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babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 05:08 PM Aug 2013

This is How You Kill a Party

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2013/8/20/162834/606

This is How You Kill a Party

by BooMan
Tue Aug 20th, 2013 at 04:28:34 PM EST


Another canary in the coal mine. The co-chairman of the Polk County, Iowa GOP has resigned because he doesn't want to be associated with Rep. Steve King's racist remarks and he's tired of all the anti-climate change idiocy and stupid remarks about guns. He said that the party is being led by the NRA and the Christian Right, and it isn't interested in reforming itself. He figured that if he stuck around, he'd just be enabling the GOP to continue on without making needed changes. So, he reregistered as an independent.

Remember, yesterday, I was conjecturing about the possibility that the Republicans could lose control of the House if they started losing long-time members of their party. I'm sure that there are many people who are feeling the same way this man feels. They haven't become Democrats, but they'll consider voting for one now, and they wouldn't have considered doing that in recent elections.

Everyone has their breaking point, but they don't all announce it in the papers when their reached it.
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This is How You Kill a Party (Original Post) babylonsister Aug 2013 OP
They are imploding from within...stay tuned I bet there will be more SummerSnow Aug 2013 #1
All they'll have left are various cliques of fanatics Warpy Aug 2013 #4
I am thrilled to see the Republican Party imploding this way! CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #2
But the "shrapnel" is still corporatist. dotymed Aug 2013 #44
"led by the NRA and the Christian Right" Skittles Aug 2013 #3
Don't count them out yet. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #5
No matter how crazy their politicians are, Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #11
And I'll bet money that in 2014 they run on a platform of Reform Savannahmann Aug 2013 #15
Exactly! HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #26
look how many DUers have bought the propaganda about Hillary Skittles Aug 2013 #27
I didn't "buy" the "propaganda" against Hillary. But she is part of the DLC problem with the Dem loudsue Aug 2013 #45
uh....yeah......ok Skittles Aug 2013 #55
I've given up hope long ago... Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #6
+1 JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #21
gop, the home of the insane. the teaparty will eat them from within. spanone Aug 2013 #7
at some point I suspect the smell of money will lure them back rurallib Aug 2013 #8
This happened a few years ago in Plymouth or Woodbury county too (don't remember which) progressoid Aug 2013 #9
The key is that the republican "Moderates" become willing to vote for Democratic candidates, bluestate10 Aug 2013 #16
Many Dems have become what Repubs used to be. JEB Aug 2013 #10
You are dead wrong. The country has moved Left to the Center and appears to be satisfied bluestate10 Aug 2013 #17
"Free trade" agreements JEB Aug 2013 #18
Feels like a tidal wave of progress is coming. Even Cannabis legalization is happening. tridim Aug 2013 #30
Cannabis? Wilms Aug 2013 #33
That's a real stretch. Wilms Aug 2013 #32
The country has only moved "left to the center" if the center has moved to the right. ET Awful Aug 2013 #40
Socially to the Left. But economically to the Right. Ian_rd Aug 2013 #48
LOL ...put down the crack pipe will ya... L0oniX Aug 2013 #49
True in the 1980s and 1990s, but not since 2000 happyslug Aug 2013 #42
Nice post. riqster Aug 2013 #47
I rewrote what I had written, adding much of the labor comments. happyslug Aug 2013 #53
I see a lead line like that and immediately think: "how can I help?" calimary Aug 2013 #12
One Party System here we come!!! VADem1980 Aug 2013 #31
'scuse me Hekate Aug 2013 #36
Dude, step away from the ledge. mac56 Aug 2013 #46
Welcome to DU, VADem1980! calimary Aug 2013 #56
Thanks Calimary! VADem1980 Aug 2013 #59
Totally! I like to quote something Rachel Maddow once said on this topic. calimary Aug 2013 #61
They're gonna burn him at the stake for heresy. lpbk2713 Aug 2013 #13
Some of those extremists are more anti-Bank/Wall Street than we are.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #14
Don't bother me any. mstinamotorcity2 Aug 2013 #19
K&R Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #20
Interesting. Thanks. IrishAyes Aug 2013 #22
Maine Gopers Iliyah Aug 2013 #23
..... Peacetrain Aug 2013 #24
Like...the Whigs nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #25
That or...the sane decided to step back and let it burn to the ground with the nuts still inside. Xolodno Aug 2013 #28
The big battles are going to be fun to watch. Coming soon! tridim Aug 2013 #29
They don't look to me like they're dying Doctor_J Aug 2013 #34
I hope they have a wonderful schism, but I'm not holding my breath Hekate Aug 2013 #37
In order to take advantage of that, Dems need to articulate and ACT ON-- eridani Aug 2013 #35
KnR babylonsister. I'll bring butter for the popcorn. Hekate Aug 2013 #38
It seems that "independent" is becoming the new safe haven for those sick of the dichotomy between gtar100 Aug 2013 #39
The GOP isn't going anywhere. Ct Tiredofthesame Aug 2013 #41
Reactionary parties don't necessarily implode, but they do become increasingly insane. reformist2 Aug 2013 #43
See ...this is the strategy. Move the Dem party to the right so even the repukes will vote for a Dem L0oniX Aug 2013 #50
It doesn't matter how many republicans flee their party iemitsu Aug 2013 #51
We need to be uber vigilant right now jimlup Aug 2013 #52
The downside to killing that party is that they wind up invading our party under the cloak of....... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #54
On cue, another GOP dead story. As if only. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #57
Total wishful thinking. MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #58
Let me guess: Welcome, new IA Blue Dog. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #60

