unnoticed by many of us. She was off-putting to say the least!

So lyn nofziger and david gergen and a few others handling and manipulating media and imaging for the reagans (THAT was a HUGE and very critically-important division in the reagan machinery - that later begat what we now know as Pox Noise) decided she needed a public relations makeover. Give her a cause, they said! Send her out there on a mission to save the people, save the children, and make her seem warmer and more caring. Gotta Humanize Nancy! Soften up the Queen for the people! So they hit upon the "Just Say No" thing - anti drug campaign. And by Jove they sent her out there on these press and publicity junkets, where she'd actually have to say more than two or three words to the press and (ewww! hold your nose, dearie and just get through it) have to shake hands with the great unwashed, and hobknob with the riff-raff, and make it look as though she cared about them. And to some extent, it worked. People did warm up to her a little bit, after awhile. Not all of us were won over, though. It seemed pretty easy to see through, for some of us anyway. As her husband presided over the "Millionaires on Parade" business and let the corporate marauder types and the tycoons and the vultures run amok, and take as many restrictions and regulations away so the foxes could be put in charge of guarding the henhouses. That's when regulations started falling like the many-lifted jawlines and jowls of her fancy Bel Air and Beverly Hills and showbiz friends who'd always show up at your average Old Hollywood-preferred event. That's when mergers and acquisitions were suddenly America's favorite new indoor sport. That's when most of this "...and the rich get richer" shit that we're all presently suffering under got started. It's in full flower now, but its seeds were planted and carefully nurtured during the reagan years.

And the "Just Say No" campaign took hold and begat all kinds of strict new laws and enforcement crack-downs from sea to shining sea. MORE people were imprisoned. MORE people were imprisoned for longer terms because, well, we were all becoming inundated with the sloganeering of "ALL DRUGS ARE BAAAAAAAAAAAD!" Nothing ever said about alcohol, of course. But "DRUGS BAAAAAAAAAAAD" and "DRUGGIES BAAAAAAAAAAAAAD!!!" became one of the anthems of the reagan years. So you had this disproportional emphasis on throwing 'em in the slammer, up the enforcement, up the penalties. There was more interest in rehab, of course, but only rich people and celebs could afford that. Betty Ford had begun that one, but she genuinely had the common touch, and was empathetic and a very sympathetic figure, and on her watch, alcohol and substance-abuse recovery was something that appeared to be, and was, applicable across class lines. But during the reagan era, it was the perceived riff-raff that took it in the shorts. That kindness and rehab wasn't open to them. It was "throw 'em in the slammer" for them.

On edit (besides correcting grammar and syntax stuff) - And hmmmm... I wonder if just maybe somebody in that crowd was far-sighted enough, or strategically shrewd enough, to put two and two together and realize that the more people you threw in the slammer, the more felons you'd create which would mean a whole lot more people would NOT be able to vote anymore. Useful handicap for them to have if they're considered of the type of voter who would vote against them. I heard Randi Rhodes expound upon this today, and it hit me like a thunderclap!!! Her point was to tie in the lopsided numbers of African Americans who are incarcerated for felonies. And as convicted felons, guess what other penalty is imposed? They lose their right to vote. Gee... for a Machiavellian political operative who'll grab - or attempt to initiate - ANY advantage possible for a successful election result, that seems like an awfully slick and sneaky way to further reduce the pool of potential Democratic voters. I wouldn't put it past some of 'em! Remember this is the Party of kkkarl rove!

Be that as it may...

All because Nancy needed the kind of facelift that only the public relations doctors (NOT the plastic surgeons) provided.

Damn those were awful days. AWFUL. That's where all the shit began. All the shit we're dealing with now - got started during the reagan years. It felt like a hostage hold. And the press was lap-dog-ish. They'd persecuted and piled on Jimmy Carter. They worshipped and adored the reagans - well, mainly ronnie. Queen Nancy we put up with because she came along with him - in effect she had the Presidential "I'm with Stupid" t-shirt. It got extended by one term of reagan junior (bush 1), but Clinton came into the picture and showed him the door, so we had a break. Then it came roaring back with bush 2. bush 2 was the REAL reagan junior.

Sadly enough, most if not all of our present ills got started during the reagan era. NEVER was I so happy to see a regime change. That was the first time we started becoming accustomed to OUR message not getting through. They rode and handled the press like so many horses in reagan's Santa Barbara ranch corrals.

Just a REALLY SHITTY time in America. One from which we have yet to recover. And too many of us had to suffer because Nancy needed a public relations remake.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
11. This would never have happened if it were not for the Dem traitors who voted for Reagan,
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 04:06 PM
Aug 2013

and the DLC/Third Wayers who have enabled Reagan/Bush policies to continue.

lpbk2713

(42,736 posts)
12. That "trickle down" that RayGun talked about ...
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 04:06 PM
Aug 2013




was Runny and his buddies pissing down the back of our necks.


midnight

(26,624 posts)
15. lpbk2713 you will like this:
Thu Aug 15, 2013, 11:06 AM
Aug 2013

"It's kind of hard to sell 'trickle down,' so the supply-side formula was the only way to get a tax policy that was really 'trickle down.' Supply-side is 'trickle-down' theory."

"Yes, Stockman conceded, when one stripped away the new rhetoric emphasizing across-the-board cuts, the supply-side theory was really new clothes for the unpopular doctrine of the old Republican orthodoxy."

"…the Reagan coalition prevailed again in the House and Congress passed the tax-cut legislation with a final frenzy of trading and bargaining. Again, Stockman was not exhilarated by the victory. On the contrary, it seemed to leave a bad taste in his mouth, as though the democratic process had finally succeeded in shocking him by its intensity and its greed. Once again, Stockman participated in the trading -- special tax concessions for oil -- lease holders and real-estate tax shelters, and generous loopholes that virtually eliminated the corporate income tax. Stockman sat in the room and saw it happen."

"'Do you realize the greed that came to the forefront?' Stockman asked with wonder. 'The hogs were really feeding. The greed level, the level of opportunism, just got out of control.'"


http://www.rationalrevolution.net/war/trickle_down.htm

gopiscrap

(23,725 posts)
13. bunch of greedy fuckers
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 04:19 PM
Aug 2013

Reagan was our worst president. That fucking diapered, addled old piece of shit made grade and scorn popular in America as opposed to class and service in the Kennedy administration.

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