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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTexas ranks #1 in small business climate. nt
[link:http://smallbiztrends.com/2013/04/best-small-business-tax-environment.html|
Way to go !!!!!!
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Texas and Florida (can you say Governor Bush) at the top of the list.
I'm not very confident in the source or the criteria, I'm not confident that actual small businesses would agree.
Source: http://chiefexecutive.net/best-worst-states-for-business-2013
clarice
(5,504 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)I think they DO agree.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I've been trying to see what other articles are using these numbers and almost every one has an anti-union pitch to make.
I don't doubt that larger businesses find it easier to function in Texas, et al, but I'm not sure that truly small businesses, the kind put out of business by "business friendly" climates that server Walmart and others would agree.
It's certainly worth discussing, though!
clarice
(5,504 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)much will the state allow you to abuse and steal from employees?"
There's a lot of room for improvement on the other end of that list as well, but we've just totally lost sight of what it's all about.
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)They don't have to worry about inspections or anything!
clarice
(5,504 posts)LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)they also occasionally take out the stray community, but what the fuck. You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ... right?)
clarice
(5,504 posts)HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)OK.
clarice
(5,504 posts)HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Just farking amazing.
wild bird
(421 posts)Reminds me of a song done by The Pat Travers Band.
Bandit
(21,475 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Low wages? Lax requirements for employee health care? No inspections of poisonous or explosive stuff, like in West?
Yup, Texas has it all.
denverbill
(11,489 posts)"We believe that capitalism may be the most important factor in spreading human health and prosperity around the globe. By producing what people want and need in innovative ways, capitalists satisfy our everyday demands, create jobs, raise standards of living, extend lifespans and more.
CEOs are the cornerstones of the free enterprise system, and we help them do their jobs better to the benefit of their customers, employees, shareholders and themselves."
My bet is that if the list was created for workers, it would be almost exactly the opposite. Texas has more low-wage/no benefit jobs than any state in the country, thanks to lax regulation and illegal immigration.
clarice
(5,504 posts)I didn't happen to notice the original source. Shoot me. nt
kimbutgar
(21,130 posts)Your "Texas is great " bias is astounding. Why would someone move their business to a state of people with no healthcare, poor education, polluted skies and water. Do you live in one of those towns that is running to out of water because it's used up in fracking? Or the polluted waters in the gulf with skin eating bacteria. Texas has become a cesspool of religious freaks, greedy tea baggers and brainwashed people like yourself.
No, I will continue living in the best state of California. If you give an employee a choice whether to work in Texas or California, California wins in a landslide.
I've been to Texas 3 times and I couldn't wait to go back to my beautiful California.
clarice
(5,504 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Blah blah blah. That website reads like a right-wing porn fantasy.
clarice
(5,504 posts)maddezmom
(135,060 posts)Here is the link to the ratings
http://chiefexecutive.net/how-ceos-grade-the-states-2013
clarice
(5,504 posts)11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)of the innocent neighbors living near one of those virtually unregulated Texas businesses of which you are so enamored. You know, the one that blew the fuck up, leveling an entire neighborhood.
Now, feel free to shrug away.
clarice
(5,504 posts)What did YOU do ? Please look before you leap.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)It messes up the progressive paradigm when a 'red-state' is successful.
maddezmom
(135,060 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)maddezmom
(135,060 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Redneck_Dem
(35 posts)maddezmom
(135,060 posts)I am just adding a bit more info about the the state of Texas.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)That's all it is about.