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
4. All they'll have left are various cliques of fanatics
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 05:26 PM
Aug 2013

by 2016, so that convention will be very interesting. If it's not their end game, it will be damned close to it.

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
44. But the "shrapnel" is still corporatist.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 09:14 AM
Aug 2013

IMO, the democratic party doesn't need more of those.

In honor of the great Bernie Sanders, the Independents don't need corporatists either.

Hell, America is full of them...

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
3. "led by the NRA and the Christian Right"
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 05:19 PM
Aug 2013

led by idiots - there's no place for intelligent folk in the GOP

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
11. No matter how crazy their politicians are,
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 06:07 PM
Aug 2013

no matter how many desert them, they are still the party of the Big Advertising Bucks and still the darlings of the giant corps that own the media.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
15. And I'll bet money that in 2014 they run on a platform of Reform
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 06:12 PM
Aug 2013

Reforming the NSA to give more protections to Civil Rights. They'll call it Civil Liberties, and they will claim to be the party of staunch civil rights defenders. Our party in the meantime, will be campaigning on the advantages of NSA spying.

The Rethugs get another swing at the majority, we lose seats in both houses, potentially even losing the Senate, and later we'll gnash our teeth and wonder how stupid people are. I wonder that now, but the people I am speaking of is the leadership of the Democratic Party. Because they have to see the polls, and they have to know this is an issue that isn't going away. It's already broken the 10% threshold, and every day it's out there a few more move into the opposition camp.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
26. Exactly!
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:33 PM
Aug 2013

Can't underestimate the capability of the Dem Party to shoot themselves in the foot while the GOP is imploding. The stupid can fall on both sides of the aisle.

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
27. look how many DUers have bought the propaganda about Hillary
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:45 PM
Aug 2013

it's not just rightwing nuts against her

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
45. I didn't "buy" the "propaganda" against Hillary. But she is part of the DLC problem with the Dem
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 10:57 AM
Aug 2013

party...the DLC= the republican wing of the Joe Lieberman-loving democratic party.

Hill and Bill gave us the DLC for the next 50 years, or until the streets are running in blood.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
6. I've given up hope long ago...
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 05:28 PM
Aug 2013

The cynic in me says for every longtime RW repub who gets fed up and leaves, the GOP will just dig up someone even crazier to take his place...

