Juan Cole- Greenwald Partner falsely detained as Terrorist: How to Create a Dictatorship

[Catherina]

Greenwald Partner falsely detained as Terrorist: How to Create a Dictatorship

Posted on 08/19/2013 by Juan Cole

How to turn a democracy into a STASI authoritarian state in 10 easy steps:

1. Misuse the concept of a Top Secret government document (say, the date of D-Day) and extend classification to trillions of mundane documents a year.

2. Classify all government crimes and violations of the Constitution as secret

...

5. Classify environmental activists as terrorists while allowing Big Coal and Big Oil to pollute and destroy the planet

6. Share info gained from NSA spying on public with DEA, FBI, local law enforcement to protect pharmaceuticals & liquor industry from competition from pot, or to protect polluters from activists

7. Falsify to judges and defense attorneys how allegedly incriminating info was discovered

8. Lie and deny to Congress you are spying on the public.

9. Criminalize the revelation of government crimes and spying as Espionage

10. Further criminalize whistleblowing as “Terrorism”, have compradors arrest innocent people, detain them, and confiscate personal effects with no cause or warrant (i.e. David Miranda, partner of Glenn Greenwald)

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http://www.juancole.com/2013/08/greenwald-terrorist-dictatorship.html

[limpyhobbler]

1. Holy crap he nailed it.

Best listicle ever.

[snappyturtle]

2. This is good news that Juan Cole is speaking out and

bringing up dictatorship....whoa...brave. I'm so glad he did.
Maybe more people will open their eyes.

[Marr]

3. +1

[struggle4progress]

4. Detaining someone for a few hours is fairly thin gruel for dictatorships go

... me siento solo y perdido
una vela alumbra mi camino
cruzando tierras que nunca he visto ...
fences that fail and fall to the ground
bearing the fruit from Jara's hands

[BainsBane]

5. Round up thousands in a soccer stadium

Some murdered on the spot and others detained, others like Victor Jarra, tortured for months before finally being killed. That's what a brutal dictatorship is, not detaining someone at an airport for a few hours. If the man had disappeared under a dictatorship like Chile's or Argentina's during the 70s and 80s, there would be no trace of him. The media wouldn't broadcast his detention. He would simply disappear and his family, if they were very lucky, might one day find his remains in a mass grave.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_violations_during_the_Military_government_of_Chile

http://www.amazon.com/Evidence-Torture-Amnesty-International-Report/dp/0862100534/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1376898666&sr=1-2&keywords=torture+chile

http://www.amazon.com/House-Spirits-Novel-Isabel-Allende/dp/0553383809/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1376898716&sr=1-1&keywords=house+of+the+spirits

http://www.amazon.com/Prisoner-Without-Name-Number-AMERICAS/dp/0299182444/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1376898637&sr=1-1&keywords=jacobo+timmerman

http://www.amazon.com/Miracle-Universe-Settling-Accounts-Torturers/dp/0226893944

[uponit7771]

6. BULLLLLLLLLLLLLL SHIT!! Greenwald ADMITTED to his partner carrying Snowden docs!!

All of the documents came from the trove of materials provided to the two journalists by Mr. Snowden. The British authorities seized all of his electronic media — including video games, DVDs and data storage devices — and did not return them, Mr. Greenwald said

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/19/world/europe/britain-detains-partner-of-reporter-tied-to-leaks.html?_r=1&

[JDPriestly]

7. I read the article you cited twice and no where did I read

that "the documents came from the trove of materials provided to the two journalists by Mr. Snowden."

Do you have a cite to support that claim?

