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With regards to Manning, my hope is that on the last day of his term, Obama commutes to time served. (Original Post) stevenleser Aug 2013 OP
There are those two words again: Obama, hope... polichick Aug 2013 #1
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #11
Nice try, but I'll stand by my post. polichick Aug 2013 #17
The op is hope. Well placed hope. NCTraveler Aug 2013 #37
yes. I saw plenty of GLBT activists partying when it occurred, so I take that to mean Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #45
Telling someone to STFU LWolf Aug 2013 #41
all combat troops are out of Iraq. The troop draw down in Afghanistan has begun in earnest and will Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #46
One of the reasons LWolf Aug 2013 #49
They weren't rewarded for hoping. They weren't dogs, getting a treat for performing a trick. winter is coming Aug 2013 #52
And I hope he'll finally give me a pony... truebrit71 Aug 2013 #2
I don't know yet. I haven't started to approach anyone about it yet. stevenleser Aug 2013 #4
My pony or the commutation of Manning's sentence...?? truebrit71 Aug 2013 #19
Neither. I'll get working on both of those right away. LOL! nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #23
Thanks!!! truebrit71 Aug 2013 #24
I like this a lot Steven. NCTraveler Aug 2013 #38
O\I'm holding out for a pardon for Siegleman BEFORE he leaves office. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #3
Agreed. That has to happen too. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #8
LOL! HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #5
I'm hoping for today that happens... neither will happen. n/t 1awake Aug 2013 #6
sure and they will let all the pot people they have busted go too CBGLuthier Aug 2013 #7
That's something nice to hope for... joeybee12 Aug 2013 #9
More likely Hillary Clinton would commute sometime in her second term, if it ever happened. MADem Aug 2013 #10
He is eligible for parole in 12 years minus time served awaiting trial so 9-10 years is first chance stevenleser Aug 2013 #14
What is KEY for him is that he has to have the right "attitude." MADem Aug 2013 #21
Didn't Obama condemn him publicly G_j Aug 2013 #12
What's magical about his last day? Commute the fucker NOW. nt Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #13
So the "hope" comes on his last day in office, eh? villager Aug 2013 #15
Good catch! Rex Aug 2013 #40
If it is the right thing to do, he should do it immediately. Waiting until razorman Aug 2013 #16
I don't think its the right thing to do now. I don't think this is enough time. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #18
Yeah, the sentences for the killers is so much more that we snappyturtle Aug 2013 #33
+1 Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #20
Ha! That'll happen, sure. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #22
We know where the center-right stands on the issue. The Link Aug 2013 #25
Not until you tell us we don't. What is your center right opinion? nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #26
Will you be on Fox News to talk about your support of the sentence? When can I tune in? The Link Aug 2013 #27
You made my prediction come true. I PM'd someone that I thought you would come back with that! stevenleser Aug 2013 #28
I PM'd someone to say that you would support the sentencing of Manning. The Link Aug 2013 #31
And you were wrong. What a surprise! Who was President the last time you were right about something? stevenleser Aug 2013 #47
let's all imagine that is what he is going to do Enrique Aug 2013 #29
Never going to happen. He will pardon... Hotler Aug 2013 #30
The DOJ is doing the "hard work" on that as we speak. nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #36
hope in one hand, $#!7 in the other...... PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #32
The same Obama that's gone after Snowdon? Yeah, right. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #34
please, hold your breath ArcticFox Aug 2013 #35
Now now RobertEarl Aug 2013 #43
Spot on. The Link Aug 2013 #53
I don't make my income from politics, but then you knew that as you have been told multiple times. stevenleser Aug 2013 #62
Awww ArcticFox haz a sad. stevenleser Aug 2013 #48
It will please me greatly ArcticFox Aug 2013 #69
Won't happen. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2013 #39
K&R one_voice Aug 2013 #42
This was sarcasm I assume? panzerfaust Aug 2013 #44
Lol. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #50
I would not start planning on having a coming home party yet. Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #51
I always have hope that Obama will correct his course. dkf Aug 2013 #54
Same here and waiting til his last day in office is kinda cruel imo. Rex Aug 2013 #55
:) nt Zorra Aug 2013 #56
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #57
You don't get to have it both ways. The man has been harshly sentenced, just as our Marr Aug 2013 #58
I keep expecting a resignation from many "Dems" during the month of August. truedelphi Aug 2013 #59
I get to have any opinions I want to have, just as you do. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #61
Of course you *can*. But some opinions might make you look like a Marr Aug 2013 #64
You're being obnoxious because you can't handle that somoene disagrees with you. It's really simple stevenleser Aug 2013 #65
Its just self-promotion to score another right wing media gig. The Link Aug 2013 #66
I realize it makes you feel important to attack someone who is out there in media stevenleser Aug 2013 #67
... The Link Aug 2013 #68
I was hoping the same that Manning gets released on Obama's last day gopiscrap Aug 2013 #60
I don't trust Obama's judgment as far as pardons are concerned. Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #63

