Hannah Anderson letters found at kidnap suspect's home

[cali]

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The list of items is included in a search warrant and affidavits CNN affiliate KFMB obtained.

It detailed what authorities found in the aftermath of the August 4 fire at DiMaggio's home, about 45 miles east of San Diego in the community of Boulevard, and how investigators believe the fire was started.

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Other items found on the nine-page list of things seized from the home and the adjacent garage include incendiary devices, a gas can, rolls of duct tape, used condoms, ammunition, an arson wire and letters from Hannah.

Contents of the letters and the handwritten note were not revealed in the affidavit.

When specifically asked about the note by KFMB, the sheriff's department deferred.

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http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/16/us/california-hannah-anderson/

[LiberalEsto]

1. Something about this story makes me wonder

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whether Hannah Anderson was being stalked by DiMaggio for some time. Or whether she was possibly coerced into a "relationship" with him in which she might have agreed to go away with him, but was unaware of what happened to her mother and brother.

Of course she is a victim in either case, and may also have been the victim of underage rape as well.

Just wanted to clarify my original post. I was a newspaper reporter for many years and have covered all kinds of crimes, and there are things in the article that make me suspect there is more to this. There were 13 calls daily between her phone and his?

[Myrina]

2. OMG, were you ever 16 ???

[Renew Deal]

6. Not sure what you mean by that

[NuclearDem]

4. Either way, she's an innocent victim

[bhikkhu]

5. No question that she was stalked for some time

...and knowing the manipulative ability of some predatory individuals, I wouldn't jump into any conspiracy theory as to the guilt (or the monstrousness, which would logically follow) of the young girl.

[LanternWaste]

9. guilty of what...?

"whether Hannah Anderson was a completely innocent victim..." Directly implies a degree of guilt, regardless of how small that degree may be.

Which then begs the question, "guilty of what...?"

[Fawke Em]

19. Um....

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2013/05/14/community-shocked-after-girl-accused-of-getting-her-boyfriend-to-kill-her-father/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richardson_family_murders


I think the poster was alluding to the fact that there have been cases where a girl with an older boyfriend hatches a plot to kill her family after they discover the relationship and try to end it.

That said, we don't know whether that's the case at this point, but the letters do raise some suspicion.

[MineralMan]

11. Remember Elizabeth Smart.

Let the investigation proceed without speculation, please.

[MicaelS]

22. Completely innocent?

Please. 40 year old men have absolutely no business having a romantic or sexual relationship with a female they know for a fact to be 16 years of age. Especially a female with whom their have a near familial relationship. Not all men think with their dicks. Men do know how to say No, and a decent man would have done so if approached by a female under the age of 18.

This scumbag kidnapped her, and tortured and murdered her mother and her brother. He is entirely at fault. I am glad he is dead.

[Frustratedlady]

46. Unfortunately, you aren't alone. eom

[Brickbat]

3. Well, this is about to get ugly.

Not the story. People's reactions to it.

[MineralMan]

7. Yes, and...?

There are notes in our house from my wife's cousin's daughter, written when she was a teenager. They're thank you notes for gifts from my wife and I. Since the man in this story was a family "friend," being concerned about this is very, very premature.

Let's please not start a speculative thread about a 16-year-old girl who was abducted, OK. Let the investigation proceed on its own. We aren't part of it.

Remember Elizabeth Smart and leave it alone, please.

[cali]

8. and nothing. simply part of the story.

are you going to complain to CNN and other outlets that they're publishing this material?

[MineralMan]

10. No, I'm going to complain to you.

You know exactly what this kind of speculative stuff leads to. I wish you hadn't posted this. Remember Elizabeth Smart.

[cali]

15. Again, it's part of the story.

it leads to wherever it leads.

[MineralMan]

16. Whatever you say, Cali.

Good luck with that.

[pnwmom]

47. And being the creep that he was, he probably saved every scrap she ever wrote him. n/t

[MineralMan]

50. That certainly could be the case.

I don't know.

[kestrel91316]

12. Blaming the underaged victim of kidnapping and probably rape, are we?

[MineralMan]

13. Now, Cali didn't say anything like that.

Cali only posted a news story, so we could draw our own conclusions about it and start suspecting the victim.

[cali]

17. nope. just posting factual material.

I made no comment blaming her.

[MineralMan]

18. That is absolutely true. Others will take care of

that part, and already have.