(sadly I've been proved correct on this more often than not)

spanone

(135,823 posts)
7. gop, the home of the insane. the teaparty will eat them from within.
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 05:30 PM
Aug 2013

they invited the devil in and he accepted

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
8. at some point I suspect the smell of money will lure them back
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 05:46 PM
Aug 2013

even though Republicans stink at handling money.

progressoid

(49,978 posts)
9. This happened a few years ago in Plymouth or Woodbury county too (don't remember which)
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 05:55 PM
Aug 2013

There was a dust up between the "moderates" and the crazies. Unfortunately, it didn't make much difference - they are still going strong.

It's going to take a lot more than a handful of dissatisfied people to kill that party.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
16. The key is that the republican "Moderates" become willing to vote for Democratic candidates,
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 06:17 PM
Aug 2013

something they wouldn't have done before they reached their limit with the craziness. You must remember that there are still some republicans who were Eisenhower republicans and raise children as Eisenhower republicans, those people are being forced out for being too moderate and being willing to make sane compromise.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
17. You are dead wrong. The country has moved Left to the Center and appears to be satisfied
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 06:20 PM
Aug 2013

staying there. You ignore all the progress that has happened on health care, and gay rights. We have lost some battles, but I am convinced that far Left was responsible for that by enabling election of constructionist or downright bad republican leaders.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
18. "Free trade" agreements
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 06:27 PM
Aug 2013

supported by many in both parties have seriously damaged the American working class. I am not satisfied to have my Democratic Party become the party that less damaging.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
30. Feels like a tidal wave of progress is coming. Even Cannabis legalization is happening.
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:53 PM
Aug 2013

Growing up during Reagan I never thought I'd see the day.

Republicans are just downers, in every way possible. Depressing. They are dead, and twitching.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
33. Cannabis?
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 10:44 PM
Aug 2013

You mean the way Obama said he'd chill on busting pharmacies and went ahead at a pace worse than Bush? You'd have to be stoned to have not noticed.

And how many states that have more or less decriminalized cannabis did so as part of a voter referendum rather than a Dem driven legislative one?

BTW, in your sig pic, Obama looks like he's got the munchies.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
32. That's a real stretch.
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 10:39 PM
Aug 2013

The DLC took over the Democratic party and has been moving it rightward. They throw support for particular Left issues, like Gay Marriage, and make a big deal out of the incremental improvement provided by the ACA (that does more for the insurance industry than the average American), and hang out with the same banksters that Republican Admins do while laughing at the rest of us.

ET Awful

(24,753 posts)
40. The country has only moved "left to the center" if the center has moved to the right.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 06:28 AM
Aug 2013

What you call center, any other western nation would call right/conservative.

There's a long way to go before the country is actually "center".

Ian_rd

(2,124 posts)
48. Socially to the Left. But economically to the Right.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:02 PM
Aug 2013

The increasing transfer of wealth from the working class to the 1% proves this.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
49. LOL ...put down the crack pipe will ya...
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:16 PM
Aug 2013

"I am convinced that far Left was responsible for that by enabling election of constructionist or downright bad republican leaders"



 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
42. True in the 1980s and 1990s, but not since 2000
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 08:48 AM
Aug 2013

Last edited Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:49 PM - Edit history (1)

That is the polls and studies I have run across keep saying, the country as a whole moved to the right starting in the 1960s, and accelerated in the 1980s (an internal Military study, indicated that the Military went even further to the right then the nation as a whole since the 1970s, that study hinted but did not say what a lot of people have said, the draft brought in a lot more people in the left into the Military who after serving their one term stayed. That pool of "recruits" disappeared with the draft and thus the Military went even further to the right. Please note the study was of the officer corp not the enlistee ranks).

Since 2000, the opposite has occurred, a move to the left. There is some indications it started in the 1990s with the defeat of Universal Health care in 1994. This move to the right from the 1960s through the 1990s was driven by several factors:

1. First is that income in real terms have dropped since the 1980s, but tuition in Collage has increased drastically, Thus a lot of young people are over they head in debt due to student loans with no real hope of paying them back.

