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Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 03:44 PM Feb 2012

BEES, BEES, & MORE BEES!

Who is the poster who keeps posting about saving the bees? It was an interesting post, but I forget the poster.

Anyway, I thought he'd like to know that when I went out to look at my blooming Mexican plum tree today, what did I find to my surprise was....it was covered with little bees! They're so little. Never seen bees that little. I had to look closer, since I thought at first they might be really big flies. But sure enough, they're little bees flitting from bloom to bloom! Lots and lots of 'em!

This is a good sign that the tree will produce some plums this year, if it doesn't freeze now. This is an early bloom because of unusually warm weather.

The BEES are BACK!

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BEES, BEES, & MORE BEES! (Original Post) Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 OP
Sounds like a good sign - we need our bees! calimary Feb 2012 #1
Maybe I'll get some mint, then. Do the bumblebees like that? Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #2
Evergreen shrubs, small trees native to western US & northern Mexico. Related to madrone. pinto Feb 2012 #3
highly prized (and priced) for bird perches mopinko Feb 2012 #8
Not sure about bumblers, but honey bees adore mint, most flowering herbs for that matter. n/t sarge43 Feb 2012 #4
I kind of want to learn bee-keeping TlalocW Feb 2012 #5
My daughter just went to a class and put their first hive together. Can't wait to see how it works. jwirr Feb 2012 #7
I just moved to Kansas City TlalocW Feb 2012 #9
Keep watching there will be another one. jwirr Feb 2012 #10
welcome to KC greymattermom Feb 2012 #11
High Fives to First Hives! annabanana Feb 2012 #25
Ran a google check, TlalocW sarge43 Feb 2012 #12
Do it! bvar22 Feb 2012 #18
That was such an interesting and informative post. Thank you. Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #19
This can be done by one person, bvar22 Feb 2012 #21
Thank you so much for all that information. I am even more interested, now. Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #24
Thanks for the welcomes. Right now, I'm in an apartment TlalocW Feb 2012 #26
Well great. OriginalGeek Feb 2012 #6
Well, that has to be better than the african bees taking them over! oneshooter Feb 2012 #13
LOL! Clever. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #28
Mexican jumping bees? mysuzuki2 Feb 2012 #14
LOL! nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #29
It sounds as if you may have seen some sort of native Bee as opposed hedgehog Feb 2012 #15
in milwaukee, the squirrels planted an ornamental chinese lantern plant/seed. pansypoo53219 Feb 2012 #22
You sound like me. pecwae Feb 2012 #16
BEES BEES BEES BEES! chrisa Feb 2012 #17
Not me. I'll have to Google that, I guess. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #20
I've been prophesying this year will have tons of bugs & bees...at least in MI fadedrose Feb 2012 #23
Oprah gets it done. Brickbat Feb 2012 #27

calimary

(81,210 posts)
1. Sounds like a good sign - we need our bees!
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 03:48 PM
Feb 2012

We have some manzanita bushes in our front yard and they attract lots of bees, including bumble bees! Plus some mint in the back yard that they seem to like a lot. Always happy to see that!

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
2. Maybe I'll get some mint, then. Do the bumblebees like that?
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 03:52 PM
Feb 2012

I've never heard of manzanita bushes, so I expect they don't grow here in Dallas TX.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
3. Evergreen shrubs, small trees native to western US & northern Mexico. Related to madrone.
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 04:09 PM
Feb 2012

Beautiful, tough plants. Distinctive reddish bark. Drought tolerant. Blooms late winter/spring usually.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
7. My daughter just went to a class and put their first hive together. Can't wait to see how it works.
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 04:44 PM
Feb 2012

TlalocW

(15,380 posts)
9. I just moved to Kansas City
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 04:53 PM
Feb 2012

And was surfing the web looking for places to see if they'd like to hire me (side business), and I learned I just missed a beekeeping class from one place. I was bummed!

TlalocW

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
12. Ran a google check, TlalocW
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 05:16 PM
Feb 2012

The Northeastern Kansas Beekeeper Association is located in Overland Park. Its site mentioned a beekeeping class on 17 Mar.

That's the best way to get up and running, talking with the folks involved.

It's a fascinating hobby, frustrating and rewarding.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
18. Do it!
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 09:28 PM
Feb 2012

We started in the Spring of 2007.
Neither of us had any hands on experience.




They Honey Bees seemed like a natural addition to our new life in Arkansas.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=246x5729

We arrived at our new home in the Ouachita Mountains of Arkansas in Oct 2006. During the Winter, Starkraven researched bees (mostly online), and purchased a "Starter Kit" and two hive bodies online. She assembled the hives during the Winter, and in the Spring, the bees arrived via mail. Neither Starkraven nor myself had had any hands-on experience with bees, and the early days were pretty stressful.

