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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 12:51 PM Aug 2013

Smoking ban at American University will now cover outdoors, too

At least two other local schools have implemented smoking bans this summer: the University of Maryland at College Park and George Washington University. Nationwide, the American Nonsmokers’ Rights Foundation estimates that nearly 1,200 college and university campuses have gone smoke-free. Montgomery College and Towson University were among the leaders of the movement in Maryland.

For many years, AU had banned smoking indoors and within 25 feet of building entrances. But university officials, prodded by student leaders who oppose smoking, decided last year that those limits were not enough. Now the ban will cover outdoor areas as well.

Three small spots on campus have been set aside for smokers, but just through Dec. 23, when those havens will disappear, too, and smokers will be forced to leave campus to have a cigarette or cigar. In practical terms, that may push many smokers onto the public sidewalks along Massachusetts and Nebraska avenues.

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James Manning, 19, an undergraduate, sat with his laptop on a shaded bench on the Main Quad, enjoying the unusually crisp late-summer air. He said he was glad that the air was guaranteed to be smoke-free. “I used to really struggle with asthma as a kid,” Manning said. Smoking, he said, is “terrible for your lungs, smells terrible and is unsanitary, in my opinion.” In previous years, Manning said, he was sometimes forced to endure clouds of smoke outside his dormitory’s entrance. “It’s a pretty big nuisance.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/american-university-broadens-smoking-ban-to-outdoors/2013/08/15/754d182a-05de-11e3-88d6-d5795fab4637_story.html

