Rand Paul in his own words

[ProSense]

Rand Paul: Any attack on Israel will be treated as an attack on the United States
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022472458

Disappointing those who 'stand with Rand'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022742805

Keep this on hand. The Rand Paul "could win" arguments will be as pervasive as the claims about Ron Paul.

[Dawson Leery]

1. Julian Assange loves Rand!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017139295

[Rex]

2. He has a real problem with drones spying on you (him) in the hot tub.

Drones turning criminals into paste in front of the 7-11? In front of the family stopping off for a cold drink? Nah, not them either really.

"Danny, that was a bad guy exploding in front of you so it is okay and all American - now let's go get a soda!"

[hlthe2b]

3. As much as some would like to equate the two, support for NSA reform & critcism of same, does NOT

equate to unequivocal support for Snowden, Greenwald, or even Weyden, Udall and the Guardian.

And it certainly does not equate to support of any degree at all, for Rand Paul (or Daddy Ron).


I, for one am really tired of thinly veiled efforts to conflate these and I know damned well, that I am not alone.

[awoke_in_2003]

21. Yep, too much black and white thinking lately...

We are supposed to be better than that. I disagree with the surveillance culture, but don't worship Snowden. I think we should stop meddling in the rest of the world, but I am not a Paulbot.

[arcane1]

26. That's the one and only reason I have not expressed ANY opinion on the NSA

No matter what I say, no matter which "side" I take, there will be a barrage of name-calling waiting for me.

[War Horse]

27. Agreed

Just like suspicion towards Greenwald and Snowden's motives does not equate support for a surveillance state either. I guess we can agree on that.

[NuclearDem]

4. Whew, and here I was about to oppose illegal spying, drones, and civil liberties abuses

But knowing Rand Paul is an asshole sure set me to right!

[BumRushDaShow]

5. A Libertarian Neo-Con

What a twisted world he lives in.

[Union Scribe]

6. Obama: U.S. Will Stand With Israel If Attacked

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/22/barack-obama-israel_n_2003964.html

And, well, we know what he thinks about killing U.S. citizens.

Maybe you should have picked different issues?

[NuclearDem]

7. Ouch.

[DevonRex]

16. You were in the other thread that said Paul's anti-war. So WTF?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3474610
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023474610#post3

[ProSense]

8. So Paul is no different from Obama?

"Maybe you should have picked different issues?"

No, that issue is ideal. Did you watch the clip and hear his views on foreign aid and Iraeli settlements?

I mean, fans like to claim Rand and his father are anti-war.

The drone thing is classic.

[Union Scribe]

9. Wait, are you against drones now?

If so, you're opposing the President. If not, you agree with the Pauls, and are by your own logic a Paul "fan". You really do like painting yourself into corners don't you?

[ProSense]

10. Do you support droning suspected liquor-store robbers?

I don't. Do you?

Did you: Stand With Rand?

[cherokeeprogressive]

12. "No, that issue is ideal." Ideal for WHAT?

[DevonRex]

18. To refute the claim that Rand Paul is anti-war

which he is not. But some people like to push that meme here. And you'd better believe it that if Israel were attacked and Rand Paul were president he'd have NSA running at full capacity and then some.

People who don't understand that are simply way out of their depth on this topic. Most don't even know who the main players are and what the best and worst outcomes are for them.

[DevonRex]

14. Did you miss the claim that Rand was anti-war so liberals flock to him?

Just in case you missed it tonight, here it is:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3474610

And that's why ProSense posted Rand Paul's words. He's NOT anti-war, as some like to say here on DU.

[Union Scribe]

19. Maybe you posted the wrong link

because that one didn't say anything about Rand Paul being anti-war. It talked about "Ron Paul types"--that is, populist libertarians who sometimes, embarrassingly, have better stances on issues than Dem leadership does.

And no, Rand Paul isn't anti-war. He's pro-drone. Just like Obama.

[DevonRex]

20. And Rand is certainly a Ron Paul type.

The entire kerfuffle has been about people not wanting to be associated with Rand Paul. I'd say it was trying to be a bit too clever by half, using the phrase Ron Paul types instead of what was meant - Libertarians, period.

Well, Libertarians are NOT liberals. Not by any stretch of the imagination. I don't care what adjective you throw in front of the word. Populist? That's just a silly attempt to distract and deflect. Libertarians are RW.

[Tarheel_Dem]

11. Which is what makes this all the more ridiculous!

I have absolutely no respect for Ms. Benjamin and her ilk.

[Cha]

13. And, this is the asshole who's "going to save America"?

According to stupid.

thanks PS

[uponit7771]

15. Anyone else think this Paulinian reaction to SnowGlen is aimed at Obama care?! What is the use

...of having the 4th when the 15th is under attack!?

I'd be screaming about votes etc that the GOP is marginalizing

Have 1 - 2 more million dems vote than kkkons but the house still stays kkkon!?

[ProSense]

22. Kick! n/t

[Savannahmann]

23. Kicking your own thread?

Isn't that a little childish?

[ProSense]

24. Yes, and

"Kicking your own thread? Isn't that a little childish?"

...no.

Pretending this is an issue is, though.

Despite that, thanks for kicking the thread.

[bunnies]

25. Geezus!!!

I hadn't seen the second one. Holy shit. Bookmarked. Thanks Pro.

[greatauntoftriplets]

28. To sort of quote EarlG...

(who said it about Daddy Paul) Fuck Rand Paul!

[mstinamotorcity2]

29. Rand Paul is a Jackass.

without the Jack.