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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGreenwald---just release everything and be done with it....
Jesus Christ on a Trailer Hitch.... this is getting fucking ridiculous.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)LOL
This guy has quite an ego.
MineralMan
(146,190 posts)and is now threatening a nation:
SunSeeker
(51,367 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)MineralMan
(146,190 posts)Biblically inspired, too.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)LordGlenconner
(1,348 posts)We saw how that worked out.
Seriously though, what a wackadoo.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)...........................
I don't believe Greenwald's words warrant, "bringing a country to its knees"....but by now
we both know how the hyperbole concerning Greenwald invariably tilts. imho
cui bono
(19,926 posts)but we'll see if that poster can provide anything to back up what they said...
quinnox
(20,600 posts)this way, the issue remains front and center.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)careful review'!! Lol, they don't know which way to turn.
Greenwald has explained WHY he is releasing it all slowly. He is doing exactly what the detractors demanded. Do not release anything until it has been carefully reviewed.
So shouldn't they now be praising him for his care in making sure that what he has should be released or should not be, working with others to make that determination??
This is why they have no credibility. There is zero consistently in their attacks on the messengers.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)The NSA spying has remained in the spotlight ever since. "Don't fix what isn't broken".
randome
(34,845 posts)Everyone has an opinion. With 20,000 people or so, you will probably find 60,000 opinions.
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sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)they become an 'amorphous they'. When a number of people all at the same time change their minds on a matter of importance, then collectively change it back again, they are an 'amorphous they'.
reusrename
(1,716 posts)it's probably just a group of independent thinkers who share the same views and yet deny it.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)He's got a book coming out.
It wouldn't be beneficial for him financially to release all the information.
He's gotta save a lot for the book release.
ocpagu
(1,954 posts)Hope his book becomes a blockbuster. He deserves it. And he also deserves all financial gains he obtains from his job. He's a journalist, after all, it's his profession.
SaveOurDemocracy
(4,397 posts)......................................
Autumn
(44,748 posts)And IMO that's what he's doing.
trumad
(41,692 posts)Dude is losing high ground fast.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)I see his support growing.
Head over to the Guardian and read the comments sections.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Little Star
(17,055 posts)Autumn
(44,748 posts)It keeps the discussion going and the longer it goes on the better it is, as to losing the high ground I guess that depends on which OP you are looking at. Right now, there is a lot of chatter on both side of the issue but no one as of yet knows all the facts. I expect we will hear more as this story plays out today .
trumad
(41,692 posts)I understand it's implications and am on Snowden's side with this.
But--- Glenn lashing out like this is not smart in mho.
Autumn
(44,748 posts)Then I realized I would fucking be furious if that happened to my spouse. As for him having all those electronics, I have a lot of that same crap when I travel, just because I have to keep myself amused or I drive my husband crazy.
As for him carrying documents, Glen didn't say that. Everything else was attributed to Glen by the reporter, except that little blurb. I don't know if anything has changed on that but if it has that will be posted of that I'm sure.
trumad
(41,692 posts)The worse off it will be for Glen.
Autumn
(44,748 posts)Journalists anymore always seem to be a target.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,147 posts)Greenwald is the Guardian journalist who has played a leading role in analysing and publishing US whistleblower Edward Snowdens revelations about the NSAs electronic surveillance programmes.
The worlds most repressive states often identify journalism with terrorism and now the British authorities have crossed a red line by resorting to this practice, Reporters Without Borders said.
We are very disturbed by this unacceptable violation of the UKs obligations to respect freedom of information and the confidentiality of journalists sources. By acting in this arbitrary way, the British authorities have just emphasized how necessary and legitimate Snowdens and Greenwalds revelations were.
http://en.rsf.org/united-kingdom-snowden-journalist-glenn-greenwald-19-08-2013,45062.html
Amid mounting concern across the political spectrum over the treatment of David Miranda, David Anderson QC said the detention of Greenwald's partner on Sunday appeared to be "unusual".
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The intervention by Anderson came as the shadow home secretary, Yvette Cooper, called for an urgent investigation into the use of schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000 to detain Miranda. Cooper said ministers must find out whether anti-terror laws had been misused after detention caused "considerable consternation".
Cooper said public support for schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act could be undermined if there was a perception it was not being used for the right purposes. "Any suggestion that terror powers are being misused must be investigated and clarified urgently," she said. "The public support for these powers must not be endangered by a perception of misuse.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/david-miranda-detention-terrorism-law-watchdog
Shami Chakrabarti, Director of Liberty, said:
"David Miranda's chilling 9-hour detention was possible due to the breathtakingly broad Schedule 7 power, which requires no suspicion and is routinely abused. People are held for long periods, subject to strip searches, saliva swabbing and confiscation of property - all without access to a publicly funded lawyer. Liberty is already challenging this law in the Court of Human Rights but MPs disturbed by this latest scandal should repeal it without delay.
http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/media/press/2013/Detention-of-journalists-partner-highlights-the-scandal-of-Schedule-7.php
Juan Cole: Greenwald Partner falsely detained as Terrorist: How to Create a Dictatorship
Andrew Sullivan: Cameron Proves Greenwald Right
Kevin Drum: security authorities can't be trusted with the power we've given them
Amnesty International: Detention of Guardian journalist's partner at Heathrow unlawful and unwarranted
You think he's 'losing high ground'? It's hard to see how he could get much higher now.
trumad
(41,692 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,147 posts)Is your avatar a reference to a hoodie, likeTrayvon Martin? The US and UK governments are in the role of Zimmerman here.
trumad
(41,692 posts)That's fine and dandy...