Response to polichick (Reply #1)

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
37. The op is hope. Well placed hope.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:41 PM
Aug 2013

"People who hoped for DADT abolishment were rewarded for their hope"

People have been working their asses off for that for a long time. You are saying they were rewarded for their hope? One step closer to being treated as equals in the eyes of the government is a "reward"?

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
45. yes. I saw plenty of GLBT activists partying when it occurred, so I take that to mean
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:28 PM
Aug 2013

it was seen as a victory and a reward for their hope that things can change for the better.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
41. Telling someone to STFU
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:46 PM
Aug 2013

is not the way to engage in constructive debate, is it?

DADT...good.

Health Care? My hope was not for more profit-driven private insurance that doesn't make the actual CARE affordable, but for truly affordable CARE for all. Didn't get it. Still can't afford care.

Troops out? Does that mean we are no longer in Afghanistan? Damn. And they told me that our flag flying at half-mast last week at work was for another of our soldiers killed in Afghanistan. They must have lied.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
46. all combat troops are out of Iraq. The troop draw down in Afghanistan has begun in earnest and will
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:30 PM
Aug 2013

be completed in 2014. So....yeah. You can register your impatience, but these things are occurring--something that is doubtful under a McCain or Romney administration.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
49. One of the reasons
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 06:53 PM
Aug 2013

I wanted GWB gone, and a Democrat in office, was to bring troops home in 2009.

You know, before any more died, and before we invested any more funds that were desperately needed at home.

Impatient? You bet.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
52. They weren't rewarded for hoping. They weren't dogs, getting a treat for performing a trick.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:11 PM
Aug 2013

Through tireless campaigning, they won something they never should have had to fight for in the first place.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
4. I don't know yet. I haven't started to approach anyone about it yet.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:05 PM
Aug 2013

That is what I will call for on my show starting this week and on a semi-regular basis.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
38. I like this a lot Steven.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:42 PM
Aug 2013

You have a platform and are using it for a good cause. Many of us appreciate your work and the voice you give us.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
7. sure and they will let all the pot people they have busted go too
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:06 PM
Aug 2013

Dream On. Nothing ever changes in america except the faces and the names. The elite got theirs and the rest can go fuck themselves.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
10. More likely Hillary Clinton would commute sometime in her second term, if it ever happened.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:08 PM
Aug 2013

Depending on how well he does in prison (hopefully he will be put in a military prison--they are safer), he could be given probation in ten or fifteen years.

That's probably his best hope, IMO.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
14. He is eligible for parole in 12 years minus time served awaiting trial so 9-10 years is first chance
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:10 PM
Aug 2013

so I think your estimates are right on.

I initially said I hoped for commute in what I hope will be Hillary's second term. I think the end of Obama's term is enough. That will be about 5-6 years. That plus the federal conviction is plenty to send the message that people need to use the proper procedures to whistleblow.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
21. What is KEY for him is that he has to have the right "attitude."
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:19 PM
Aug 2013

If I were him, I'd go see the shrink and get some "calming" drugs--he's got to keep his emotions tamped down while he adjusts--a little anti-anxiety medication can go a long way, at least at the outset. He should also throw himself into that college education he wanted to get--he could have his master's by the time he gets out.

Also, if he's a model prisoner in a consolidated military facility, he could very likely be assigned, after five or more years, to a "barracks" environment--it's more like being "on restriction" in the military than prison. These people are given trustee status--they are given regular jobs that they go to, like ordinary people, and they have to check in at specified times, but they have more freedom within the confines of the facility than the prisoners who are "locked up."

I think if he keeps his head down and his shit together, he can get out early. It's unfortunate, but I truly think that Snowden's activities added a good ten years to his sentence. If he'd been sentenced in March or April, he'd probably be running down a 25 year stretch.

razorman

(1,644 posts)
16. If it is the right thing to do, he should do it immediately. Waiting until
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:11 PM
Aug 2013

the end of his term would be strictly a political move.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
28. You made my prediction come true. I PM'd someone that I thought you would come back with that!
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:33 PM
Aug 2013

It's so easy to predict the kind of folks that use cheap shots. Thanks for not proving me wrong!