2. Second is that the housing prices has increased so much, that these same young people can NOT afford to buy housing. The bubble that busted in 2008 was due to the fact that long before that date people who were buying housing were buying housing based in the house price going up, and paying for it when they sell it, NOT paying for it off their salary as they lived in the house. That was unsustainable, but the efforts since that date has been to keep the prices UP so the banks do not have to write most of the loans off (and show that they are bankrupt). That high price has prevented young people from buying housing and no one is really wanting to address that issue for it means either admitting we have to subsidize young people buying homes OR admit the banks have to go under with all their bad loans.

3. More and more families are made up of single parents. We have not only seen an increase in the number of men with children and not mother, but an even higher number of women with children and no father. While some people explain this as women becoming more "Equal" to men, the better explanation is that people are less able today to remain a couple, due to economics. A couple meets, have children, then one of them either lose their job (and both parents need to work to support the family) and has to move far away for another job, or is transferred to a job in another city, a city where the other parents has a hard time finding a job like that spouse had it their old city. Distance does NOT make the heart beat fonder for the lack of contact (including sex) finally reaches a limit that the couple just breaks up.

4. Women have always wanted more "protection" then men. What I mean by this is that they is someone to fall back on if things go bad. Thus women tend to support social programs at higher rates then men. When you have intact families, husband and wife living with children, the wife tends to view her husband the person she can fall back on. Thus a lot of married women vote the same way as there husbands. On the other hand, the same woman living alone, still want to be able to fall back on something, thus they look at Social Programs as that fall back and when women are living alone they support social programs at much higher levels then men and women living with a man (Church attendance also goes up with single women with children, again the women are looking for support, emotional, social and finance support to help them raise their children.

5. Several female commentators have said the break up of the family is more the result of men NOT maintaining their income, as oppose to women entering the work force. Most women, if given a real choice, prefer to be with their pre school age children then sending them off to day care while they work. If their husbands were earning enough to pay for the household bills, most women would forgo work to be with their children (their first choice would be to find work where they can take their children with them, like they great grandmothers did down on the farm, but most employers hire women as substitutes for men, not as mothers with children, thus a lot of at home work is popular with women world wide, for it is work they can do AND still be near their children). It is economics that drive women to continue to work while they have pre school age children, not a desire to be away from their children 8-10 hours a day. Many women would like options to be with their children, one option is that one parent (their husband) could make enough money to keep the family going on his own income. A second option would be being able to take their children with them to work (just like in olden days women took their children with them into the fields when the women had to work the fields). None of these options are even being discussed among employers today, for they see them as ways to increase their costs (Employers first choice of Employee is a man with a wife, for they look at the man being free to work independent of his children, for that is what the wife is suppose to do. I had one radical feminist complain that she wish she had a "Wife" to do all the little things the men she was working with had their wives do for them. These little things made it possible for the men stay on the job, things she had to do herself for she had no "Wife" to do them for her. By the way this was a non-sexual context, that women when it came to sex liked men).

Facing these economic situations, more and more people are rejecting what has been the economic call since the 1960s, that capitalism is good, communism is bad, but saying how much worse can communism be? With that realization the country has slowly turned around and started to move to the left, much like the country went to the right in the 1960s.

Yes we have the impression the country when to the left in the 1960s, but appearance was due to the left reaching its peak of strength in the post war era in the 1960s and the Right started to point out its extremes (and that the extremes were NOT doable). In many ways the anti-war demonstration was more anti-draft then anti-war, supported by people who wanted to be able to order others to fight, but did not want to fight themselves (the present day war-wimps). Once the draft was removed, these "Anti-Vietnam War" protesters proceeded to embrace the whole right wing program, for then it was not them or their family members being killed as enlistees, but someone who "Volunteer" for pay to do so (While the Officers were even more right wing, most officers are in combat less then enlistee ranks, due to the nature of the role in today's combat arms).