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Smoking ban at American University will now cover outdoors, too (Original Post) onehandle Aug 2013 OP
Anna D'Mello needs to get hip. Aristus Aug 2013 #1
Anyone else you'd like to kick off the planet? bunnies Aug 2013 #2
Well, stupid people, reality-TV show producers, and people who wear cowboy hats Aristus Aug 2013 #5
could we start with fundies? snooper2 Aug 2013 #7
Hell, yes! Fundies be damned! (Pun intended...) Aristus Aug 2013 #11
I don't think joint roaches last very long, and they are good for the soil snooper2 Aug 2013 #13
Much better for the soil, no doubt, than cigarette filters. Aristus Aug 2013 #16
I dont think they stay on the ground very long. bunnies Aug 2013 #51
I'm deathly allergic to pot smoke theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #81
Not a terribly well-thought out argument. Aristus Aug 2013 #96
Oh please theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #97
And all those fat fuckers joeglow3 Aug 2013 #17
Well, unless they are also smokers, Aristus Aug 2013 #23
Does smoking really pollute the air you breathe? Travis_0004 Aug 2013 #107
ok. That was funny. bunnies Aug 2013 #18
I don't really square with the 'both sides are wrong' argument. It's not valid. Aristus Aug 2013 #26
I didnt say anyone was wrong. bunnies Aug 2013 #32
Okay, point taken. Aristus Aug 2013 #40
Most are harmless, I agree. bunnies Aug 2013 #45
Demonizing is not good, that's for sure. Aristus Aug 2013 #50
Im sure some would. bunnies Aug 2013 #57
It's the best way to show "I'm better than you" Sotf Aug 2013 #116
exactly. bunnies Aug 2013 #117
Yes, it is, in this instance. Aristus Aug 2013 #118
Gee you are just so special! HangOnKids Aug 2013 #21
No. And I credit wide-spread smoking bans for that. Aristus Aug 2013 #28
I'm assuming you never travel by vehicle. Fawke Em Aug 2013 #31
A logical fallacy on your part: that an objection to one specific thing is a tacit Aristus Aug 2013 #43
Unfortunately many areas are trying to ban e-ciggs also Revanchist Aug 2013 #55
I tend to oppose bans predicated on the "this will lead to that" principle. Aristus Aug 2013 #60
Just to chime in - I was for the e-cig ban myself until recently bhikkhu Aug 2013 #105
This guy too? Go Vols Aug 2013 #88
Well, I'd go after the potters, kentauros Aug 2013 #10
Fantastic idea! bunnies Aug 2013 #20
Here's another one: VW's TDI technology. kentauros Aug 2013 #25
No, no, no. bunnies Aug 2013 #36
Well, in that case, kentauros Aug 2013 #42
You just try to take my Nag Champa! bunnies Aug 2013 #44
You should try some of the smokeless Japanese incenses. kentauros Aug 2013 #54
ooooh. I didnt even know there was such a thing! bunnies Aug 2013 #66
Mud-ovens, too. kentauros Aug 2013 #68
yes! bunnies Aug 2013 #70
There ya go! kentauros Aug 2013 #72
Screw it. bunnies Aug 2013 #74
!! !! kentauros Aug 2013 #76
I object to people with bad breath, ban them too! RKP5637 Aug 2013 #69
And fire-breathers at Burning Man! kentauros Aug 2013 #73
Republicans tabbycat31 Aug 2013 #38
Im down with that. bunnies Aug 2013 #48
Ahh yes the non smoking czar has all the answers HangOnKids Aug 2013 #8
Another planet, my ass! Bake Aug 2013 #9
No, I'm not allergic. Allergic reactions are triggered by histamines. Aristus Aug 2013 #15
do you wave your hand in an exaggerated manner when passing these Untouchables? elehhhhna Aug 2013 #103
No. I just move out of their poisoned penumbra as quickly as possible. Aristus Aug 2013 #119
I'm with you LordGlenconner Aug 2013 #37
At the same time, animals shit outside kentauros Aug 2013 #46
Hmm. You seem to be confusing a natural process accompanied by Aristus Aug 2013 #53
It was a quasi joke LordGlenconner Aug 2013 #58
Okay, then. I treated it as a serious rejoinder. Aristus Aug 2013 #65
Pontless, useless, addictive, deadly ... Bake Aug 2013 #89
You're welcome. Aristus Aug 2013 #98
Sanctimonious assholes should have their own planet, too. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #29
Be a considerate human being Anna... Sotf Aug 2013 #115
As of July 1st Drale Aug 2013 #3
You think the Gods for that? HangOnKids Aug 2013 #14
Feel like a big person calling someone out for a spelling error? Drale Aug 2013 #22
You edited didn't you? HangOnKids Aug 2013 #27
Dude LittleBlue Aug 2013 #30
What's their view on vaping? Revanchist Aug 2013 #4
My own view on vaping is 'go ahead.' Second-hand water vapor Aristus Aug 2013 #6
Definitely, though I'm fine with it even if its not about quitting bhikkhu Aug 2013 #110
Expect Chinese antifreeze laden nicotine spewers to be rolled into existing smoking restrictions. nt onehandle Aug 2013 #12
Then buy American and support small business Revanchist Aug 2013 #19
That sounds like what 'roll your own' people preach. onehandle Aug 2013 #84
I guess that's true Revanchist Aug 2013 #92
In my state where it is always raining Generic Other Aug 2013 #24
Every Door? HangOnKids Aug 2013 #33
Forcing others to accomodate your vice is what is horrific Generic Other Aug 2013 #49
K&R!!! It's bad enough breathing other people's breath in crowded areas, but really bad when RKP5637 Aug 2013 #71
Are you equating bad breath to cigarette smoke? Generic Other Aug 2013 #77
No, not at all ... I totally understand your point of view and agree. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2013 #80
Oh sorry, I have reading comprehension problems today Generic Other Aug 2013 #85
... RKP5637 Aug 2013 #87
Stephen King called them the 'Ten O'Clock People', Aristus Aug 2013 #35
Sounds like a bunch of losers Blaspherian Aug 2013 #41
Thats an incredibly idiotic thing to say. bunnies Aug 2013 #47
Sorry to offend you Blaspherian Aug 2013 #56
It NEVER stops raining, EVERY doorway is filled with smokers, butts are ANKLE DEEP... cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #104
Do you live in the Pacific Northwest? Generic Other Aug 2013 #111
I lived on Whidbey Island for four years. I worked outside every day. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #112
I am not exaggerating Generic Other Aug 2013 #113
I stand corrected. Many apologies. n/t cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #114
Bravo Blaspherian Aug 2013 #34
WHERE ARE THE RECOMMENDS??? alp227 Aug 2013 #39
What's so hard about understanding the definition of "dilution"? kentauros Aug 2013 #64
I feel that they should at least provide LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #52
Let 'em smoke Blaspherian Aug 2013 #61
But then the smoke would come up through the manhole covers LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #78
We have covered shelters in several places Generic Other Aug 2013 #90
Anyone have an extra cigarette ? nt clarice Aug 2013 #59
It's been interesting to watch the transformation of a smoke anywhere society ... Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2013 #62
Cigarette butts are the single most polluted item in the world. onehandle Aug 2013 #82
The things is Blaspherian Aug 2013 #63
AU once again demonstrating why the rest of DC collegians think of them as Facepalm U. Chan790 Aug 2013 #67
Facepalm U! I like that :) kentauros Aug 2013 #75
I guess that explains their mascot... bunnies Aug 2013 #79
Why are you reporting right wing "political correctness" crap here? alp227 Aug 2013 #83
Because the truth has no political bias. Chan790 Aug 2013 #93
But OTHER PEOPLE can breathe outside smoke! alp227 Aug 2013 #94
You realize you're advocating corrective discipline to impose morality, right? Chan790 Aug 2013 #95
Much as many will, I imagine, laugh at the intransigent and fundamentalist dogma i LanternWaste Aug 2013 #99
This argument for me has little to do with smoking. Chan790 Aug 2013 #102
You are MISSING the point. alp227 Aug 2013 #100
Having been a pack-a-day smoker since the summer of '84... LanternWaste Aug 2013 #86
I think you have the best attitude Generic Other Aug 2013 #91
outstanding. nt Deep13 Aug 2013 #101
and they are mild. HERVEPA Aug 2013 #106
who is? nt Deep13 Aug 2013 #108
This. Watch to the end. HERVEPA Aug 2013 #109
Bob Newhart skit on Tobacco FarCenter Aug 2013 #120

Aristus

(66,286 posts)
1. Anna D'Mello needs to get hip.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 12:56 PM
Aug 2013

I don't give a shit if she has friends who smoke. Be a friend, Anna, and tell them to stop fucking smoking!