 

The Link

(757 posts)
31. I PM'd someone to say that you would support the sentencing of Manning.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:36 PM
Aug 2013

As a secondary prediction, you will be shilling it to promote your radio show.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
47. And you were wrong. What a surprise! Who was President the last time you were right about something?
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 03:43 PM
Aug 2013

Hoover?

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
43. Now now
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:55 PM
Aug 2013

Steve has to consider his income and his reputation. To hell with what's right and proper, income and status comes first. That's how you get ahead in the media world, kiss all the right ass.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
62. I don't make my income from politics, but then you knew that as you have been told multiple times.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:49 AM
Aug 2013

Welcome to my ignore list.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
48. Awww ArcticFox haz a sad.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 03:48 PM
Aug 2013

Every expression of displeasure you throw in my direction pleases me greatly. Muah!

ArcticFox

(1,249 posts)
69. It will please me greatly
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 12:24 AM
Aug 2013

When people stop cheerleading for this president despite his despicable moves.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
39. Won't happen.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:43 PM
Aug 2013

Manning had to be convicted. As an example to others, at the least. The release of classified information by a serving member of the armed forces constitutes a severe breach of good order and discipline. Regardless of what one thinks about the consequences of Manning's actions, there really isn't any question that he did something that's punishable under military law by life imprisonment or execution (depending on how zealous the prosecutor is).

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
50. Lol.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:01 PM
Aug 2013

We were told Obama was going to go full liberal in his second term. Now we have to wait til his last day in office for him to take a stand.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
54. I always have hope that Obama will correct his course.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:35 PM
Aug 2013

That's always what I want with any criticism I level at him.

I would hate for this to be a part of his legacy. Sad.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
55. Same here and waiting til his last day in office is kinda cruel imo.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:40 PM
Aug 2013

Why not just do it now if there is a chance of it happening? Nah, they wanted to make an example out of this kid and they did.

Response to stevenleser (Original post)

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
58. You don't get to have it both ways. The man has been harshly sentenced, just as our
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:55 PM
Aug 2013

resident right-wing Democrats had hoped for. Have the integrity to at least stand by your previous rantings rather than making some soft appeal to Deus Ex Obama for a sane, measured response.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
59. I keep expecting a resignation from many "Dems" during the month of August.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 08:00 PM
Aug 2013

Wearing a sheep suit above the wolf interior is a difficult thing to do in Washington during August when it is so hot there. I mean, that sheep suit sure makes it a lot hotter!

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
64. Of course you *can*. But some opinions might make you look like a
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:16 AM
Aug 2013

self-serving windbag.

Did you think this was a game? Surely you understood from the beginning that the harsh punishment you were cheering for would likely be something even more draconian than the sentence that was handed down. To turn around now and say, 'I sure hope that's all undone by magic' makes it seem like you just wanted to win an argument, and didn't really give two shits about the real world implications of that argument.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
65. You're being obnoxious because you can't handle that somoene disagrees with you. It's really simple
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:55 PM
Aug 2013

I think he did something terribly wrong, I think the act he has been found guilty of deserves a long prison sentence absent mitigating factors.

I think the abuse he has experienced his whole life is a mitigating factor. I think the multiple behavioral issues he has exhibited since joining the army (nothing to do with the transgender factor), the problems with authority, fighting, almost getting kicked out multiple times, means that the army is also partly to blame, as no one with those issues should have been given a security clearance at all. He should in fact have been kicked out of the army in basic training.

Add that all together and you have someone who in my opinion deserves some punishment but not over 6-8 years.

There are people who commit crimes where there are mitigating factors all the time. There is nothing remotely unusual about that.

 

The Link

(757 posts)
66. Its just self-promotion to score another right wing media gig.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:57 PM
Aug 2013

Gotta be a safe centrist for the right wing.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
67. I realize it makes you feel important to attack someone who is out there in media
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:10 PM
Aug 2013

but its also evidence of how pathetic you are.

Welcome to my ignore list.

gopiscrap

(23,756 posts)
60. I was hoping the same that Manning gets released on Obama's last day
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 08:25 PM
Aug 2013

because it sure as hell won't happen before the 2016 election.

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
63. I don't trust Obama's judgment as far as pardons are concerned.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:57 AM
Aug 2013

Bad track record.

I'd be positively surprised by such a step, and I think it would reflect well on him. My impression is that he agrees with the verdict.

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