Nixon won in 1968 on a Conservative push for power (his "secret plan" to end the war in Vietnam was to continue what Johnson had started in the Summer of 1968, the first time the majority of the American people opposed the war in Vietnam. Johnson's plan was to slowly pull out of Vietnam). Nixon slowly started to dismantle Johnson's Great Society Programs. The dismantling was slowed down by Watergate and held in check under Ford and Carter, but starting under Carter the right started to push hard for its agenda, thus we ended up with Reagan, then Bush and then the GOP control of Congress in the 1990s and the GOP complete control of the Federal Government under Bush II.

Thus the real turnaround for the Conservative movement was the 1960s, progressive politics peaked and instead of doing what was possible, liberals started to go into areas where most Americans did not want to go. At the same time, economic right wingers decided it was time to attack the economic improvements that the progressives have done since the 1930s. There first attack (and had been under attack since the 1940s) was the Labor Unions. Many opponents of the Vietnam war (Senator McGovern for example) refused to help labor repeal the Taft-Hartley act. This caused a split among liberal, with much of labor refusing to deal with the Anti-war movement for the latter's refusal to address the concerns of labor. With labor out of the Democratic Coalition, Nixon won election. The attacks on Labor continued all through the 1980s (including the refusal to introduced tariffs on Steel and Cars produced overseas from countries with no labor unions, or weak company run labor unions, the later was the norm in Japan). This continued with the PATCO strike and the collapse of the Steel Industry under Reagan. Labor was left high and dry, and without Labor progressive politics in the US is dead in the water.

This pattern has continued, with many Liberals refusing to deal with Labor for Labor has refused to embrace their concerns. The net result has been Liberals to stay aloof when Labor is attacked. Now, labor is not innocent in this regard, PATCO, for example endorsed Reagan for election in 1980. Many of the Craft Unions resented having to permit in minorities under the Civil Rights Act. The reason for this is simple, Unions are political organizations that must listen to their membership. Most union members tend to have decent well paying jobs and thus do not want to rock the boat to much. Unions have to listen to their membership.

At the same time, other progressives have to understand that without the support of labor they are dead in the water. It is the failure to provide a united front centered on labor that has lead to most of the problems we face today. You solve the economic problems, the other problems follow. This is what labor has been telling people for years, but to many people want to solve other problems first (race, sex, sexual orientation for example). The problem is these divide up labor's base and weakens the left as a whole. AS on woman told me, she wanted equal pay for women, but she wanted her pay to go up to a man's pay NOT THAT PAY OF MEN BE REDUCED TO HERS (which is what has happened since Reagan). The reason for the drop in the pay of men? Reduction in Union Jobs due to weakening of Unions.

Right now, Labor is back where it was at the start of the Great Depression, its back against the wall and needing government assistance to survive. The problem is, unlike after FDR's election, the Federal Government is NOT doing things to improve labor's position or to improve the ability of labor to organize. We have to do that, even if it means liberals having to ally themselves to people who are union members but oppose what they want to done in addition to improvements in Labor.

Labor is willing to work with the rest of the left, but is the rest of the left willing to support labor? The Country is going to the left at the present time, but without labor it does not have a center and will break up again. This may be our last chance to improve labor for the next 50 years, lets do it.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
53. I rewrote what I had written, adding much of the labor comments.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:51 PM
Aug 2013

Just a comment that what you said was nice, may not longer be in your opinion. I tried to flush out what I had said, but like most complex subjects has to many factors coming into play to be to simple, but the complexity is a major factor in addressing the problem.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
12. I see a lead line like that and immediately think: "how can I help?"
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 06:08 PM
Aug 2013

