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morningfog

(18,115 posts)
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 07:43 AM Aug 2013

Too Often Forgotten: An Amazingly Long List of What We Know Thanks to Private Manning

The debate in the media, and in political, circles over Edward Snowden--Right or Wrong--often doubles back on references to Pfc. Manning, who was sentenced to 35 years in prison on Wednesday. Too often (that is, most of the time), the value and import of the Manning/WikiLeaks disclosures are ignored or dismissed, just as Snowden's NSA scoops are often derided as "nothing new."

So for those who either suffer from memory loss or ignorance on this particular score, here is a partial accounting of some of the important revelations in the Manning leak, drawn from my book--with Kevin Gosztola--on the Manning case, Truth and Consequences (the e-book just now updated to include the trial, the verdict, this week's sentencing and reactions).

The revelations below were compiled for the book in March 2011--many others followed, including the important Gitmo files (see my piece about them). So even this accounting below is far from complete.

And let's not forget what started it all: the "Collateral Murder" video.

First, just a very partial list from "Cablegate" (keep in mind, this does not include many other bombshells that caused a stir in smaller nations abroad):

-Yemeni president lied to his own people, claiming his military carried out air strikes on militants actually done by U.S. All part of giving U.S. full rein in country against terrorists.

-Details on Vatican hiding big sex abuse cases in Ireland.

-U.S. tried to get Spain to curb its probes of Gitmo torture and rendition.

-Egyptian torturers trained by FBI—although allegedly to teach the human rights issues.

-State Dept memo: U.S.-backed 2009 coup in Honduras was 'illegal and unconstitutional.'”

-Cables on Tunisia appear to help spark revolt in that country. The country's ruling elite described as “The Family,” with Mafia-like skimming throughout the economy. The country's First Lady may have made massive profits off a private school.

-U.S. knew all about massive corruption in Tunisia back in 2006 but went on supporting the government anyway, making it the pillar of its North Africa policy.

-Cables showed the UK promised in 2009 to protect U.S interests in the official Chilcot inquiry on the start of the Iraq war.

-U.S. pressured the European Union to accept GM — genetic modification, that is.

-Washington was misled by our own diplomats on Russia-Georgia showdown.

-Extremely important historical document finally released in full: Ambassador April Glaspie's cable from Iraq in 1990 on meeting with Saddam Hussein before Kuwait invasion.

-The UK sidestepped a ban on housing cluster bombs. Officials concealed from Parliament how the U.S. is allowed to bring weapons on to British soil in defiance of treaty.

-New York Times: “From hundreds of diplomatic cables, Afghanistan emerges as a looking-glass land where bribery, extortion and embezzlement are the norm and the honest man is a distinct outlier.”

-Afghan vice president left country with $52 million “in cash.”

-Shocking levels of U.S. spying at the United Nations (beyond what was commonly assumed) and intense use of diplomats abroad in intelligence-gathering roles.

-Potential environmental disaster kept secret by the U.S. when a large consignment of highly enriched uranium in Libya came close to cracking open and leaking radioactive material into the atmosphere.

-U.S. used threats, spying, and more to try to get its way at last year's crucial climate conference in Copenhagen.

-Hundreds of cables detail U.S. use of diplomats as “sales” agents, more than previously thought, centering on jet rivalry of Boeing vs. Airbus. Hints of corruption and bribes.

-Millions in U.S. military aid for fighting Pakistani insurgents went to other gov't uses (or stolen) instead.

-Israel wanted to bring Gaza to the ”brink of collapse.”

-The U.S. secret services used Turkey as a base to transport terrorism suspects as part of its extraordinary rendition program.

-As protests spread in Egypt, cables revealed that strong man Suleiman was at center of government's torture programs, causing severe backlash for Mubarak after he named Suleiman vice president during the revolt. Other cables revealed or confirmed widespread Mubarak regime corruption, police abuses and torture, and claims of massive Mubarak famiiy fortune, significantly influencing media coverage and U.S. response.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/175879/too-often-forgotten-amazingly-long-list-what-we-know-thanks-private-manning#

It goes on and on. The list is so massive, the illegal or improper acts done by our government so extensive, the big dump was warranted. The entire cache needed dissemination so that it could be sifted through carefully to uncover the lies and abuses. Manning was and is a whistle-blower.