[The Magistrate]

24. Nailed It In One, Sir

I believe 'shit-stirring' is the technical term for it.

"With me, fishing has always been an excuse to drink before noon."

[MineralMan]

26. Hmm...I prefer indirect comments.

I don't pretend to know anyone else's motivations, and if I have suspicions about them, I don't express them. That's just me, though.

[The Magistrate]

28. Every So Often, Sir, I Feel Like Going Straight For The Throat....

This is one of those times.

[MineralMan]

30. Carry on, then.

[Yo_Mama]

42. The ONLY reason this is "news" is because of suspicions she was not innocent

THE ONLY REASON. So posting it implies that the real story is that she was more involved in the killing of her brother and mother than now appears, which is IMO a nasty slander. One should not imply such things until there is real evidence that this is true. All these insinuations will sit around on the web for practically forever, and if they are not true, this constitutes horrific abuse of an-already abused person.

Given the close relationship the two families had, a note at the house from her (prob. a thank you note) is not newsworthy in and of itself.

I don't like to see this pot stirred on DU - this forum should be better than this. It really should.

How are you going to feel if this kid offs herself in a few years?

[MineralMan]

53. Exactly. nt

[LittleBlue]

20. I figured something like this was going on

There is a pic on twitter where she's having an Iphone pic taken with a much older man. He was beardless but looked like the killer.

She will have to live with those memories, I don't envy her.

[MineralMan]

21. What is "something like this" please?

Tell us what you think it is...and how you arrived at whatever conclusions you seem to have reached. Thanks.

[LittleBlue]

23. That they had a relationship before the murders

The letters from Hannah suggest that. Handwritten letters are really unusual for the young generation.

Used condoms and the officials being tight-lipped... well you can draw your own conclusions.

[MineralMan]

25. That is an odd assumption, I think.

As I mentioned above, my wife and I have a number of thank-you (handwritten) letters from a teenager who is the daughter of my wife's cousin. What do they indicate? They indicate that her mother has taught her to write thank-you letters.

Used condoms have no link to anything except that the guy is not a clean freak. And officials are always quiet during investigations. There are many reasons for that, like policy about information about investigations. That's why police departments have public information officers.

Your assumption that there was a sexual relationship between the two is completely off the wall and unsupported by anything but your imagination.

[LittleBlue]

32. Anecdotal evidence?

Someone wrote your wife a letter... and that is supposed to mean what? Doesn't change the fact that letters from Gen Y are really unusual. Email or more frequently text or video chat is more common.

We're all free to draw conclusions. You have yours, I have mine. I guessed they had a prior sexual relationship from the start. Whole thing seemed weird since the first reports came out.

[MineralMan]

34. I've drawn no conclusions at all about this.

That's because I have no information on which to base any such conclusion. An investigation is underway by people who do have information. When the results of that are revealed, I will form a conclusion. Until then, I'm not competent to form one.

[LittleBlue]

36. Cool

You refuse to speculate. I will continue to speculate based on reports. /shrug

[MineralMan]

37. And I will continue to criticize such speculation.

[LittleBlue]

40. lol

We really needed more morality police on the internet. You can steer us clear of sinful speculation.

Do continue

[Yo_Mama]

43. Because you are a decent man. n/t

[complain jane]

57. I'm with you.

So a 16 year old girl and a 40+ year old man disappear into the woods after they exchange 13 phone calls from each other on the day they vanish, the police find letters that the girl wrote to the older man, and nobody's supposed to wonder about this whole story being strange. Do I have that correct?

[R B Garr]

33. It's not so much an odd assumption if you are trying to establish motive

His motive is somewhat easier to establish -- he's a predator. If he's not a predator, as you seem to be indicating, and he was just a family friend, then what was his motive? Maybe he had a psychotic break and that explains it all, but to establish motive, looking at the extent of their relationship is necessary.

For her motive, was she abducted? Or did she really go willingly based on her lifelong relationship with him as a family friend. There are teen runaways.

I hear what you're saying. More often than not, family friends are just that -- family friends. But what would become of your family friend if he indicated in your situation that he had a crush on the young female? Was she alone with him on day trips?

[MineralMan]

35. It is not my business to establish anything. So I don't.

It is the business of the police and others who are investigating this to establish whatever the evidence indicates. I imagine that you know no more about the evidence than I do. So, I'm not seeing any reason for your attempt to "establish" anything at all.