denverbill
(11,489 posts)What's meaningful is median per capita income.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income#States_ranked_by_median_household_income
1 Maryland $70,004 $69,272 $70,545 $68,080 $62,372
2 Alaska $67,825 $68,342 $70,378 $67,035 $64,169
3 New Jersey $67,458 $67,034 $68,595 $65,967 $59,972
4 Connecticut $65,753 $66,953 $68,460 $64,333 $57,639
District of Columbia $63,124 $64,098 $67,214 $63,746 $60,681
5 Massachusetts $62,859 $64,081 $65,401 $62,365 $56,236
6 New Hampshire $62,647 $60,567 $63,731 $62,369 $60,489
7 Virginia $61,882 $59,330 $61,233 $59,562 $55,108
8 Hawaii $61,821 $59,290 $57,936 $54,317 $47,221 (2005)[8] PDF
9 Delaware $58,814 $58,931 $61,021 $59,948 $53,770
10 California $57,287 $56,860 $57,989 $54,610 $52,214
11 Minnesota $56,954 $56,548 $58,078 $55,591 $53,439
12 Washington $56,835 $55,616 $57,288 $55,082 $57,363
13 Wyoming $56,322 $55,430 $56,993 $55,212 $54,039
14 Utah $55,869 $55,117 $56,633 $55,109 $55,179
15 Colorado $55,387 $54,659 $56,033 $53,514 $48,201
16 New York $55,246 $54,119 $55,701 $53,568 $52,003
17 Rhode Island $53,636 $53,966 $56,235 $54,124 $49,280
18 Illinois $53,234 $53,341 $56,361 $55,062 $50,819
19 Vermont $52,776 $52,664 $53,207 $51,731 $47,227
20 North Dakota $51,704 $51,618 $52,104 $49,907 $51,622
United States $50,502 $50,221 $52,029 $50,740 $46,242 (2005) [9] PDF
21 Wisconsin $50,395 $49,993 $52,094 $50,578 $48,874
22 Nebraska $50,296 $49,520 $50,713 $48,576 $47,791
23 Pennsylvania $50,228 $48,745 $50,958 $49,889 $46,729
24 Iowa $49,427 $48,457 $50,169 $48,730 $45,485
25 Texas $49,392 $48,259 $50,043 $47,548 $43,425
26 Kansas $48,964 $48,044 $48,980 $47,292 $47,489
27 Nevada $48,927 $47,827 $45,685 $43,753 $43,753
28 South Dakota $48,321 $47,817 $50,177 $47,451 $44,264
29 Oregon $46,816 $47,590 $50,861 $49,136 $46,841
30 Arizona $46,709 $47,357 $49,693 $47,085 $48,126
31 Indiana $46,438 $45,734 $46,581 $45,888 $45,040
32 Maine $46,033 $45,424 $47,966 $47,448 $44,806
33 Georgia $46,007 $45,395 $47,988 $46,597 $45,837
34 Michigan $45,981 $45,255 $48,591 $47,950 $47,064
35 Ohio $45,749 $45,229 $46,867 $45,114 $44,651
36 Missouri $45,247 $45,043 $46,032 $43,424 $44,624
37 Florida $44,299 $44,926 $47,576 $46,253 $46,395
38 Montana $44,222 $44,736 $47,778 $47,804 $44,448
39 North Carolina $43,916 $43,674 $46,549 $44,670 $42,061
40 Idaho $43,341 $43,028 $43,508 $41,452 $40,827
41 Oklahoma $43,225 $42,492 $43,733 $40,926 $37,943
42 South Carolina $42,367 $42,442 $44,625 $43,329 $40,822
43 New Mexico $41,963 $42,322 $43,654 $43,531 $38,629
44 Louisiana $41,734 $41,725 $43,614 $42,367 $40,676
45 Tennessee $41,693 $41,664 $42,822 $41,567 $40,001
46 Alabama $41,415 $40,489 $42,666 $40,554 $38,473
47 Kentucky $41,141 $40,072 $41,538 $40,267 $38,466
48 Arkansas $38,758 $37,823 $38,815 $38,134 $37,420
49 West Virginia $38,482 $37,435 $37,989 $37,060 $37,227
50 Mississippi $36,919 $36,646 $37,790 $36,338 $35,261
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Got a problem with that?
Notafraidtoo
(402 posts)When the workers in your state are so poor they cant pay more or equal amounts of federal taxes as the state receives you are a failed state, Every red state is a tax moocher because workers in those states don't make enough money to be above the poverty line and the ones that are above poverty don't make much above it so they get massive amounts of blue state workers tax money.
You certainly have a messed up view of success when you consider low wages,low education and graduation rates,high mortality due to lack of health care, highest rates of cancer because of pollution,highest obesity rates because healthy food is expensive and to expensive for low paid employees,highest rates of heart disease and it goes on and on and on.
I think people cheering for Texas live in the couple of states in the south that are doing even worse and just don't realize what its like to live in a civilized state like Massachusetts.
