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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhere is the OUTRAGE? WSJ Reports "75% of Americans Spied on" Reported from Un-named Sources!
Why are the Un-named Sources not being Hunted Down for Espionage against America? Who Leaked to the WSJ that this was going on during the Olympics and we don't know that it ended with that. So...is anyone going to go after the WSJ and hammer their Hard Drives into Oblivion?Shouldn't "WSJ" be held to same standards as what happened to the GUARDIAN?
INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO ASK THIS!
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Latest Leak: NSA Can Spy On Almost Anything, Gets To Set Its Own Filters
from the and-another-shoe-drops dept
And, here we go again. This time, it's the WSJ journal with the scoop on NSA surveillance, and how the defenders of the NSA have been lying to us. Despite claims that the NSA was really only focused on foreign communications, the WSJ is reporting that it actually covers 75% of US internet traffic:
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The system has the capacity to reach roughly 75% of all U.S. Internet traffic in the hunt for foreign intelligence, including a wide array of communications by foreigners and Americans. In some cases, it retains the written content of emails sent between citizens within the U.S. and also filters domestic phone calls made with Internet technology, these people say.
Basically, they're just revealing more details about the things that whistleblower Mark Klein revealed years ago: that the NSA has deals with the major telcos which scoop up a huge amount of internet traffic.
This filtering takes place at more than a dozen locations at major Internet junctions in the U.S., officials say.
The WSJ report is wrong on one account, though. It claims that people believed that the NSA's filtering actually happened "where undersea or other foreign cables enter the country" but that's not true. Mark Klein made it clear that the NSA had machines directly on AT&T's property.
And, of course, it will come as no surprise that these programs that work directly with telcos to tap into full internet traffic aren't just about metadata:
[....] Inevitably, officials say, some U.S. Internet communications are scanned and intercepted, including both "metadata" about communications, such as the "to" and "from" lines in an email, and the contents of the communications themselves.
This also shouldn't be a surprise. For all the talk of "metadata" it was always clear that the surveillance defenders were talking about this program only, which was the Patriot Act Section 215 "business records" program. But other programs, such as these listed above, were clearly about actual content as well.
MORE AT:
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130820/18365124262/latest-leak-nsa-can-spy-almost-anything-gets-to-set-its-own-filters.shtml
gopiscrap
(23,736 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)And I'd like to keep what little I have left.
& Rec !!!
KoKo
(84,711 posts)on their Blockbuster story that got coverage on Bloomberg Financial News...while Bradley Manning gets 35 Years...Snowden is hunted like a Rabid Dog, Greenwald and Partner are Trashed Daily and we have a LIST of NSA Whistleblowers who are "Serving Time" or have been thrown out of Employment.
Interesting ...Isn't it. the UNEQUAL JUSTICE in "America...Land of the Free and Home of the Brave....
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Link: http://dailyuw.com/archive/2001/05/16/imported/theres-no-justice-theres-just-us#.UhVKRdJjuSo
We all ******* now...
KoKo
(84,711 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)But either way, it's too much
KoKo
(84,711 posts)We have a "Small Business" dealing with European Clients. To save Travel Costs we use Skype and E-Mail Heavily.
We have a European Client who is looking to do business with us who has a Venture Capitalist Financer who can Fund the Deal an they live in a Country Targeted by NSA.
Let's say our business has a German or Swiss Client...who relies on Saudi/Chinese or Other Investment Clients to Invest in our targeted business that we are Pitching to Them.
We link oursleves to a "Conference Call" between all "interested partners" but our COMPETITERS are clued into US INTERNATIONALS PHONE TAPS...and they don't Want our DEAL to go FORWARD....so they use Booz-Allen or other "favored source" that our Government considers "Privileged" and they get DATA on our E-Mails/Skyp to Ditch OUR Proposal for Business to favor "Booz-Allen" or maybe Goldman-Sachs, Mc Kinsey Partners for Research or maybe JP Morgan who has clients all across the Globe looking to have Insight into the deal we (Small Business) is trying to do a deal with.
If they have access to all our Small Business Stuff...the BIG GUYS can come in and BID AHEAD OF US...and we are OUT OF IT. We have to lay off support personnel...and Lose Out...because we can't FIGHT THE BIG GUYS who are monitoring our small deals. Our Small Deals are how Capitalism is supposed to work...where the Small can Grow Bigger...but, if the BIG GUYS had an Advantage...then we are CUT OUT... We can't GROW.
This is Capitalism for the 1% and not for Job GROWTH!
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)The article you linked doesn't say 75 percent of Americans; it says 75 percent of internet traffic. I don't have access to the WSJ paid site, but I wonder about the quote in your headline, because it sounds like the WSJ, if that was their headline, got it wrong in a very misleading way.
As these posts have pointed out, the vast majority of internet traffic is streaming video and audio like Netflix or Youtube, and bots/advertising/automated traffic.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023458007
The Wildly Misleading PR Claim re: NSA Spying: "We only monitor 1.6 percent of web traffic."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023438572
If they are spying on 75 percent of all internet traffic, when the vast majority of traffic that *exists* is stuff like TV shows and advertising that they're clearly not after, they have basically admitted that they are spying on EVERYONE.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)The way to get around the WSJ Paywall is to cut and paste the Title into your Search Engine of Choice. It will come up for you.
They were really focusing on the Olympics in Salt Lake City...but their "WhistleBlower/Leakers...were saying it's 75% of incoming traffic. Whatever...it's interesting WSJ comes out adding to the Snowden Reports.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)I never thought of doing that!
Seventy-five percent of all traffic is sure what it looks like. I think at this point "Collect it All" is a pretty safe assumption when it comes to their efforts re: personal information.
Rex
(65,616 posts)It goes against their narrative.
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ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)Are there that many hermits with no phones, email, internet, credit cards, bank accounts, catalogs or friends?
But I'm starting to wonder if some of us are incapable of understanding the difference between "Spied on" and "Capacity to spy on"
The U.S. Air Force has the capacity to kill every American 500 times.
The U.S. Air Force killed everybody 500 times.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)is the way it usually works.
If you can get more Govt. Funding to GO FOR IT! i.e. Full Capacity...why would you hold back. It means JOBS for this President (or the Bush Era Regime) in a lagging economy.
You can understand that...can't you?
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)sure is making you Demotarians look goofy
LiberalArkie
(15,708 posts)Let's take a small telco that has a large backbone of its own. Probably only hits AT&T and Verizon and Comcast when then traffic has to leave its network.
And then they spent the next 30 years trying to read through it all.
This is getting beyond silly at this point.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Ever heard of computing?