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Too Often Forgotten: An Amazingly Long List of What We Know Thanks to Private Manning (Original Post) morningfog Aug 2013 OP
You ought to put author Greg Mitchell's name in there prominently Kolesar Aug 2013 #1
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #2
And Assange is eating dinner off a paper plate sitting behind a piece of presswood furniture Kolesar Aug 2013 #3
She does not belong there. She deserves our thanks. morningfog Aug 2013 #4
+1 thanks (nt) enough Aug 2013 #6
Why do you have a Bernie Sanders avatar? burnodo Aug 2013 #5
No shit. progressoid Aug 2013 #14
Exactly. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #17
It's part of the schtick. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #40
Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld and Condie and Wofowitz and Ledeen and Gonzalez and sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #12
This is an important enough post that I hope you will consider making it an HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #18
Fascism has succeeded. Nuremberg will be regarded as an oddity. Swagman Aug 2013 #20
If fascism had "succeeded," I wager you and I would be having this HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #22
and the murderers roam free because for some inexplicable Swagman Aug 2013 #19
And your friends Bush and company walk free. Whose side are you on? Obviously not the 99%. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #36
#4 Go Vols Aug 2013 #38
Hopefully not for very long bhikkhu Aug 2013 #39
I tried to start a couple discussions back then on Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #7
Worshiping/denigrating the person, is more important than what they did or are doing. RC Aug 2013 #9
k&r for the truth. n/t Laelth Aug 2013 #8
Every country needs a Manning Celefin Aug 2013 #10
France had its Manning\Snowden back in 1898 during 'L'affaire Dreyfus' when HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #21
Thanks, interesting read. Celefin Aug 2013 #25
No worries. We actually only had to wait about 50 (since Ellsberg HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #27
K&R thanks for posting. n/t myrna minx Aug 2013 #11
Gee. All that is un-Constitutional lawbreaking by the US Government... Octafish Aug 2013 #13
du rec. xchrom Aug 2013 #15
Wow! Thanks for posting. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #16
I bet Manning would take it all back now. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #23
Can't let you get away with that shit. MsPithy Aug 2013 #26
She already said she wouldn't have done it if she knew the consequences on everyone else MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #28
umm - sometimes people being tortured say anything to stop the suffering. ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #30
Do you have a link to the harm caused by the Manning leaks? MsPithy Aug 2013 #32
Still waiting for the link to evidence of harm caused by MsPithy Aug 2013 #37
"She is a stone-cold hero" davekriss Aug 2013 #31
I bet you are wrong, as per usual. morningfog Aug 2013 #33
+1 burnodo Aug 2013 #34
well, bye! KG Aug 2013 #41
k and r for this imporant reminder niyad Aug 2013 #24
Kudos for the Nations Greg Mitchell for sticking with this story from the beginning. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #29
K&R felix_numinous Aug 2013 #35

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
1. You ought to put author Greg Mitchell's name in there prominently
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 07:56 AM
Aug 2013

There is a thought that people become different people over time. Hopefully, Manning will get clemency from some chief executive some day.

Response to morningfog (Original post)

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
3. And Assange is eating dinner off a paper plate sitting behind a piece of presswood furniture
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 08:07 AM
Aug 2013

It's Ground-Hog Day!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
12. Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld and Condie and Wofowitz and Ledeen and Gonzalez and
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 09:05 AM
Aug 2013

the rest of the cabal of War Criminals are not in jail. That is what has been highlighted by the Manning sentencing around the world today. We are reminded that the US no longer abides by the Rule of Law, here or anywhere else.

Manning is a hero and deserves a medal. And one day, when the Rule of Law is restored that is what will happen.

America has too many secrets, secret courts, secret extraordinary renditions, secret warrants, secret kill lists, secret 'terror' lists, secret Corporations who write laws across the country.

Thanks to the Whistle Blowers like Chelsea Manning and Snowden and Assange we know a few of those secrets now and what we have learned, while often suspected, is confirmed.

There will be more Whistle Blowers, just as the torture of Manning didn't deter the next Whistle Blower, the treatment of Journalists and of Snowden may only encourage the next.

We don't have many heroes, certainly not in Public Office, but these people are heroes and eventually their contributions will begin the process of restoring the Rule of Law to this country.

 

HardTimes99

(2,049 posts)
18. This is an important enough post that I hope you will consider making it an
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 09:28 AM
Aug 2013

OP of its own.

150 years later, few people other than professional historians remember James Buchanan but many people remember John Brown. I foresee a similar fate for Manning's reputation with the passage of time. That is no consolation to her, of course, and only small consolation to me.

I'm not sure the Rule of Law will ever be restored. IMHO, the U.S. became a rogue nation on March 20, 2003 and has done nothing since to rehabilitate itself. The Bush Junta deserves to have the principles first articulated at Nuremberg applied to it but I have serious doubts you or I shall ever see that happen. So we must take our consolation from the verdict of history and I trust it will be exceedingly kind to Manning.