Redneck_Dem
(35 posts)Or is it about the success of the "small business climate" in Texas?
Personally, I am not so petty to use politics to dismiss success or failure.
maddezmom
(135,060 posts)So they should be part of the discussion.
Redneck_Dem
(35 posts)The 'discussion' (OP) is about the success of TXs small business climate, but since, as you say, that success is directly related to the politics of TX, people change the subject to dismiss the success in order to satisfy a hate based on politics.
maddezmom
(135,060 posts)It is based in how it relates to the people living here.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Drop a one-line Republican talking point followed by an n/t, then sit back and watch the fireworks.
Myself, I'm in California. We have a terrible business climate. Taxes are high. Regulations are rough. It's hard to get any business done here. Oh, and we have the 7th largest economy in the world. We'll get by...somehow.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Hong Kong Cavalier
(4,572 posts)+1
I live in Minnesota, and we're doing just terrible, too. Not as terrible...I mean "terrible" as California, but what can ya do? We have more moose (meese?) and they tend to muck up small businesses.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Hong Kong Cavalier
(4,572 posts)I was replying to the poster above who said that their economy in California was so terrible, they're the 7th largest economy in the world.
While we're not doing as well as they are (I was sarcastic when I used the word "terrible". That's why it's in quotes.) we are doing quite well in Minnesota, with a plummeting unemployment rate. Funny thing is, it all started when the DFL (That's the Democrat Farmer-Labor party, the state Democratic party) got the governorship (Mark Dayton) AND reclaimed the entire legislature.
Oh, and we have marriage equality in Minnesota as well. Unlike Texas.
The only thing that repressed the economy in the last eight years was GOP Governor Tim Pawlenty and his bullshit "No new taxes" pledge. Once again, a republican's policies nearly destroyed a state and left the Democrats the mess to clean up.
You remember him, don't you? He was a 2008 candidate for about a month. He and Rick Perry agreed on more than a few economy policies, I bet.
TL : DR = I was being sarcastic in my prior post.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Hong Kong Cavalier
(4,572 posts)Not one bit. And I'm nowhere near angry. I merely thought to engage you in a bit of fact-based discussion about my post and an explanation.
You clearly don't really want to discuss anything; just throw out one-liners at people and watch the reaction. And when people find out the right-wing sources for your "stats" and call you out on it, you simply get defensive.
Welcome to the DU. Hope you survive the experience. (Bonus points if you can figure out where I paraphrased that quote from)
clarice
(5,504 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)likely in most others areas, also. And before you ask, yes I have been to Texas. Lived there 20 yrs and only left recently as in months.
clarice
(5,504 posts)me so hateful? I simply asked why the Minn economy was so bad ( as he mentioned in his post) I had no idea he was being sarcastic.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Does that help?
clarice
(5,504 posts)[link:http://www.glassdoor.com/blog/glassdoors-employment-satisfaction-report-card-city/|
Sorry DenverBill
clarice
(5,504 posts)maddezmom
(135,060 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)maddezmom
(135,060 posts)Leads me to believe this is a flawed poll.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Classic!
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Better view to see explosions resulting from unregulated businesses.
That's why I live here...
clarice
(5,504 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Vapid premise often results in vapid responses, regardless of whether the Lord is good or not.
clarice
(5,504 posts)HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)I find the politics that rule your state to be disgusting.
clarice
(5,504 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)stayed there long enough to have their daughter...hated it (Texas) and then skedaddled back to Seattle with their little Texan.. They lived in Magnolia, and their year there was a valuable learning experience for them.. They learned how much they love Seattle
clarice
(5,504 posts)SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Con-grats on the baby girl, Grand Kids are so wonderful.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Because Republican rule has allowed businesses to pollute as much as they want, bust unions, and avoid and/or cap liability. It is indeed a great environment for business. Just not so great for human beings.
maddezmom
(135,060 posts)Clarice won't address any of thos issues just keeps on cheering.
clarice
(5,504 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)protecting corporations against liability are good things because they lead to jobs?
clarice
(5,504 posts)label me in that manner. How DARE you ?!
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Why do you think Texas is ranked by CEOs and chambers of commerce as the #1 environment for small businesses?
Is it the labor friendly stance? The fair regulations? The excellent environmental requirements? The pro-human tort laws?
clarice
(5,504 posts)open hearted.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)OTIO
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)With a question mark and an exclamation point?
