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If it is proven Assad used chemical weapons (Original Post) applegrove Aug 2013 OP
If it is proven the "rebels" did it, then what? Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #1
I say bomb both sides. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #10
And we do that how without breaking the law? Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #12
Crap. Wait Wut Aug 2013 #2
I think our best course is to stay out. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #6
In the absense of Russia and China agreeing dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #3
Airbases wouldn't be enough. TheMightyFavog Aug 2013 #4
The UN? Bomb with what? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #5
The French want something done too. applegrove Aug 2013 #7
One more piece of evidence: dixiegrrrrl Aug 2013 #8
I think the time to get involved has passed railsback Aug 2013 #9
Fuck no. 99Forever Aug 2013 #11
For what purpose? bhikkhu Aug 2013 #13
Destroy airbases. Destroy them. Sure he can rebuild, but with the understanding applegrove Aug 2013 #14
 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
1. If it is proven the "rebels" did it, then what?
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:31 PM
Aug 2013

Seems weird that Assad would do this the day the UN inspectors show up. Makes zero sense.

Of course the rebels are AQ and other fundy scumbags who are bent on seeing a religiously controlled country. You can't really trust anyone with a god insanity.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
2. Crap.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:34 PM
Aug 2013

I don't know what to think. I used to think I knew, but after the Arab Spring...everything changed. Now I'm not sure, anymore.

I just want it all to stop. I want them to all experience true peace. I want the beauty of their culture to be celebrated.

I want Assad dead. Does that sound contradictory? Wanting peace for the people and death for Assad? Too freakin' bad. That's what I want.

I don't know that I want the UN, US, etc. involved, but I think that may be their only hope.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
6. I think our best course is to stay out.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:41 PM
Aug 2013

There are no good outcomes. It's a negative-sum game, a terrible trap. No way for us to "win" (whatever THAT might mean).

TheMightyFavog

(13,770 posts)
4. Airbases wouldn't be enough.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:38 PM
Aug 2013

You'd have to go after their missile and gun artillery and take out every Transporter Erector Launcher vehicles and static launch sites, and possibly every artillery emplacement he has.

Pretty tall order.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
8. One more piece of evidence:
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:05 PM
Aug 2013
Rebels: Syrian medics die after treating attack victims

Some first responders to a reported chemical attack in Syria have died after treating victims, providing more evidence that a weapon of mass destruction was indeed used, opposition forces said Thursday.

"Some of them came down with similar symptoms and passed away," said Khaled Saleh, a spokesman for the Supreme Military Council of the Free Syrian Army, which the United States has provided with non-lethal aid. Saleh said at least six doctors had died after treating victims. "We don't have the (total) number of dead first responders yet," he said.

Despite seemingly overwhelming evidence, the Syrian government continues to deny that it used chemical weapons. Three dozen countries, including the U.S., have now called for a United Nations investigation.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/22/syria-chemical-attack-responders-die/2686971/
 

railsback

(1,881 posts)
9. I think the time to get involved has passed
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:21 PM
Aug 2013

Its just a proxy war now, squabbling super powers arming each side. This could go on for years.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
11. Fuck no.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:33 PM
Aug 2013

We need to stay the fuck out of other nations business. We've got enough crap right here at home to fix first.

If YOU think you want to stick YOUR nose into it, more power to you. Do it on your OWN dime and OWN ass on the front line.

bhikkhu

(10,715 posts)
13. For what purpose?
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:24 PM
Aug 2013

Take out the air force, and the military remains, still fighting. Take out the whole Assad leadership, and you still have an entrenched civil war. Install any new pseudo-leadership, and it would have a minority of support in Syria and be mired in years of civil war...

Not to be defeatist, or to say that standing aside and watching atrocities is better than getting involved, but I think that the opportunity to improve matters (from the outside) there has passed.

applegrove

(118,600 posts)
14. Destroy airbases. Destroy them. Sure he can rebuild, but with the understanding
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:40 PM
Aug 2013

that they will be destroyed again if Assad uses chemical weapons. Make it a 'negative taxis' http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Positive_taxis
so, like the single celled organism Assad is, he stays away from chemical weapons. That all he understands. If I do 'x' then 'y' results so I better not do 'x'. Won't stop the civil war. But 1300 dead in one day? Children too. Genocide. The French want to do something...maybe they can bomb the airbases if the USA is too heavily engaged in wars elsewhere.

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