We both became more and more fascinated with these insects, took a course offered by the State,
and later joined our local BeeKeepers Association.

While the bees are hearty and very good at taking care of themselves, they sometimes need some help.
We were lucky, and blundered through the first year on online research and love, but taking a course and joining the BeeKeepers Association has been invaluable, and we highly recommend it to anyone considering bees.

Our bees are very gentle (Italian/All Stars). We always wear protective hoods and gloves and use a smoker, but rarely put on the full suit. We do get stung on rare occasions (through the gloves or jeans), but it is no big deal anymore. I am considering trying BeeSting therapy for some arthritis in my hands .

We have gotten very comfortable with the bees, and what was initially a stressful experience has become routine. We inspect the hives every month during the Spring/Summer, a little more frequently if we are taking off honey. It takes about 15 minutes per hive. During the Winter, we rarely open the hives. ...only enough to make sure they have food (sugar water).

Our colonies are about 20 yards from the backdoor, visible from the house. There are plenty of bees around our house and gardens, but they have never caused a problem with us or our pets. Neither of us has been stung outside of messing with the hives.

There are many websites that offer full starter kits online.
I believe we ordered our kit from Dadant.

We offer the following suggestions based on our oersonal experience:


1) Check in with you County Extension.
They are very helpful. There are some regulations concerning transportation, registration, and inspection, and there may be some local ordinances. They are a great resource for latest research and new methods, pest & disease control. They can also facilitate state hive inspections.
We generally avoid government agencies where ever possible, and have never voluntarily registered anything, but we make an exception for our bees. The benefits FAR outweigh any downside.

2)Join you local Beekeepers Association.
These are some of the most laid back people you will ever meet. Starkraven and myself are not joiners, but we look forward to our monthly meetings with the "bee people". This is another valuable resource for local information concerning pests, honey flows, equipment and disreputable operators. You can also pick up some hands-on experience working around hives.
Make no mistake...it is scary opening a hive the first time.
You will also be able to pick up some free localized bees from you local bee keepers. (Healthy colonies EXPAND, and many local bee keepers have all they want and are more than happy to give them away).

3)Always use new equipment
There are some very persistent pests and diseases that can be transmitted through the equipment. Used equipment abounds at some very attractive prices.
It is not worth the risk in my opinion. If you join the local association, some will offer you old equipment for FREE, but we always politely turn it down.
New Equipment is very reasonable, and there are many wholesalers and retailers online.
We use Dadant, and have been very happy with them.

4)Do NOT to use flower scented deodorant or fabric softeners.
This seems like Common Sense, but we learned the hard way.




The Bees have been a real adventure, and an incredibly satisfying experience.
The more we learn about these creatures, the more fascinated we become.

Our two colonies survived the rather mild Winter, and both have high populations,
so we are planning to split the hives in April. Ultimately, we would like to keep about six colonies.

One of the websites we like is Bush Bees.
http://www.bushfarms.com/beesnewbees.htm
We don't agree with everything he does,
but love his natural approach to BeeKeeping.

The End Product is beautiful,

and you will have the satisfaction and security of KNOWING
that your Honey is 100% Pure, Natural Honey,
and NOT Corn Syrup that has been reprocessed through a Bee.

Have fun, and good luck.


Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
19. That was such an interesting and informative post. Thank you.
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 11:00 PM
Feb 2012

You've got me interested in taking this up as a hobby if and when I move out of the city. I'm going to garden as a hobby, and I could add this. Can this be done by one person? Or does it take two?

Stupid question: Why no deoderant or fabric softener?

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
21. This can be done by one person,
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:15 AM
Feb 2012

...and usually is in this area.

It is a good idea to have One Keeper who knows the hives,
remembers what he/she saw & heard the last time that a particular hive was opened,
and makes the final decisions.
Small Scale Bee Keeping is still pretty much an art. The best keepers have a relationship with their colonies,
and can hear what the Bees are telling them. It is like a 6th Sense.
MY wife, Starkraven, IS the "Keeper" in our family.
I help, discuss what I see, and make recommendations,
but the decisions are hers.

It does take some strength and a healthy back.
A full Honey Super weighs between 45 - 60 pounds,
and it is awkward to lift it off the top of a healthy hive from a bent over at the waist position.
Many pro BeeKeeeprers end up with bad backs.

There are some creative ideas floating around The Net to address this problem.

*add handles to the sides of the hive bodies. This makes them easier to grip,
and lets one lift from a more upright position
(We are going to add simple handles this year.)