The fact that it is an outdoor ban is irrelevant. She obviously has no idea how far cigarette smoke can travel on the wind. So far that, during the Vietnam War, field leaders often cautioned their troops not to smoke while on operations, for fear that the smoke would alert NVA and Viet Cong to their presence.

Smokers need to find another planet to smoke on. I hear Venus is nice this time of year. Sure, the atmosphere is toxic, but so is that shit you're inhaling...

Aristus

(66,286 posts)
5. Well, stupid people, reality-TV show producers, and people who wear cowboy hats
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:05 PM
Aug 2013

but aren't cowboys, for starters. But at least they're not poisoning my breathing air...

My objection arises from the outrage expressed by tobacco users to an infringement on their 'rights', all the while blissfully unaware that their idiotic habit is infringing on my right not to have to breath that shit in.

The remarks in the comments section from smokers simply re-inforces my perception of smokers as a classless mob of inconsiderate mutton-heads...

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
7. could we start with fundies?
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:07 PM
Aug 2013

after a couple billion people are gone we can spread out far enough where smokey won't get to you...

Does pot smoke piss you off too?

Aristus

(66,286 posts)
11. Hell, yes! Fundies be damned! (Pun intended...)
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:11 PM
Aug 2013

No, pot smoke doesn't piss me off, for the simple fact that I never encounter it in public places to the same degree as cigarette smoke. And, unlike our cigarette-butt-littered landscape, I never see joint-roaches all over the ground.

By and large, marijuana users seem to be a more considerate demographic than tobacco users anyway...

Aristus

(66,286 posts)
96. Not a terribly well-thought out argument.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 05:25 PM
Aug 2013

Pot smoking is effectively banned in public already, simply by virtue of marijuana's wide-spread illegality. Marijuana is now legal here in Washington State, but I haven't seen a sudden rash of public pot-smoking as a result.

Second, even if it were legal everywhere, pot-smokers would undoubtedly be required to adhere to the same public strictures as tobacco smokers.

A gallant attempt to catch me out in an inconsistency; just poorly conceived...

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
97. Oh please
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 05:39 PM
Aug 2013

I was just making a point, however hypothetical. I'm really not as stupid as your condescending response would imply. But yes, I am highly allergic to pot smoke and would no more want to sit next to a person smoking a joint than to one taking a drag on a cigarette.

Aristus

(66,286 posts)
23. Well, unless they are also smokers,
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:21 PM
Aug 2013

they're not polluting the air with the by-products of combustion, or littering the ground with cigarette butts. Being fat does not enter into my objection. You seem to be confusing a specific grievance against a specific group of people engaging in specific actions that intrude into the lives of others, for a general objection to everybody in general for no particular reason. This is not the case...

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
107. Does smoking really pollute the air you breathe?
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 09:54 PM
Aug 2013

I can understand an indoor smoking ban (even though I voted against it), but who cares if its outdoors (and away from doors and windows). I've never been bothered by a smoker outdoor. There is a lot of air out there, and plenty to go around. If you don't want to be next to a smoker, just walk a bit further around them.

(and for the record, I don't smoke, I'm just against stupid laws.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
18. ok. That was funny.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:18 PM
Aug 2013

I understand your objection to smokers. I dont have negative views of them though and think theres a lot of teh stoopid on both sides of the argument. Nicotine is extremely addictive and its not an easy habit to quit. Im more inclined to sympathize with smokers rather than shame and punish them.

I reserve my contempt for the corporations dumping shitloads of toxins into our air every day. They get a pass while smokers take all the blame for peoples breathing problems. When smokers are confined to their houses it still wont be enough for some people. I think its really sad and unfortunate.

Aristus

(66,286 posts)
26. I don't really square with the 'both sides are wrong' argument. It's not valid.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:26 PM
Aug 2013

People who object to smoking wouldn't object to it if it didn't exist. My smoke-free respiration, and specifically, my expiration, does not cause potential harm to smokers. The reverse is not true. The only way the 'both sides are wrong' argument could be valid in this instance is if my vocal objections to cigarette smoke caused physical harm to smokers.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
32. I didnt say anyone was wrong.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:30 PM
Aug 2013

I said they were stupid. Many of those article comments you mentioned are just that.

edit: clarity

Aristus

(66,286 posts)
40. Okay, point taken.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:35 PM
Aug 2013

But consider: stupid on the non-smoking side may be annoying, but is essentially harmless. Stupid on the smoking side perpetuates a deadly, addictive habit.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
45. Most are harmless, I agree.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:44 PM
Aug 2013

But I have seen some fairly aggressive anti-smoking people go out of their way to harass smokers in public. When all the demonizing empowers some to behave that way towards others, its more than annoying. Its hurtful.