[uponit7771]

9. correct link and quote ... middle of page

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/19/world/europe/britain-detains-partner-of-reporter-tied-to-leaks.html?_r=1&

[JDPriestly]

21. Let's read the crucial paragraph carefully.

Mr. Miranda was in Berlin to deliver documents related to Mr. Greenwald’s investigation into government surveillance to Ms. Poitras, Mr. Greenwald said. Ms. Poitras, in turn, gave Mr. Miranda different documents to pass to Mr. Greenwald. Those documents, which were stored on encrypted thumb drives, were confiscated by airport security, Mr. Greenwald said. All of the documents came from the trove of materials provided to the two journalists by Mr. Snowden. The British authorities seized all of his electronic media — including video games, DVDs and data storage devices — and did not return them, Mr. Greenwald said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/19/world/europe/britain-detains-partner-of-reporter-tied-to-leaks.html?_r=2&

Miranda went to Berlin. He delivered "documents related to Mr. Greenwald's investigation into government surveillance to Ms. Poitras." That's pretty clear but those are not necessarily the documents that Miranda had at the time he was stopped in London since he was delivering those documents to Poitras in Berlin.

"Ms. Poitras, in turn, gave Mr. Miranda different documents to pass to Mr. Greenwald. Those documents, which were stored on encrypted thumb drives, were confiscated by airport security, Mr. Greenwald said." So, Miranda returned with a different set of documents from Poitras for Greenwald. They were the documents that were encrypted and stored on documents, and it was those documents that were confiscated. We do not know what was on them, but the article says they were not the documents that Snowden gave to Greenwald since they originated with Poitras, not with Greenwald.

Then the author of the article, in an unattributed sentence asserts that "All of the documents came from the trove of materials provided to the two journalists by Mr. Snowden." The journalist does not explain who told him that or how he knows it, and he does not identify what trove of materials are being discussed. It could be video of Snowden to be transmitted to Snowden's family or attorneys. It could be the surveillance-related documents. Those documents could be Snowden's last will and testament. We do not know. We will have to wait and see.

Those who have advised waiting for facts should read this cautiously and not jump to conclusions. That they are the documents that Snowden collected at Booz and Allen is possible, but it is also possible that they are not those documents.

[Rex]

22. You are asking the sharks to leave the chum alone?

You know that is impossible. Look how crazy a few of them are getting with side stories and now back stories.

[uponit7771]

23. Good catch on the quote, I'll amend for now but not the bullshit substance of his partner meeting

...people who are representing someone who's under indictment for stealing gov shit and then GG lighting the HOF crew up about said person being arrested for doing so stays.

WTF did Miranda et all think were going to happen?!

For now until he dies he's going to be fucked with....PERIOD....I would expect nothing else...

Steal gov shit (even for an outright GOOD cause) get fucked with

I meet with a KNOWN drug dealer about drugs.... I should expect to be arrested.

This is STILL a bullshit onion from GG without the covering layer

[muriel_volestrangler]

24. So you're happy with authoritarian governments harassing people?

All you're going to say is "they knew they'd be fucked with, so it's all OK, nothing to see here"?

[Rex]

13. Yeah that part was put in by the paper, as you can see.

The ONE LINE that has no citation. You get it.

[uponit7771]

18. correct link posted BEFORE this reply, you could've looked yourself but... you get it?!

[Rex]

19. Sorry if pointing out the obvious angers you so much.

Nah not really.

[uponit7771]

20. Obvious = time of post your reply :-)

[Rex]

8. Juan Cole! Under the bus with you!!!

In 3...2...1...

[uponit7771]

10. No, just don't pay attention to people who don't pay attention...don't need to throw them

...under the bus just need to keep them honest with the amount of detail they're imputting into their brain

[Rex]

11. You just broke the irony meter.

Congratulations.

[uponit7771]

12. ...and the ad hominems flow

[Rex]

14. Not at all.

You did break it. Funny that you jumped to a common knee jerker.

[uponit7771]

15. You just broke my irony meter = ad hominem response that's uncalled for but I and A LOT Of other...

... posters are noticing this a lot of the whole "Gov = bad" crowd now

[Rex]

16. Of course you are.

That is practically all you talk about.

[uponit7771]

17. Your last statement is false on its face, but fuck facts...who needs em eh?!