[R B Garr]

45. You haven't heard of Amber Alerts? Do you know what they are for?

How is this now about me? Sorry, but I take the Amber Alerts seriously, which I think is what they are meant for. I'm not going to just assume that a 40-year-old man who abducts a 16-year-old girl is just a nice family friend. If it was just a private matter between police and "others" then why inform the public?

[MineralMan]

48. Amber Alerts are designed to find people who have been abducted.

They work. I'm not sure what that has to do with my comments. The girl is safe, and the man was shot and killed. The investigation continues, because people were murdered in connection with this case.

[R B Garr]

52. You said someone's assumption was "odd." And I said it wasn't odd

if you want to establish motive. I obviously didn't mean that "you," as in you on this internet forum or "me" as in me on this internet forum are needed to establish motive. I simply pointed out that the poster's assumption was not odd if police and "others" are trying to establish motive.

Motive is a pretty basic determining factor that relates to public safety. If random victims are picked out on someone's killing spree, then there is obviously more danger to the public. If a killer/abducter knows their victim, then their personal history and relationship is more their motive for their behavior, hence random 16-year-old girls are not as much in danger.

As far as not commenting on this story, why did you? If you don't like speculation on cases, maybe you can lobby to have Amber Alerts discontinued so everyone can go about their merry way without speculating as to their safety.

[HappyMe]

27. Like the phone calls

I'm not going to speculate. I would rather wait for what the full investigation says. I'm not even sure we will find out since she is a minor.

[liberal_at_heart]

29. Boy we as a society just can't help but play clue with real life stories can we?

We watch real trials on tv as entertainment and pick winners and losers just as we do on American Idol, and now we want to play Sherlock Holmes after a 16 year old girl loses her mother and brother. Why don't we just mind our own business and let the authorities do their job? This is digusting. I am trashing every thread that has anything to do with this kind of speculation.

[MineralMan]

31. Disgusting, yes. It is a part of DU I'm not fond of.

I would hope we would avoid such speculative stuff.

[oneshooter]

38. " an arson wire" What the heck is that? n/t

[Fumesucker]

39. Yeah, that caught my eye too n/t

[MineralMan]

41. It might refer to detonation cord,

which is normally used to set off explosives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detonating_cord

Or to ignitor cord, which burns as it acts as a fuse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_Igniter_Cord

[oneshooter]

44. OK But why refer to it as"arson wire" instead of det cord, a more commen reference? n/t

[MineralMan]

49. I don't know. The reports said "arson wire."

That's all I know. I did some searching based on that terminology, found nothing, so I extended the search. Not everyone knows the nomenclature of things. I did know about primacord, which led me to the pages I linked to.

[LittleBlue]

51. Inquisitr: She went on overnight trips with him

Hannah Anderson’s letters and phone calls to James Lee DiMaggio have raised some questions. Warrants reveal that Anderson and DiMaggio shared correspondence, phone calls, and vacations...

As reported by CBS News, phone records show that the two exchanged 13 phone calls the day of the kidnapping. The nature of the phone calls is unknown

It was also revealed that 16-year-old Hannah Anderson went on numerous overnight trips with DiMaggio. Most recently, the pair traveled to Hollywood and Malibu.

http://www.inquisitr.com/907204/hannah-andersons-letters-and-calls-to-dimaggio-raise-questions/#utm_source=website&utm_campaign=wpbirdnest&utm_medium=web

Malibu? How did this manage to happen?

[MineralMan]

54. You're linking to a trashy right-wing tabloid gossip website?

And one that has links to NewsMax on it? Unfreakingbelievable!

[LittleBlue]

55. I don't know how credible it is

Never seen the source before. But it's all over twitter.

The warrants apparently say multi day trips with him to Hawaii, according to sources on twitter. FWIW

Strange

[MineralMan]

56. All you have to do is look at that site to know that it's

a trashy gossip site. As for twitter, that is not a reliable source for anything. You're spreading information that may be 100% incorrect, and that's irresponsible. Any website that has links to NewsMax and stories like the ones on that site is not a reliable source.

The Internet is chock full of bullshit. Relying on reliable sites make sense. Reposting crap from unreliable sites is not a way to present actual information.

The site you linked to is one of the worst for any information.

Anyhow, I'm done with this topic. Do what you wish.