* make you own smaller hive bodies, or use only the smaller "supers" and no standard size hive bodies in your "stack".
If you look at photos of hives, you will usually see one BIG section, and a smaller one on top. Part of beekeeping involves rotating the stack (putting the big section on top) in early Spring. The Queen moves UP to the big section (now on top) and starts laying eggs (brood) in the big section. This is later moved back to the bottom at the start of the Honey Flow.
Some people that have trouble with the weight of the large hive body have started using only the smaller "Supers",
making them easier to lift and switch. The downside is more sections to move around, takes longer, harder to "find the queen", but they are lighter.
Another upside is all the equipment is the same size, making the keeping and storage of extra equipment easier logistically.
Using only the smaller Supers is becoming increasingly popular among small scale BeeKeepers.


*horizontal "Top Bar" hives.
This keeps the hive stacks from getting too high
Google "top bar" Bee Hives for some photos.

The problem with non-standard unconventional hives is that you have to make your own equipment.
It is not difficult, but does require basic carpentry skill and basic tools.
Basic power tools ( table saw, miter saw, some type of joiner) makes this task easy.
There are plenty of Step-by-Step instructions on the net.

Extracting honey is also more difficult from non-standard equipment.

Bush Bees has some good info on non standard hives.
http://www.bushfarms.com/beestopbarhives.htm

We are considering a Top Bar Hive this year.
We've also seen some great creative ideas for ornamental Garden Hives.
Though in general , the further away from standard size equipment one moves,
the more difficult it becomes to extract honey,
so it is probably better to start with standard size equipment.


"Why no deodorant or fabric softener?"
The key words are "Flower Scented".
The bees are attracted to the Flower Scent.
We couldn't understand WHY our bees were following us everywhere we went, and trying to crawl up our underarms.
There are several places you don't want to be stung, and the armpit is one.

This may not be true for ALL flower scented products, but it was for the ones we were using.
We switched to "neutral", and the problem disappeared.

We are more than happy to answer any more questions you may have.
We believe that Small Scale, Localized, Natural Bee Keeping is the answer.
The closer you become to your bees, and the more you learn about them,
the more contempt you will develop for the crowded commercial Factory Bee operations.
No wonder their Bees leave (CCD). I wouldn't want to live there and eat Corn Syrup all day.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
24. Thank you so much for all that information. I am even more interested, now.
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 03:13 PM
Feb 2012

I'd never thought about bee keeping as a hobby. But it would work perfectly with my love of gardening, as a 2nd hobby.

I'm going to check into this. I'm an avg sized woman (5'5", avg weight & strength), so I don't think I could handle a 60 lb lift w/o risk of dropping it. So I'd have to do the smaller size thingies. I can lift my dogs well enough w/o fear of dropping them (35 lbs), and think I could go to 45. 50 lbs gets into risk of dropping, I think.

Thanks.

TlalocW

(15,380 posts)
26. Thanks for the welcomes. Right now, I'm in an apartment
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 10:51 PM
Feb 2012

I moved from a house from Tulsa - got tired of being a homeowner so beekeeping might have to wait a while to see what I eventually move into.

I'll share this funny story with you. My side business is entertainment - balloon twisting and magic. A couple weeks ago, I was back in Tulsa helping a friend with a booth at the Women's Expo - a trade show for people marketing their products toward women - by twisting balloons at his booth to draw attention. A good friend of mine that I convinced to move to Tulsa came and sat in the booth to visit with me when it was slow. She walked around the expo and went up to various businesses asking them what they would give her for a large balloon sculpture representative of their business. There were bee-keepers there with their products so she came back with an "order" of a balloon bee. So I made the biggest one I could, and she got like 10 honey-based lip-balms out of it. The next day, she checked to see if they wanted anything else, and I ended up making a large teddy-bear holding a honey-pot. I forget what she got, but she was very happy. My friends like to pimp me out.

TlalocW

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
15. It sounds as if you may have seen some sort of native Bee as opposed
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 06:09 PM
Feb 2012

to the imported European honey bee. If so, it's good to know they're thriving and taking up the slack!

pansypoo53219

(20,969 posts)
22. in milwaukee, the squirrels planted an ornamental chinese lantern plant/seed.
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 01:18 PM
Feb 2012

it has now become a patch, but tiny little bees love it. never see them elsewhere, but they love the multitude of blossoms. wasps love my pussy willow TREE when it has pollen.

pecwae

(8,021 posts)
16. You sound like me.
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 07:27 PM
Feb 2012

I got so excited last year when I saw honeybees coming to the bee balm. I'd love to know where their hive is to observe it, but just seeing them is a lot of comfort.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
23. I've been prophesying this year will have tons of bugs & bees...at least in MI
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 01:24 PM
Feb 2012

Last edited Sun Feb 26, 2012, 01:58 PM - Edit history (1)

We have had the mildest winter I could recall ever. I don't think the temperature ever went below 5 degrees if it even went that low. Winter didn't even start here until the middle of Feb, and only 2 small snow occurrences, hard to call them storms...

So it's going to be good for birds who eat bugs - misquitos, spiders, roaches, all kinds of little crawly things...

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