Aristus

(66,286 posts)
50. Demonizing is not good, that's for sure.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:48 PM
Aug 2013

But it wouldn't surprise me at all if a smoker were to consider thoughtful, reasoned, polite, civil legislation against smoking to also be 'demonizing'.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
57. Im sure some would.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:54 PM
Aug 2013

But Im speaking more of the type of thing that goes on in these threads. Smokers are stupid, losers, they smell like hell, they're forcing others to breathe their "filth". I dont wonder why they get defensive with all the blame and derision being thrown their way.

adding: there are comments downthread which illustrate my point beautifully.

Aristus

(66,286 posts)
118. Yes, it is, in this instance.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 05:56 PM
Aug 2013

As a non-smoker, I am better than a smoker.

Now if a smoker can throw a baseball well, or draw something other than stick-figures, that is a way in which he is better than me. This does not trouble me in the least.

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
21. Gee you are just so special!
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:21 PM
Aug 2013

Do you realize how many poisons are out there...YES THERE where you live. Sanctimonious hooey. Did a smoker blow in your face today?

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
31. I'm assuming you never travel by vehicle.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:30 PM
Aug 2013

Because vehicles pollute your breathing air far more than cigarette smoke does.

Aristus

(66,286 posts)
43. A logical fallacy on your part: that an objection to one specific thing is a tacit
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:39 PM
Aug 2013

endorsement of everything not mentioned in the original objection.

Rookie mistake.

Not to mention the fact that, just as with cigarette smoking, we legislate the reduction of carbon emissions from vehicles. And just as with the e-cigarette, we are slowly adapting to emission-free modes of transportation, as well.

Revanchist

(1,375 posts)
55. Unfortunately many areas are trying to ban e-ciggs also
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:53 PM
Aug 2013

on the grounds that it will lead to tobacco use. The truth is the majority of e-cig users are former tobacco users who have transitioned to the healthier alternative.

Aristus

(66,286 posts)
60. I tend to oppose bans predicated on the "this will lead to that" principle.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:57 PM
Aug 2013

A ban on something actually harmful to others that someone is actually doing seems to be the way to go...

bhikkhu

(10,711 posts)
105. Just to chime in - I was for the e-cig ban myself until recently
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 09:44 PM
Aug 2013

...but having read a bunch of research, having taken a good look at the many forums about it, and finally after having gotten an e-cig setup for my wife, I have to say I was formerly very wrong-headed.

Nicotine by itself is a very different (and not especially bad) animal than the rotten cocktail of poisons in cigarettes, and the better e-cigs are so much better than cigarettes I think they will eventually replace them. And, as a bonus, nicotine alone is only about as addictive as caffeine.

So I'm all for stricter measures for cigarettes, but I would rather see some leeway for e-cigs. They carry a guilt-by-association that they don't deserve.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
10. Well, I'd go after the potters,
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:11 PM
Aug 2013

and their high-carbon, dry-leaf-burning practice for making crackled-glaze Raku ware. I mean, that nasty smoke goes everywhere and in huge plumes!




We can go after the welders and brazers next

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
25. Here's another one: VW's TDI technology.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:24 PM
Aug 2013

TDI = Turbo-Diesel Injection

While it makes for a wonderfully high-mpg rating, it also puts out high levels of fine-particulate soot, the kind that coat our lungs and cause major health problems. I don't know if anyone has ever compared the emissions between one TDI engine and one smoker, though...

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
36. No, no, no.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:34 PM
Aug 2013

You see, thats perfectly ok because a corporation is doing it. The point here is just to target individual people doing something completely legal. The corporations that dump all that toxic shit in our air everyday are not to be blamed here. Damn people doing legal shit. WTF?!

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
42. Well, in that case,
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:37 PM
Aug 2013

we need to add those New Agers that insist on burning their Nag Champa incense and using essential oils on everything!

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
54. You should try some of the smokeless Japanese incenses.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:52 PM
Aug 2013

They are quite nice. I have some (can't remember the varieties now) that I burn in a bowl of ash to both collect what falls and hold the stick up

We need to go after the physics departments on campuses, too, what with all that high-energy plasma causing all that ozone pollution. Not to mention what they do for fun with LOX and campfire grills...

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
66. ooooh. I didnt even know there was such a thing!
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 02:06 PM
Aug 2013
Im definitely going to have to get my hands on some of that. Thanks for the tip!

Oh... campfire grills? Im glad you brought that up. Sometimes my neighbors grill smoke makes it way into my yard. Just who the hell gives them permission to smoke-up MY air? Thats it. Time to take this ban the smokers thing all the way. We need a zero tolerance policy on grilling outside. Wont someone think of the children?
 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
70. yes!
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 02:15 PM
Aug 2013

And candles. Do you know what those damn things are made of? And the STINK of some of 'em! Ugh. Gross candle-burners.
<---- what a loser.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
72. There ya go!
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 02:21 PM
Aug 2013

Oh, and pilot lights! Haven't water-heater manufacturers heard of electrostatic ignition by now?!

