"Obama DOJ Asks Court to Grant Immunity to George W. Bush For Iraq War"

[applegrove]

Obama DOJ Asks Court to Grant Immunity to George W. Bush For Iraq War

By Inder Comar at war is a crime

http://warisacrime.org/content/obama-doj-asks-court-grant-immunity-george-w-bush-iraq-war

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In her lawsuit, Saleh alleges that:

-- Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz began planning the Iraq War in 1998 through their involvement with the “Project for the New American Century,” a Washington DC non-profit that advocated for the military overthrow of Saddam Hussein.

-- Once they came to power, Saleh alleges that Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz convinced other Bush officials to invade Iraq by using 9/11 as an excuse to mislead and scare the American public into supporting a war.

-- Finally, she claims that the United States failed to obtain United Nations approval prior to the invasion, rendering the invasion illegal and an act of impermissible aggression.

“The good news is that while we were disappointed with the certification, we were prepared for it,” Comar stated. “We do not see how a Westfall Act certification is appropriate given that Ms. Saleh alleges that the conduct at issue began prior to these defendants even entering into office. I think the Nuremberg prosecutors, particularly American Chief Prosecutor Robert Jackson, would be surprised to learn that planning a war of aggression at a private non-profit, misleading a fearful public, and foregoing proper legal authorization somehow constitute lawful employment duties for the American president and his or her cabinet.”

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[applegrove]

1. Planning the war in 1998? Is this why the Project For The New American Century has

tried to erase itself? Cause I totally bought the propaganda in 2002/2003. I've said since maybe they went public with PNAC at the time so they couldn't fall under RICO laws.

[delrem]

6. Yes.

People the world over knew this in 2002-3 and there were mass demonstrations. The people demonstrating did know this.
They also know the full scope of PNAC plans, which continue in Libya and Syria .....

That's the scariest part of it. Back then I imagined that these very powerful politicians and financiers were a fading remnant of a Republican faction that was having a last gasp with GWB. Most of them were *old*, going back to Nixon and to political backrooms dominated by Nixonian R's. It was easy to fool myself into thinking that it could be defeated by Party politics, by voting in a different Party, representatives with a different background, different and less sleazy goals.

I think the tectonic shock we glimpse on DU w.r.t. ongoing WOT abuses even under President Obama is because "leftists", those who disagreed with PNAC and vociferously "outed" the lies that are necessarily told to encourage popular consent for PNAC objectives, find themselves without an established power base. That is, they find that the PNAC vision is continuing even after they voted, successfully, for "hope and change".

Such tectonic shocks to one's core political belief system creates "wreckage", personal pain, and are one of the most difficult things an adult can experience, absorb and start building from. So, naturally, there are "deniers" who don't want to go there. Not bad people, none of them!

[WinkyDink]

10. You believed BUSH and CHENEY??? OVER ALL THE WORLD'S PROTESTORS & HANS BLIX???

Unfathomable.

[liberal_at_heart]

2. Manning gets 35 years and Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz get immunity. Disgusting.

[Politicalboi]

3. We need other countries to demand a trail

Let them be tried in Iraq. I'm sure it will be a fair trial, Saddam got one. Although I kind of felt bad for him. Yes he was a bad man, but WE helped him get there. WE tricked him. WE killed him.

[liberal_at_heart]

4. We need several big countries to demand a trial, but that won't happen because that would mean

allies who prosper financially from us would have to demand a trial.

[brooklynite]

5. I had a feeling this story was inaccurate...and I was right

First, this is a CIVIL suit, not a criminal charge...

Second, this is a request for PROCEDURAL immunity, not a blanket immunity for crimes...

It means that the Court is being asked to recognize that Bush, Cheney et al were Government Officials acting in an official capacity and that under the concept of SOVEREIGN immunity, the Government cannot be sued (without consent), so neither should its officials and agents. The Court is in no way being asked to condone or excuse behavior, or immunize them from criminal charges, if charges can be found.

[HumansAndResources]

7. Innacurate? I though "lawsuit" = civil suit.

As to the rest - I'm not an expert on the details, but it is sad that there has been zero accountability for the Bush crimes. First Pelosi's "off the table" - then Obama's "look forward, not back" - both policies EFFECTIVELY Excused crimes of the greatest magnitude. No getting around that part - there could have been investigations, and there weren't.

[brooklynite]

9. The OP reads "Obama DOJ Asks Court to Grant Immunity to George W. Bush For Iraq War"

That implies full immunity. That is misleading.

[Egnever]

8. Yup just another misleading headline mean to build outrage

It's almost like there's an agenda there or something


Nah couldnt be this is DU right?