 

HardTimes99

(2,049 posts)
22. If fascism had "succeeded," I wager you and I would be having this
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 09:35 AM
Aug 2013

conversation orally behind barbed wire and not in print\electronically.

Don't get me wrong. I think America is a very sick society in desperate need of some outside intervention. But I don't think the ailment is "fascism," properly speaking. We still have a nominal two-party system here, for example. Only one of those two parties is openly fascistic. The other party still pays at least lip service to the values of liberal humanism.

Swagman

(1,934 posts)
19. and the murderers roam free because for some inexplicable
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 09:28 AM
Aug 2013

reason some people are more outraged by the messenger than the message.

Go Vols

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38. #4
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 01:22 AM
Aug 2013
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bhikkhu

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39. Hopefully not for very long
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 01:31 AM
Aug 2013

I'm a firm supporter of the president, but I really hope he takes a good long look at that Nobel Peace Prize, and pardons Pvt Manning before he leaves office. Not doing so would put a pretty strong tarnish on his legacy.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
7. I tried to start a couple discussions back then on
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 08:44 AM
Aug 2013

Hilary spying/bugging on almost everyone at the U.N., but they all dropped like a stone...

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
9. Worshiping/denigrating the person, is more important than what they did or are doing.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 08:56 AM
Aug 2013

This is DU, after all.

Celefin

(532 posts)
10. Every country needs a Manning
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 08:57 AM
Aug 2013

Or several... the sooner the better. Especially my ex-love, moral-high-ground EU.

Whatever number of people gets 'hurt' (literally or as usual mainly embarrassed) by revelations like the above pales into insignificance compared to the number of people hurt by these classified ongoings.

The traitors are those who are responsible for and cover up this shit and those who defend the cover-up.

 

HardTimes99

(2,049 posts)
21. France had its Manning\Snowden back in 1898 during 'L'affaire Dreyfus' when
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 09:32 AM
Aug 2013

the French writer Emile Zola published his highly influential "J'accuse" letter. Zola actually had to flee to England for a year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%27accuse

N.B. The 'EU' is not a country.

Celefin

(532 posts)
25. Thanks, interesting read.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 10:36 AM
Aug 2013

Hope we don't have to wait another 115 years then :b

And you are of course right that I should have said 'the countries comprising the EU'... or more to the point 'those EU-countries that always try to take the moral high ground as opposed to the usually quiet EU members... but I guess at this point it gets confusing, heh. That's why I used 'EU'
Cheers.

 

HardTimes99

(2,049 posts)
27. No worries. We actually only had to wait about 50 (since Ellsberg
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 10:41 AM
Aug 2013

leaked the Pentagon Papers) or taking a still-more expansive view of leaking, 10 years (since Joe Wilson blew the whistle on the Bush Junta's war crimes). The human spirit to tell the truth cannot be easily extinguished by mere tyrants.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
13. Gee. All that is un-Constitutional lawbreaking by the US Government...
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 09:08 AM
Aug 2013

...on behalf of favored corporations and individuals, of course.

Oh, well. Too bad, so sad. Money trumps peace.

MsPithy

(809 posts)
26. Can't let you get away with that shit.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 10:37 AM
Aug 2013

You are attempting to minimize her heroism, by implying she would not follow her moral code if she knew there would be consequences.

Bullshit.

They tortured her for years to get her to falsely implicate Assange, and she wouldn't cave.

She is a stone-cold hero. Get used to it.

 

MjolnirTime

(1,800 posts)
28. She already said she wouldn't have done it if she knew the consequences on everyone else
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 10:45 AM
Aug 2013

It was part of her apology.

Maybe the code of doing no harm to the public at large weighs heavier in her mind now than the code of informing the public of government secrets.

Hindsight is 20/20.

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
30. umm - sometimes people being tortured say anything to stop the suffering.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 11:10 AM
Aug 2013

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I suspect there were threats of harm to herself, friends or family if she did not "tow the line".

"Maybe the code of doing no harm to the public at large weighs heavier in her mind now than the code of informing the public of government secrets. "

I think you got that one backwards.

It's these "government secrets" that are causing the harm, breaking down the very fabric of a decent society,

as well as destroying any trust and respect that may be left in the World toward the USA.

Be aware, I have nothing against the citizens of the USA per se, but USA's government I definitely have issues with.

As I do with my own government and our HarperSlut.

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