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
74. Screw it.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 02:25 PM
Aug 2013

Lets just ban fire! Smoke pollution problem solved. I must alert the peeps at Nobel so they can give me my prize.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
73. And fire-breathers at Burning Man!
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 02:23 PM
Aug 2013

They're just making the event that much hotter and adding to global warming, if mostly not more than a few feet from the ground

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
8. Ahh yes the non smoking czar has all the answers
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:10 PM
Aug 2013

I don't smoke but I could give 2 shits about those that do. You do live where they have cars? Maybe Venus would work for you, they don't have cars last I checked.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
9. Another planet, my ass!
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:11 PM
Aug 2013

I guess you're "allergic" to cigarette smoke.

Please don't fart on this planet. I'm allergic to it.

Bake

Aristus

(66,286 posts)
15. No, I'm not allergic. Allergic reactions are triggered by histamines.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:15 PM
Aug 2013

I don't suffer an abnormal histamine reaction when I breathe cigarette smoke. But it does serve as a contact irritant to nasal mucosal surfaces, and the bronchial tree. Those chemical irritants are carcinogenic. Allergies don't enter the picture.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
103. do you wave your hand in an exaggerated manner when passing these Untouchables?
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 09:27 PM
Aug 2013

If not we're cool.

If so it's douchy. Stop.

Aristus

(66,286 posts)
119. No. I just move out of their poisoned penumbra as quickly as possible.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 06:00 PM
Aug 2013

Yeah, I don't like that gesture, either...

 

LordGlenconner

(1,348 posts)
37. I'm with you
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:34 PM
Aug 2013

I'm no longer a smoker and am glad I quit but the militant line of thinking here is ridiculous. Anyone ever go into a public bathroom while someone is taking a shit? You're breathing in their poop vapor, which while not toxic, is extremely gross when you think about it in that way, yet most wouldn't bat an eye.

So everyone, please stop shitting in public restrooms. I don't care to breathe air that comes out of your asshole.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
46. At the same time, animals shit outside
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:44 PM
Aug 2013

and we never smell any of that, despite the millions and millions of them in the outdoors. Why? A single word that gets dismissed all too often in discussions like this: dilution. The atmosphere is huge, and thus, so is the outdoors. Separate the smokers a hundred feet or more from the doorways and walkways, and most people will never know they are there.

Better yet, give them a nice water-wall fountain in a half or partial circle around their smoking area. The negative ions and higher humidity will cut down the smoke and odors immensely while giving them a tranquil place to smoke

Aristus

(66,286 posts)
53. Hmm. You seem to be confusing a natural process accompanied by
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:52 PM
Aug 2013

natural, sometimes unpleasant, by-products (ingestion and egestion), with a pointless, useless, addictive deadly habit. Another logical fallacy. See above.

Edited to add: However bad someone's #2 may smell, I never think: "Well, you know, that wouldn't have happened if they had just refrained from eating..."

 

LordGlenconner

(1,348 posts)
58. It was a quasi joke
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:55 PM
Aug 2013

And admittedly probably not very funny. There's no confusion, though. I do find people's shit stink infinitely more disgusting than cigarette smoke, though I concede that is a matter of personal preference.

Aristus

(66,286 posts)
65. Okay, then. I treated it as a serious rejoinder.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 02:03 PM
Aug 2013

Although there is something to be said for the fact that we tend to confine public defecation to specialized places, often very-well ventilated, with infrastructure specifically tasked with getting rid of the offending matter in a sanitary way. If offensive smells transmit beyond the boundaries of these designated spots, people register complaints.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
89. Pontless, useless, addictive, deadly ...
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 02:59 PM
Aug 2013

You just said all we need to know.

Thank you, Smoke Police.

Bake

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
29. Sanctimonious assholes should have their own planet, too.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:28 PM
Aug 2013

It would make this one so much more pleasant.

Drale

(7,932 posts)
3. As of July 1st
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:00 PM
Aug 2013

The University of Illinois at Chicago or UIC is a smoke free Campus and I thank all the Gods for that. I'm tired of coming out of class and walking through a cloud of smoke because people feel the need to slowly commit suicide.

Drale

(7,932 posts)
22. Feel like a big person calling someone out for a spelling error?
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:21 PM
Aug 2013

I would bet you've derided someone at some time for cyber-bullying, well my friend you've just indulged in a minor form of it.

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
27. You edited didn't you?
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:26 PM
Aug 2013

You equate this with bullying? Really? Sorry not playing Drale but GO CUBS!

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
30. Dude
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:30 PM
Aug 2013

Nowadays, people are typing on phones with weird autocorrect and such.

That person just made a typing error.

Aristus

(66,286 posts)
6. My own view on vaping is 'go ahead.' Second-hand water vapor
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:06 PM
Aug 2013

at least is not hurting my lungs, or the users' lungs for that matter. Anything that helps them to quit...

bhikkhu

(10,711 posts)
110. Definitely, though I'm fine with it even if its not about quitting
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 10:41 PM
Aug 2013

I got my wife a nice set-up a little while ago, and that was the thing. She smokes because she wants to smoke, and its nobody's business (which I find no point in arguing with). But plenty of people, especially in Europe and the UK, vape because they want to vape, and aren't interested in quitting.

