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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsVery cool protest at World Track and Field Championship in Russia!
Wow! I'm in awe. These women are brave!
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/olympics-fourth-place-medal/russian-gold-medalists-kiss-medal-stand-world-championships-132337366.html
In Russia I'm sure this had a very large live audience. I'm sure the Russian authorities are not happy. I hope they don't initiate sanctions against these brave young women. I'm worried that they will never run for Russia again but I'm sure they considered that before doing this action.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)now I'm a huge fan. These women also won the Gold which has been a sport dominated by the Americans for 12 years prior to this. The Russian fans were cheering wildly when they won so I'm sure they were paying attention during the medal ceremony.
LeftofObama
(4,243 posts)DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)As a protest against their anti-gay host I think the closing ceremony of the winter Olympics will set a new record for the largest kissing event in the history of the world.
Sotf
(76 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)you are probably right. They showed real guts in that 4x400m relay too. What a damn shame if they can't run on the world stage anymore.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)burnodo
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stlsaxman
(9,236 posts)ajk2821
(89 posts)I hope that the US or some country that has athletes in the popular winter sports (figure skating/hockey/etc) wear outfits that have rainbow flags or colors on them. What would Russia do? Not allow them to perform? Not show them on national TV? Arrest them?
napkinz
(17,199 posts)just as in 1968 ...
rurallib
(62,406 posts)those guys had tremendous guts.
Those women have tremendous guts.
Igel
(35,300 posts)Some Russians agree it's a protest.
A lot don't.
Some don't know.
It seems to depend on politics. There are those who want to see it as a protest and those who don't. Both have reasons for their interpretation.
Most are amused that the "Europeans" (or, disparagingly, the гейропейцы seem to obsess over this and have such a single-minded view. Comes from cultural narrowness, I suspect.
Perhaps Ryzhova and Firova will clarify. Note that the article oddly says that Firova is decidedly male, "Firov". Another one of those irritating cultural things. Names in -ov show gender. And now i'm interested in finding out if there's the whole "gender in language" thing with lesbian females whose names show gender insisting on masculine forms of their names and of past tense verbs, etc. (Russian past-tense verbs show gender.)
There's a long tradition of being more expressive in Russian. Brezhnev kissed Honecker on the lips--there's a famous photo of it. There's even a nifty stamp of two Russian soldiers kissing over the joy Germany's defeat. Nothing sexual involved. I've seen a girls, when excited, kiss each other. It's more common in older movies and literature and among younger girls, but it still happens. And I've seen straight young women walk hand in hand or arm in arm as they talked about their cheesy boyfriends. It's less often that guys kiss each other, but if they're friends, esp. close in something like the military, they can still do the arm-in-arm thing, esp. if in uniform.
And getting drunk together? Arms around each other.
Still, it was a day after another athlete said disparaging things. And the law even prompted, it seems, one athlete to say that if she won a medal she specifically wouldn't kiss her rival on the lips lest it break the law. (She's not gay.)
When I saw the photo and thought they were Swedes, I assumed they were gay. When I saw they were Russian my response was, "Girls kiss when they're really excited." As a protest, it's ambiguous. Unless they come out and say something.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)Interesting... After all our culture is quite different in this regard. Yeah when I think about from an international perspective I realize that.
So I can't imagine how they could face sanctions from the Russian track federation unless they speak out about it.
It does still point out to our culture a rather interesting form of potential protest for our own athletes. I wonder if the USTF would sanction a US athlete for this?
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,783 posts)but I don't think that was a protest. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. . .and sometimes a kiss is just a kiss.
Then again, their "beloved leader" Brezhnev used to kiss men all the time, in greeting.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
I think Putin and the Kremlin, and by extension the Russian sports federation and Olympic officials, are now learning the hard way that they can't have it both ways. Either same-sex kissing is a universal worldwide accepted PDA or it's a sexual perversion. Which is it?????
What happened at the world championships (track and field) this summer is just the beginning.
Here's hoping the Games in Sochi are the "gayest" Games ever, with all sorts of gestures, rainbow pins, rainbow flags, etc. Putin, the Kremlin, and the International Olympic Committee cannot do squat about that. That beats a boycott by any measure - and it's much more fun to watch the bad guys squirm on worldwide media.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)I don't see how they can prevent athletes from displaying their colors nor can they condemn them for "sharing their joy" because (as we see here) it is very subjective and open to cultural interpretations.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)Gay people deserve to not feel hunted. Especially when representing their country at a sporting event.