But I'm telling you..public opinion will turn against him.
Watch and see.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)It's like they want the fuss to get bigger.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I like his views on the Middle East. I agree with him a lot. But now he's just showing out and needs to reassess.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)And I can't say that I blame him.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I think he enjoys it. Or he would have FedEx'd it and we would have never known what he was doing. I was the admin and payroll admin at my previous employer and I did some serious mailing. Never had a package lost or stolen or even opened by FedEx. Or even the USPS. It's cheaper too. And you don't get caught at the airport trying to pass thumb drives and such. He knew he was being looked at since he called so much attention to himself and by extension his spouse.
Isn't this the same country who wouldn't let snoop dog in?
He likes the attention. Yes he does.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)Welcome to my Ignore list.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Warm and cozy! I'll enjoy my stay.
Hekate
(90,189 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)benefits him.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)ergo he is "suspect"
He looks more and more like an attention shill every day.
And he doesn't care who he uses (his own partner now) to keep the spotlight on him.
He's going to brag and blowhard about how the information he's holding could bring everything down, and then NOT expect eyes to be on his partner making a trip to Poitras, but then go all "VICTIM!" when the man is detained?
Attention shill.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)he kinda loses credibility by doing that...
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Especially since there have been nonstop teases of "earth-shattering, tip of the iceberg" documents...
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Snowy should have done it himself instead of hiding out in a Russian pub LOL
randome
(34,845 posts)PowerPoint slides!
That's almost as funny as "I am not here to hide from justice."
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madrchsod
(58,162 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I'll just mark that in the "all facts established via PowerPoint" column.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)... the show
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)That way the regime can't cover it up with a few CYA statements and promises of "reform".
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)the longer he holds on to unreleased info, the more likely governments will find *some* way sooner or later to make a deal...
And as I said in another thread, if he has the bombshells, why am I forced to wait for verification/vindication of certain crimes I've long suspected?
If nothing else, he could at least release stuff more often than he's doing now...
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)NSA's information "drip" is much slower than Greenwald's.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)splendidly. By this point next month, StratCom should be at DefCon4 and Southern Brazil may seem unseasonably warm:
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)Can't even find a photo of war that Brazil was involved in going back to the "Acre War" with Bolivia which ended in 1903. This is best I could come up with on short notice:
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Isn't it amazing how there is no talk about actual revelations, just GG and of course occasional references about all the stuff he's gonna tell us, someday.
Says it all, dontcha think?
Julie
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I'd actually like to see that; or, if nothing else, a large info dump of the allegedly critical information.
I'm not pretending to know about this circus one way or the other, but these guys certainly do seem to be dragging this story out for little more than dragging the story out.
Hunter Thompson is the only journalist to date that can make a story about himself entertaining. Anyone else doing it begins to lose credibility as time goes on.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)but who would his place?
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)Some of it is probably legitimately should remain classified, and it takes time to go through all of it, get corroborating evidence, etc. Note that the Guardian and other papers redacted parts of the documents they released. They don't want to just dump it all out irresponsibly.
trumad
(41,692 posts)Now he's ready to release it because his partner got detained.
SunSeeker
(51,367 posts)He is already describing it as true-- and marketing it as mind-blowing information. As someone up the thread said, it's a shock tease. And he's doing it for his own personal benefit.
If the actions described by the info he has are so awful, why is he letting them go on by not revealing them?
All you have to do to get "all" the "shocking", "mind blowing", "world changing" facts is simply wait till the BOOK comes out, and you can pay for the "privilege" of getting it all at once. Of course if it's not as mind blowing as he says, to bad, no refunds on the book!
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)if you're gonna release some of it, release all of it...
Lonr
(103 posts)until we regain our freedom!!!! Get used to it, the ride gets a LOT bumpier from here on!
LordGlenconner
(1,348 posts)And specifically the Constitution?
Surely you must if you are not a Greenwald-Snowden devotee?
KansDem
(28,498 posts)Let's be done with it!
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...then people can run around claiming he dumped documents with no thought as to what was in them or what effects their release might have on sources and agents on the ground.
Yeah, that's a real good idea.
SunSeeker
(51,367 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)It would just bury the story. Too much info to work through by a lazy press. It would be unorganized, too much for the general public to sift through and digest in any logical manner.
Also, this way each time more info is released the story stays alive, which it needs to if we have any glimmer of hope of changing the way the NSA operates.
And as the NSA lies about what they do or do not do, out comes leaks proving they are lying to us. Way better this way.
David Krout
(423 posts)And prepare articles for it.