So she can vape all she wants and not get cancer, and not quit, which is fine. Its clean, and no more harm or addictive than coffee, really.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
12. Expect Chinese antifreeze laden nicotine spewers to be rolled into existing smoking restrictions. nt
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:12 PM
Aug 2013

Revanchist

(1,375 posts)
19. Then buy American and support small business
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:18 PM
Aug 2013

All of my liquid is made in the US in store. Started out using the Chinese cartridges but now I only get nationally made liquid, so I'm supporting local businesses.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
84. That sounds like what 'roll your own' people preach.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 02:40 PM
Aug 2013

And yet almost no smokers do this. They do what's easy. Go to the quickie mart. Buy a corporate produced pack.

Revanchist

(1,375 posts)
92. I guess that's true
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:14 PM
Aug 2013

Most people take the quickest and easiest way out, I used to make my own cigarettes when I used tobacco also, always looking for the cheapest solution to satisfy my vices.

edit:

You have to admit though, e-ciggs are generally safer for those to use them compared to tobacco cigarettes due to the abundance of chemicals in commercial cigarettes and are less offensive to those around them due to fact that they only emit water vapor and less aroma than most perfume/cologne users.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
24. In my state where it is always raining
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:21 PM
Aug 2013

the smokers formed a gauntlet in front of every door. While there were other covered places where they could stand, they always huddled in front of the door, blowing smoke in everyone's faces and blocking entrances. And the cigarette butts were ankle deep even when ashtrays were provided. So maybe the smokers are responsible for their own banishment.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
49. Forcing others to accomodate your vice is what is horrific
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:48 PM
Aug 2013

And yes, every door entering any building on campus had smokers clustered in them to shelter from the rain between classes when everyone was trying to go in or out.

Now you may not think that is horrific, but for non-smokers who have allergies and other upper respiratory issues it is an issue to have to hold your breath to enter a building, push past loitering smokers who won't move so others can enter or exit. In front of twenty buildings on campus.

In the 60s, students and profs smoked in class. Hard to imagine such a thing today. Then the state outlawed smoking in state buildings including offices some that took years to air out! The ban on the smoking by the doors was followed by a campus-wide ban including suspending tobacco sales at the school bookstore.

I was skeptical at first that it would work, but the smokers complied. And it really is nicer to work in an environment where you are not forced to breathe another person's poison that they thoughtlessly blow in your face.

We have been smoke-free outdoors for about 10 years now. Times have changed since the days when all buildings were smoke-filled. Most smokers do not inflict their habit on others these days. And the non-smokers appreciate that.

RKP5637

(67,086 posts)
71. K&R!!! It's bad enough breathing other people's breath in crowded areas, but really bad when
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 02:17 PM
Aug 2013

it stinks.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
77. Are you equating bad breath to cigarette smoke?
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 02:28 PM
Aug 2013

Because that really isn't comparable to having a dozen or more smokers impeding every entrance to a college between every class blowing nasty smelling cancerous smoke that is harmful to one's health at others.

I am surprised that anyone would object to the rules. At my workplace they have been in place so long, students have really never questioned the policies.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
85. Oh sorry, I have reading comprehension problems today
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 02:51 PM
Aug 2013

I did think comparing smokers to those with bad breath was like comparing a candle to a forest fire.

Aristus

(66,286 posts)
35. Stephen King called them the 'Ten O'Clock People',
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:32 PM
Aug 2013

in a short story of his. Now whenever I see a group of them huddled outside an office building, that's how I think of them.

 

Blaspherian

(94 posts)
56. Sorry to offend you
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:54 PM
Aug 2013

Didn't know you condoned blocking entry into a public building by smokers gauntlet.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
104. It NEVER stops raining, EVERY doorway is filled with smokers, butts are ANKLE DEEP...
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 09:36 PM
Aug 2013

I'm glad you don't exaggerate. Anyway, it sounds like the second paragraph of a good short story.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
111. Do you live in the Pacific Northwest?
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 10:51 PM
Aug 2013

Average precipitation 39.2 inches. And that's average! The extremes are wet wet years indeed. Try walking to classes between 20+ buildings spread out across a large campus every winter during years when we had less than two weeks of sunshine the whole year. When we count down the record rainfall or record flooding or see the picture of the salmon swimming across the highway near the county line. We get a lot of rain, and I walk in it every day. It is the major impression I have after years of wading through it. Forgive the hyperbole. But when it rains 55 days in a row, it is easy to feel like it is always gray and wet. And wet cigarette butts do pile up ankle deep.

on edit: Actually they float.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
112. I lived on Whidbey Island for four years. I worked outside every day.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 10:58 PM
Aug 2013

I loved it, but you're exaggerating.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
113. I am not exaggerating
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 11:16 PM
Aug 2013

There are permanent sandbags along the fire exit by the old computer lab that routinely floods when it rains. The terrain of badly leaking old buildings means doorways are usually filled with standing watew and cigarette butts. Whidbey Island does not get the same level of rain as the south sound which is hemmed in by two mountain ranges.