I want that detestable party GONE. Consigned to the dustbin of history. Rendered so impotent and ineffective and sterile that it can no longer be self-sustaining, and basically ceases to exist. I want the Carthage treatment for those Neaderthal, racist, sexist, extremist, intolerant, willfully-ignorant bastards. Burn down their city and sow the ground with salt so that nothing will grow. I don't want them able to survive to fight another day. If they get their way, they'll frickin' DOOM THE PLANET with their climate denials and their anti-reason and logic and their "take it on faith alone" mentality that it really doesn't matter how much we fuck things up because "when the last tree is felled, Jesus will come back!" That's not an exaggeration from me. That's a quote from a guy named james watt - reagan's interior sercretary, testifying before Congress, straight-faced and open-eyed, about his planned reckless non-stewardship of our precious natural resources and open lands and national parks and the like.

Here AGAIN - something else vile and toxic to planetary survival that started BIGTIME during the reagan era. I used to shake with horror and fear and fury when I'd hear him speak - talking about how he wanted to open up our forests and wilderness areas and other protected lands - to "ALL the people!!!" It sounded soooooo good, and so harmless, and even noble and altruistic. But if you drilled down just a millimeter below the surface, you would quickly realize what he meant by "ALL the people:" those "poor pitiful put-upon unfortunates" who'd been locked out: developers, the logging industry, the oil industry, drillers and strip-miners, and a McDonalds and 7/11 at every tenth-of-a-mile marker. People who SHOULD be locked out of our forests and open plains and unsullied coastlines and mountains - because everything they touch turns to shit, pollution, litter, and barren, dry, desolate, poisoned eyesores.

 

VADem1980

(53 posts)
31. One Party System here we come!!!
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 10:04 PM
Aug 2013

I think it's inevitable, and when we finally get the majority, there will be HELL to pay! Rethugs think gerrymandering to hold on to their tenuous districts is cute? Well once WE get a crack at it, we'll lock every g*& D*&^ conservative puke out of government FOREVER.

The day that the Democratic Primary is tantamount to the election is the day I'll rest easy. Until then, we all need to be doing our damndest to politically DESTROY, SILENCE, and SHUT DOWN lying, racist, planet murdering, war mongering rethugs!

calimary

(81,220 posts)
56. Welcome to DU, VADem1980!
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 04:46 PM
Aug 2013

Glad you're here! Ordinarily I can sympathize with those who advocate against a one-party system.

HOWEVER... when you have only two really viable parties, and one of them seems to exist only to shit on everything, then dammit, that party's GOT TO GO. It's one thing to be "the loyal opposition" or offer a competing view. But it's another thing entirely when all they want to do is block everything, impede progress, deny and defy, not just fail to get anything done, but ACTIVELY AND RESOLUTELY REFUSE to get anything done, on some sort of cockamamie "principle" or some such. That party's simply got to GO. PERIOD.

And for those who believe strongly in having an opposing voice because leaving the Dems in total command is somehow bad, I'd say - we probably do need to set it up just exactly that way, FOR AWHILE. And that's because we have an astounding amount of old business to clear through, and issues to deal with, and problems to solve, and fuck-ups to fix. And as a proud liberal Democrat, seems to me, those things have to be accomplished - by people who hold the same general world view at least as Democrats, if not outright liberals ones.

Consider: republi-CONS tend to be anti-science, anti-civil rights, anti-separation of church and state, anti-safety net, anti-taxes (even when they're needed), anti-regulation (even when it's needed), just generally anti-government of any kind. Which is not us, and while it may be good for a tiny sliver of greedy money-hoarders and exploiters and other opportunistic infections, is NOT good for promoting the general welfare - which our founding documents actually specify. Conversely, it's just as bad. What republi-CONS are for - includes a theocracy, a narrow Puritanical-Protestant view governing all aspects of existence, meddling in people's personal lives, butting into our bedrooms and doctor's offices, dictating behavior, support and aid and comfort for those who already have too much of it at the expense of those who have little or nothing, unilateral aggression internationally, empire-building by force, letting the foxes guard the hen-houses, NO competition - just lots of monopolies, refusal to acknowledge changing times, needs, demographics, belief systems, and modernity in general, rigging the game, and "starving the beast."

