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Stinky The Clown

(67,776 posts)
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 10:36 AM Aug 2013

I believe the government when it says there was no domestic spying.

Yes or no?


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1 (4%)
No
23 (96%)
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I believe the government when it says there was no domestic spying. (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Aug 2013 OP
Been going on for more than 40 years. Went ballistic after 9-11. NT. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #1
How can anyone say what is going on. upaloopa Aug 2013 #2
There have been leaks investigations and revelations all along. Just pay attention. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #3
Agree. We seem to have an illusion of freedom in this country - TBF Aug 2013 #5
Surveillance is spying Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #4
Nice poll, Stinky'. Octafish Aug 2013 #6
"No" isn't quite right. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #7
I believe a basher and an idiot even less though uponit7771 Aug 2013 #8
Do you feel better for having called me an idiot? Shame on you. Stinky The Clown Aug 2013 #9
You Snowden?! Dont be so sensitive please uponit7771 Aug 2013 #10

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
2. How can anyone say what is going on.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 11:30 AM
Aug 2013

We wouldn't even be having this discussion if information wasn't leaked.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
3. There have been leaks investigations and revelations all along. Just pay attention.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 11:49 AM
Aug 2013

But indeed "we" don't officially know even the broad outline of what is going on. How can a representative democracy function with essentially zero transparency? It is a rhetorical question. It can't. The combination of a closed, walled off, authoritarian national security state and a government completely corrupted by financial organizations with a vested interest in that security state is lethal. Our republic is broken.

TBF

(32,029 posts)
5. Agree. We seem to have an illusion of freedom in this country -
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 12:01 PM
Aug 2013

they let us spout off some which makes it different from some authoritarian regimes. But they do watch and the imperialism is strong.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
4. Surveillance is spying
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 11:59 AM
Aug 2013

So I think you should
edit it to Surveillance/spying.


The STAZI never said they were spying on their citizens they were just doing surveillance.

They are synonyms for the same behavior

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
6. Nice poll, Stinky'.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 12:51 PM
Aug 2013


BTW: Gen Clapper is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.

Stinky The Clown

(67,776 posts)
9. Do you feel better for having called me an idiot? Shame on you.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 08:55 PM
Aug 2013

Let's have a really straight talk.

You keep coming into my threads and posting things similar to what you posted here and you begin to look like an obsessed fan. This has been going on for quite a little while. And that's fine, if it helps you feel good about yourself.

I want to explain something, just for you. I don't like the rightward tilt of the Democratic party of late. And I especially don't like the hateful tone with which its defenders defend it. Do they think they're helping those of us not in the thrall of the politicians they defend toward suddenly having an epiphany?

Far too many of the party's prominent personages are pretty much the same sorts that would have been Rockefeller Republicans in my youth. Most of that bunch were actually good people. Not liberals, but not hard right nutters. Back in that era, the hard right were intellectual nutters like William F Buckley and the John Birchers. The Democrats back then saw Scoop Jackson as an anomaly in the party's mainstream. Nowadays he'd be totally mainstream, or maybe even seen as liberal.

Today, as the Repubican Party is moving its mainstream to right wing crazy land, the liberal (by comparison) Republicans have bailed and become Democrats. As Democrats, they have far too much influence in our party than their late comer status ought to deserve. Yet they seem to be the media darlings and seem to be seen as typical of our fundamental principles.

They aren't.

You're not going to change my mind on anything. And I don't expect I'll ever change yours. Nor do I particularly care about you enough to want to change it.

So, unless you do it for some perverse pleasure, just stay out of my threads and we can both coexist peacefully. I get that you don't like me. That's okay. I'll have to just learn to live with that personal deprivation. The feeling is probably mutual, except for one significant difference. I don't pay you any attention unless you post to me as you did here. Apart from those encounters with you, you pretty don't even exist for me.

I, on the other hand, choose not to follow you around posting insult filled rebuttals when you haven't even addressed me directly.

Now why not just run along and find another sandbox in which to play.

And have a swell rest of the weekend.


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