My muddy shoes do not exaggerate nor do my wet toes. The dozen broken umbrellas sitting in my office do not exaggerate either. Whidbey Island! Average 31 inches. Pfft A desert oasis compared to here.

alp227

(32,006 posts)
39. WHERE ARE THE RECOMMENDS???
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:35 PM
Aug 2013

Did the tobacco industry infiltrate DU or something? What's so hard about not forcing others to breathe your filth?

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
64. What's so hard about understanding the definition of "dilution"?
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 02:02 PM
Aug 2013
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dilute

The atmosphere is absolutely huge when compared to even a large group of smokers outside. There are no ceilings, no walls, only the ground, and often there's a breeze. Only the existence of the ground remains for comparison for those smoking indoors, where dilution, or lack thereof, is a major problem.

Why not just require a smoking area at least a hundred feet from all doorways and walkways (easily done on most university/college campuses) along with a fountain to help cut down on their emissions? The fountain creates negative ions and humidity that help precipitate those odors and particulate out of the immediate atmosphere, further diluting the offensive emissions. You'd never know they were there!

LostOne4Ever

(9,286 posts)
52. I feel that they should at least provide
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:51 PM
Aug 2013

SOMEWHERE for people to smoke.

If you are worried about the air from 50 feet away then maybe somewhere ventilated. The way the article makes it sound would leave no where for people to smoke.

LostOne4Ever

(9,286 posts)
78. But then the smoke would come up through the manhole covers
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 02:29 PM
Aug 2013

And people would complain.

How about offering heavily ventilated areas in select locations.

Though as a life long non-smoker (though my parents used to smoke, and I do have friends who smoke), I do not see the issue of having out of door smoking areas. Being far away from everyone else and the smoke going into the sky rather into other people's faces sounds like a good idea.

And as noted above cars and other combustion machines create far worse contribution to the air than a sole smoker.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
90. We have covered shelters in several places
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:00 PM
Aug 2013

for smokers. I suppose this will include pot smokers soon.

As I said upthread, smokers seem to have accepted the smoke-free campus idea as it is about 10+ years old and hasn't really encountered much resistance other than the occasional scofflaw.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,311 posts)
62. It's been interesting to watch the transformation of a smoke anywhere society ...
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:58 PM
Aug 2013

... to a mostly smoke free society.

I remember watching the clerk sweeping up butts on the floor or our local grocery. Smokers have, as a whole, always been self entitled slobs that left their mess for someone else to pick up. They might not see it that way. They may see it as the way it's always been - having someone clean up after them.

Sorry for the word slobs but that's just the way it is. When you throw your garbage on the floor/ground, you are a slob.

Last spring, I happened to walk past a Starbucks after the thaw and saw now less than 500, maybe a thousand, butts that accumulated on the sidewalk and were covered up by snow until the temperatures warmed. Talk about disgusting.

I spent the first 10 years of my work career having to sit through meetings where the smoke would be so thick it would hang down at about waist height by the time the meeting were over. God only knows how much extra I spent dry-cleaning suits. Some of the guys I worked with died of heart attacks in their 40s. I always wonder how much damage I incurred to my system so some idiot could burn some rolled up leaves inside.

I just don't have any pity for poor put upon smokers for having to keep their stupid habits to themselves.


onehandle

(51,122 posts)
82. Cigarette butts are the single most polluted item in the world.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 02:38 PM
Aug 2013

They think when they cast away this 'tiny' remnant, that it magically disappears.

Nope. They can clog sit in the ecosphere for decades, clogging water systems and leaking poison into lives.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
67. AU once again demonstrating why the rest of DC collegians think of them as Facepalm U.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 02:07 PM
Aug 2013

It's the sort of place where if 1 person finds 1 thing enjoyable, 5 people have to try to ban it. Political correctness, nosiness, NIMBYism and liberal-authoritarianism run amuck.

I'm going to go hang in the quad with a Camel and my friend Jim Beam while talking on my cell phone about having sex in the dorms. (That's 4 things AU has banned or attempted to ban from campus in the past 15 years: tobacco, alcohol, noise-polluting electronic devices and sex. Only the last one was met with any real sense of absurdity.)

alp227

(32,006 posts)
83. Why are you reporting right wing "political correctness" crap here?
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 02:38 PM
Aug 2013

And the thing with outdoor smoking...OTHER PEOPLE are affected.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
93. Because the truth has no political bias.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:26 PM
Aug 2013

They really are a laughing stock with their ever more absurd efforts to modulate and control the daily lives of their students. I went to college in a strict religious seminary at The Catholic University of America and there was less of a coercive effort to regulate the lives of the students. RWers are not the only people capable of being totalitarian controlling fuckwits. American University has taken it to high comedic art repeatedly.