Rectangle
(667 posts)due to corporate Natural Gas Fracking, climate change induced drought. and, no water
regulations!
Read at link
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/204025/texas-is-fracking-itself-out-of-water-30-towns-will-be-dry-in-the-next-year/
None of those nasty regulations!!
Nope!
clarice
(5,504 posts)Rectangle
(667 posts)or poisoned.
Don't come running to the Gov't.
Yay Texas!
clarice
(5,504 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)"Anti-business forces" = Democrats?
Ohio:
Ohios lack of right to work regulations and high utility costs make it increasingly more unattractive for capital investment.
Ohio has made a dramatic turnaround under Republican leadership.
Delaware:Advancing regulatory reform but suffering perceptual hit from Democratic control.
18 of the top 20 are right-to-work states.
clarice
(5,504 posts)maddezmom
(135,060 posts)Education? Women's rights?
clarice
(5,504 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)maddezmom
(135,060 posts)By population TX is ranked #2.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,125 posts)I'm glad that Texas does rank #1 in a category that normally wouldn't be considered negative, but there are many reasons why it is true. Texas is the only state that does not mandate that employers carry workers compensation insurance, the civil justice system is rigged in favor of business interests regarding tort laws, and there is no income tax which means that the tax burden is replaced by more regressive tax policies. Those are items that we should be ashamed about rather than boasting with pride.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Taxes are not evil.
clarice
(5,504 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,125 posts)Well of course it would be lovely if everyone could get something for nothing, but that isn't reality.
However, I could tolerate paying income tax if it was offset with a reduction in the sales tax and more goods were exempted. The state currently collects 6.25% sales tax compared to 4% about three decades ago. That tax hits the lowest income people more than the wealthy.
I could also tolerate paying income tax if it provided more for resources such as public and higher education, increases to programs such as WIC, CHIP and other social services such as re-opening mental health hospitals. There are other areas that lack funding such as our parks and transportation infrastructure.
In addition, state income taxes can be deducted from the federal income tax returns while certain other taxes do not receive that benefit.
In the words of Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., "Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society."
clarice
(5,504 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)grow up free from diseases, breathable air, not to have to step over or drive around the dispossessed, and so on.
Oh, and then there's this:
If only the rest of the nation was as "smart" as Texas and took 37% more than it contributed...
"I've got mine, fuck y'all" should be the state motto, as you've clearly demonstrated in this thread.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)They apparently rate on how low taxes and regulations are in any given state. The classic race to the bottom. Bernie Sanders says this will eventuially lead to disaster and the feds should withdraw highway funds from states that participate in this race to the bottom.
"..............CEO's quoted by the magazine say things like 'Texas is probably the most business friendly state I've ever been in and supports the efforts of new and existing businesses' and 'Texas is wonderful biz environment. Friendly, well-educated, motivated workers. Great tax base and very good educational system.'
Florida is #2 in the survey, North Carolina ranks number three.
On the other end of the scale are the two states Texans love to hate. New York ranks 49th, while California ranks 50th.
While California's 'living environment' ranks high, the Golden State is not so golden when it comes to taxes and regulations, ranking the worst in the country.
California also as a far larger debt per resident than Texas, far more state employees per capita, and substantially higher taxes. Many CEO's cited the new 11% state income tax rate approved by California voters last year, saying it escalates California's 'self imposed decline.'
One CEO's comments said it all: "California is accelerating down the wrong track. At some point even the climate will be outweighed by the massive disincentives to business and the tax policies on the modestly successful. It is well on its way to becoming an environment where the super elites (Hollywood, Silicon Valley, and the political class) are separated from the 'service class,' by a personal income chasm as the unions continue to plunder the state's treasury."
That CEO says he is considering moving his business...with hundreds of employees...to Texas.
...................
http://www.woai.com/articles/woai-local-news-119078/texas-ranks-1-in-business-climate-11266423/
Read more: http://www.woai.com/articles/woai-local-news-119078/texas-ranks-1-in-business-climate-11266423/#ixzz2cdSF5j1F
clarice
(5,504 posts)Response to clarice (Reply #91)
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ErikJ
(6,335 posts)States that participate in the race to the bottom should get no highway funds?
clarice
(5,504 posts)Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)Close to the bottom in environmental stewardship.
