Does anyone find it ironic that a man named Miranda

[boston bean]

was held for nine hours at an airport with no access to a lawyer, and could have faced criminal charges for not answering questions?

You can't dream this shit up.

I'm still almost speechless, that this is where we are at.

You cannot trust any govt with the powers they have given themselves secretly.

[Bragi]

1. Quite so

Not only can you not dream up shit more ironic than what you describe, there's also no way that your clear message (above) can be left standing, where it could undermine America's new, media-led, bought-and-paid-for, not-so-free speech movement.

[JustAnotherGen]

2. Not for this . . .

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23750289

Mr Miranda was held under schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000. This allows police to hold someone at an airport for up to nine hours for questioning about whether they have been involved with acts of terrorism.

Anyone detained must "give the examining officer any information in his possession which the officer requests". Any property seized must be returned after seven days.

The Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation, David Anderson QC, said it was very unusual for a passenger to be held for the full nine hours under this schedule and he wanted to "get to the bottom" of what had happened.

He said he had asked the Home Office and Scotland Yard for a full briefing.

I don't know what the British equivalent of Miranda V. Arizona is - but if I were a British citizen?

I would be really po'd that my government has dragged itself into this mess.

I think people expect this when they travel to China (my company gives us dummy devices/laptops when we go because they are notorious for grabbing everything they can off of stuff - especially if you are in technology) but not the UK.

[loli phabay]

3. you know this was the uk where there is no miranda rights or right to stay silent

When in rome and all that.

[boston bean]

4. Yeah, I get that, but that doesn't mean the value Americans hold regarding that right

disappears into thin air, does it?

[loli phabay]

10. pretty much does when you are oit of the us jurisdiction.

[Gravitycollapse]

11. Inarguably, the law is on your side. However, ethically, you're all alone.

[loli phabay]

12. why because i understand that the bill of rights is not recognised by foreign powers.

[Gravitycollapse]

15. More so because I don't give a shit whether a foreign power recognizes them.

Really, legality is simply a tangible framework around ethics. Or, at the very least, that is how legality should be construed.

So when you attempt to say that our laws are irrelevant simply because it is on foreign territory, you are missing the point of having laws in the first place.

That's kind of the issue I have with the argument "It's okay to spy on people as long as they aren't us {Americans}." Like all of a sudden the ethical justification against domestic surveillance suddenly vanishes into the ether if we're talking about someone who isn't an American.

[Blue_Tires]

5. The "other" irony is the the original Miranda was a piece of shit lowlife criminal

I'm not accusing the modern Miranda of anything, but if you name one side of the irony, you have to name the other...

[Cleita]

13. There was Carmen Miranda too of Brazil an entertainer and movie star of the forties. n/t

[Fawke Em]

6. First thing I thought of.

Speaking of Boston, have you seen the trailer to the movie, "Closed Circuit?"

Apparently, the British government captures a London terrorist bombing on closed-circuit cameras from local businesses. The "terrorists" defense team uncovers the "terrorist" is a double agent and blah, blah, blah.

That sounds so similar to the Boston bombings and the subsequent inquiries into the elder brother's connections with the FBI and CIA, it's spooky. Although, this is set in London. Still.

Here's the trailer:

http://www.focusfeatures.com/closed_circuit?utm_source=google&utm_medium=search&utm_campaign=ClosedCircuit

[hootinholler]

7. If the authorities detaining him were US then it would be incredibly ironic.

Unfortunately it is only the application of UK law, under which you do not have the right to silence.

[boston bean]

9. I'm an American, and so aren't you, no?

so for americans who think this is fine and dandy they got a bit of cognitive dissonance happening.

For this American, me, this is quite ironic.

[Little Star]

8. lol! No miranda warning for Miranda.......

Good pun.

It feels like "governments against Journalists for $500 Alex."

Hope the journalists win this war!

[Rstrstx]

14. Wonder if he's related to Carmen Miranda?

Wasn't she Brazilian too?

[rug]

16. This is the story of Ernesto Miranda.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/20130312ernesto-miranda-phoenix-arrest-50-years-prog.html

[ljm2002]

17. Yes, and it is equally ironic that a man named Snowden spilled his guts...

...it is all absolutely surreal and you are right, you can't dream this shit up. We are seeing the absolute proof that reality is stranger than fiction.