Generally, no actually. Unless you're in a partially-enclosed space or right on top of a point-of-egress, it's been shown repeatedly that outdoor smoking has a near-zero environmental-quality impact; the smoke dissipates too quickly into too large of a volume of air to have any appreciable impact whatsoever. It has less of an effect than direct sunlight on smog and the natural release of putrefying gases from trash cans. I'm hardly a smoking activist, in fact I'm in favor of banning the cancer sticks completely...but there is a need to remain confined to reality and fact so one does not become absurd. Outdoor smoking bans on the basis of public nuisance are absurd.

alp227

(32,006 posts)
94. But OTHER PEOPLE can breathe outside smoke!
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:46 PM
Aug 2013

Do you not believe in the right not to be forced to breathe other people's filth?

And here are examples of pollution caused by outdoor smoking:
http://www.repace.com/pdf/outdoorair.pdf
http://www.repace.com/pdf/OTS_FACT_SHEET.pdf
http://news.stanford.edu/news/2007/may9/smoking-050907.html
http://news.stanford.edu/news/2007/may9/smoking-050907.html

It's not that difficult to understand not everyone wants to breathe one's filth. Or see others' vulgarity (regarding so-called political correctness).

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
95. You realize you're advocating corrective discipline to impose morality, right?
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 05:16 PM
Aug 2013

Who said anything about seeing? There is no seeing involved here. It's people butting into other residents lives...think all the things the state can't invade your privacy for and realize the university's position is that they can invade your privacy for any reason they see fit to enforce their imposition of social values they (and apparently you) find appropriate. In public and private. With or without cause. Even conduct that is legal.

Are you on the side of freedom or the side of the Moral Majority? The side of the right to privacy and civil liberties or the side of imposed morality and Big Brother? Me? I support freedom. You're free to support the authoritarian imposition of morality...you, American University, Mary Ann Glendon and Rick Santorum. I'm still going to make fun of all of you for it.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
99. Much as many will, I imagine, laugh at the intransigent and fundamentalist dogma i
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 07:09 PM
Aug 2013

Much as many will, I imagine, laugh at the intransigent and fundamentalist dogma implying that one either has the freedom to smoke wherever, whenever, and onto whoever they want; or is guilty of bowing at the feet of that diaphanous and over-dramatic "Big Brother". A rather stark (and fallacious) choice, lacking both thought and nuance (not to mention knowledge of relevant law).

Being a smoker myself, I think I'll allow myself a few giggles at that astounding particular lack of critical thought and context, and then dismiss it as little more than a badly conceived melodrama.





(You may insert a sad, but righteous rationalization here to better justify the irrational...)

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
102. This argument for me has little to do with smoking.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 09:24 PM
Aug 2013

It's about yet another overreach by the moral imprimaturs of American University to impose social-behavior and morality that they find appropriate on a society in which they are a very-small vocal morality. Any Democrat or progressive that condones that kind of overreach and conduct isn't truly any different from those on the right that attempt to impose their morality universally on the rest of society.

You see smoking, I see the same identical justifications and argumentation I get when I run into my friend from college Kate (who works for National Right-to-Life) who feels it's vital to tell me whether I really want to discuss it or not why it's imperative to well-functioning society that no woman have the right to ever have an abortion. It's bullshit no matter which side of the political divide you're on and there is no appropriate response to it other that dogmatic intransigence. Now I find myself closing in quoting that eternal enemy of the fundamentalist right and authoritarianism, Barry Goldwater:

I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!

alp227

(32,006 posts)
100. You are MISSING the point.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 09:07 PM
Aug 2013

Complain all you want about busybodies, but SOMEBODY has got to intervene into people who butt into other people's health by burning cigarette butts, no pun intended. In the REAL WORLD, the majority of people do not want to breathe other people's filth! Not to mention some people are ALLERGIC to tobacco and can get very ill or even die with a whiff of tobacco! And the real world has RULES too. Don't like American University's rules? Find another college instead of a religious one.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
86. Having been a pack-a-day smoker since the summer of '84...
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 02:53 PM
Aug 2013

Having been a pack-a-day smoker since the summer of '84 (and still smoking a pack a day), I can empathize with the grade-school defensive posturing and petulant labels of "nanny-stater" and "authoritarian" from my fellow smokers to a certain degree, yet I have pretty much relegated myself to smoking only in my apartment and in my car.

As an adult, I can't really justify pushing it onto those around who don't wish it, or rationalize my habit in allowing its damage and unpleasantness onto others. If I did think that way, I be forced to call myself 'self-centered.'

But I'm quite certain that many selfish people will in fact, justify it, and rant on with a gloriously righteous rage about a Stasi-style police state denying us the freedom to blow smoke onto whomever, whenever and wherever we want to.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
91. I think you have the best attitude
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:12 PM
Aug 2013

It is called common courtesy. And being honest about the effects of second-hand smoke on others. In the long run, denying yourself a few cigarettes will ultimately not hurt you right?

I recall my father making the decision to smoke outside when he wanted to quit. It slowed him down a bit. And the inconvenience was self-inflicted because he loved his non-smoking family enough to want to clear the air.

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