Close to the bottom in education funding.
Close to the bottom in high school graduation.
Highest in executions.
Close to the top for incarceration.
If Texas is so awesome, why do so many come to Alaska to work?
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Please don't post those things.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)I've been to Texas several times. Can't say the same and not be lying.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Skittles
(153,150 posts)Rectangle
(667 posts)coverage!
http://www.texmed.org/Template.aspx?id=5517
Lots of low paying jobs, with no benefits.
Way to go!!
rurallib
(62,406 posts)heading backwards in the time machine.
clarice
(5,504 posts)maddezmom
(135,060 posts)People posting facts are not hate filled.
clarice
(5,504 posts)maddezmom
(135,060 posts)I said you sounded like one.
clarice
(5,504 posts)All I did was to try to give props to my State, and look what I started. Live and learn.
maddezmom
(135,060 posts)But you asked the question and I answered with my opinion.
clarice
(5,504 posts)very nice. It's some of the others. Friends?
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)You said it yourself. I know you are looking for bumps to your thread, I love it because it is so fuzzy. I have always loved you clarice.
rurallib
(62,406 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)It's not even if it's good or bad news, most have never been there (I have).
This community has a lot of people who are just so angry with some of the things that happen in Texas, like textbook selection and executions, and Texans, like the Bush family, that they just don't think first and instead react.
And sometimes it's in a very mean way.
I am embarrassed by us, sometimes, and I'm sorry that your post is being so rudely challenged.
maddezmom
(135,060 posts)Great...some survey says we're # 1 in something but we are far behind the pack in things that are important to me. Poverty. Women's Rights. Graduation rates. Health Care. I could go on and on but I will stop there. I hate region bashing but I also dislike cheer leading for a state about one thing while overlooking the bigger issues. Sorry.
clarice
(5,504 posts)trumad
(41,692 posts)This guy smells of troll 50 miles away. He will be PPRed within a week,
clarice
(5,504 posts)well thought out, reasoned opinion. BTW... I wear White Diamonds, not Eau de Troll.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and even then they only get a fraction of the hate/jokes/scorn that Florida usually gets...
Rectangle
(667 posts)here's the story;
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/19/texas-begins-replacing-paved-roads-with-gravel-due-to-lack-of-funding/
You can't make this shit up!
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)Speaking from personal experience here.
Getting your business permit takes about 5 minutes online. When it comes to paying your state taxes, the state bends over backwards to assist you. They really REALLY seem to want to help. I consider them an excellent example of government actually working well.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)Texas is intent on keeping Obamacare out which ends pre-existing conditions freeing people to quit their jobs and strike out on their own small business which I think is the #1 fear of big business.
Notafraidtoo
(402 posts)To be number 1# in business climate means you are number 1# in anti consumer protection,anti labor,anti environment, anti education,you do know that all this is going to come crumbling down when growth stops due to low wages and no way to increase them? the worse thing for small business is consumers with no money. This is recipe for temporary gains resulting in long term loses. Its also going to result in a brain drain, why make 35k in Texas when you can make 80k in California for the same job or 160k in Australia.
There is a ton of things Texas scores high in that are horrible- bad education, low income, no health insurance, high pollution, mooching off the government because they get more fed money than they give,teen pregnancy, low IQ, child mortality, accidental shootings, food borne illness the list goes on and on and on, Sorry Texas is shit but if you think having a lot of low wage jobs to choose from a good thing go right ahead and cheer it.
clarice
(5,504 posts)rdharma
(6,057 posts)Or do they just have polluted leftover fracking fluids?
cali
(114,904 posts)TX has 6.5% compared to Vermont at 4.6%.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)I Won
clarice
(5,504 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Where's the list? Who made this list? What's the criteria? Link?
Just curious where all this conversation/argument is coming from when all I see is "Way to go !!!!!!"
clarice
(5,504 posts)"Small Business Trends" (I tried to post the link in the original
OP) but I'm kinda computer challenged. Anyway I didn't notice at the time that SBT had pulled the list from a place called
CEO magazine. That's why everyone had a conniption fit.
I'm now an Evil Capitalist / Troll / home wrecker / etc.