Theirs is an ideology which is utterly unrealistic and untenable, and altogether hostile and even downright toxic to the 99% in this country, and in fact also to the safety, security, and survival of our whole fucking PLANET.

THAT is why the GOP should be locked out of power for at least a generation - or two. Until we have a chance to fix what they've broken, set upright what they've knocked down, solve the problems they've caused and/or neglected and made worse, and help our fellow citizens. OUR way is better. That's the simple truth. OUR way is better for the largest majorities of people everywhere. OUR way is lightyears better than theirs.

 

VADem1980

(53 posts)
59. Thanks Calimary!
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 08:41 PM
Aug 2013

When an opposing viewpoint is stupid or evil (nazi's, klansmen, republicans) then there is no need to give it time or credence!

calimary

(81,220 posts)
61. Totally! I like to quote something Rachel Maddow once said on this topic.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 04:30 PM
Aug 2013

She was arguing that it is NOT fair or reasonable or sensible just to mindlessly and automatically presume that "both sides" of EVERY dispute simply MUST be given air time, and equal attention - and likened it to a need to make room for the Flat Earth Society to weigh in, every time we do a report about NASA. Some viewpoints are NOT WORTH IT. Both sides do not always carry or merit equal weight or equal treatment, and certainly not equal validation. And certainly not deserving of being reinforced by giving it face time on TV! It's irritating for me as a retired journalist to see the ridiculous extremes that too many reporters and editors and interviewers pursue in the name of supposed "impartiality." Just bring both sides in, let 'em say their piece, and then, VOILA! You've "covered" the issue adequately. And that's all that's required. You say tomato and I say tomah-to and let's call the whole thing off. It's freakin' LAZY. Note that it also does NOT involve any checking or questioning or challenging of opinions that are just flat-out bullshit, as those which most of what the teabaggers and republi-CONS present these days. You let 'em spout and you've done your job - they've had their say and that's that.

And you have thus served your listenership/viewership/readership NOT AT ALL.

No wonder we have a good case of stupid running rampant through the US. I wonder about that poll that shows what a majority of Louisiana republi-CONS believe about where to lay the blame for the Hurricane Katrina response - and so many of them actually blamed Obama - who wasn't in office til 2009, almost four years after Katrina struck. I wonder if ANY of the pollsters taking that input bothered to stop anybody and do a reality check with them.

Yeah, didn't think so.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
14. Some of those extremists are more anti-Bank/Wall Street than we are....
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 06:11 PM
Aug 2013

THAT is how you kill a party in a country that believes it's duty is to promote Capitalism.

mstinamotorcity2

(1,451 posts)
19. Don't bother me any.
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 06:34 PM
Aug 2013

I was screaming to let them shrink into oblivion and a few other colorful things. When the President and Rmoney had the Debate in Denver, I was done being nice. It did something to me to see Rmoney stand there and lie like a rug. And when he was finished the Republicans ran out there with their little troll fan club and said see " he isn't that bad, you can vote for him. " I wanted to throw up in an airbag or on Rmoney's shoes . It was such an insult to the American Public who had watched this man all through the repug Primaries. So if they dwindle into nothingness I could care less. its independents who should be upset. They are flocking to their party because they just can't bring themselves to be members of the Democratic Party. And its okay with me.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
22. Interesting. Thanks.
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 06:59 PM
Aug 2013

However, the main point is that they kill it. At this point I bloody well don't care so much how, so long as they DO it - the faster the better.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
23. Maine Gopers
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:19 PM
Aug 2013

quit too citing LePage and others have gone wild and does not comply with the true Libertarian/Conservative way anymore, whatever the hell that means.

So apparently, Gopers have stages or level of crazy and therefore LePage, King, and others are just too crazy for them. Uh huh, right-o.

Xolodno

(6,390 posts)
28. That or...the sane decided to step back and let it burn to the ground with the nuts still inside.
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:47 PM
Aug 2013

The corporate donors are not going to waste their money on a losing candidate. When they starve the beast of cash and let the nuts get voted out. In the long term, they will step back in and begin rebuilding. They know social issues is a losing proposition...but they are biding their time when they can use:

1. NSA over-reach...and you know its going to come up again.
2. ACA not being applied uniformly in every state and demand a "Federal Exchange" *cough*public auction*cough*
3. The war on terror dragging on and sapping resources.
4. Lack of government transparency.
5. Not moving fast enough with renewable energy.
6. Anything else that will come up between now and 7 years.

And yes I think they will use this, why? Voter Amnesia. They are going to forget it was the GOP that was either against these issues or the initial facilitator. Plus they will rebrand themselves as no longer being the party of crazy...but of "sound business decisions that benefit everyone from the bottom up". Id wager if Boehnor, Cantor, etc. are still in Congress by then, they will be regulated to the side and being mere "old advisers".

The Tea Party plan backfired, but they did get the chance to re-district themselves in states to where they can still hold some power until they can find their mojo. The system is grandfathered and rigged for a two party system, even when one is on the wane, there is a cushion where they can land soft and rebuild.

Edit: Remember it wasn't too long ago when the Republicans were talking about a permanent majority and the Democratic Party dieing.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
29. The big battles are going to be fun to watch. Coming soon!
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:48 PM
Aug 2013

I really want them to split in two or three official parties.

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
37. I hope they have a wonderful schism, but I'm not holding my breath
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:08 AM
Aug 2013

As for forgetting 2010 -- yes, a lot of people seem to...

eridani

(51,907 posts)
35. In order to take advantage of that, Dems need to articulate and ACT ON--
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 11:39 PM
Aug 2013

--traditional Democratic values.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
39. It seems that "independent" is becoming the new safe haven for those sick of the dichotomy between
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:05 AM
Aug 2013

the Democrats and republicans. Sadly it doesn't give one much to go on when trying to discern a politician's ideology. But given the amount of animosity towards both parties many people have, I can understand why. Republicans more than Democrats have no other option if they want to get off the crazy train but stay in politics.

 

Tiredofthesame

(62 posts)
41. The GOP isn't going anywhere. Ct
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 08:38 AM
Aug 2013

Crazy base, sure. Tea party failing in the eyes of the masses, sure. But overall Death of the GOP? I don't think so. TOO MUCH MONEY INVOLVED. The schism in the Republican Party is no different than the schism here on DU between people who are sick of corporate democrats, and the people who can't see past Obama turning into a military minded republican the day he was inaugurated.

The republicans feed on the witless. And in case you haven't noticed, there are more witless than free thinkers at this point. IMO.

The truth is we are running out of time to get progressive minded people in power.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
43. Reactionary parties don't necessarily implode, but they do become increasingly insane.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 08:52 AM
Aug 2013

By definition, whatever the Dems stand for, the Repugs will now oppose. We should use this to our advantage.
 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
50. See ...this is the strategy. Move the Dem party to the right so even the repukes will vote for a Dem
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:20 PM
Aug 2013

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
51. It doesn't matter how many republicans flee their party
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:35 PM
Aug 2013

election results won't change a bit. We will still get razor thin margins, in elections, and we will still have no real choice about who is elected to represent us, in the government.
The election process is a charade and the electorate is misinformed and uninterested in the work required to participate in a democratic society.
In a single party state it doesn't change a thing when one member of the party moves his position on the party spectrum.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
52. We need to be uber vigilant right now
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:39 PM
Aug 2013

As a sound defeat in 2014 could start to spell the final death for real but it is unlikely given past voter off year election results.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,233 posts)
54. The downside to killing that party is that they wind up invading our party under the cloak of.......
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:34 PM
Aug 2013

"libertarianism". Yes, the GOP sucks, but I don't particularly want their rejects. It seems that when they leave the GOP, they move to the left of Ralph Nader, one extreme to the other.

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