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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 08:48 AM Aug 2013

NSA abuses include Stalking ex-Girlfriends

NSA abuses include Stalking ex-Girlfriends




We have HUMINT, or human intelligence gathered from agents. We have SIGINT or signals intelligence. And now we have LOVEINT or NSA analysts occasionally reading the emails of ex-lovers. It doesn’t happen a lot, the NSA told the WSJ, but often enough that there is a word for it.

The NSA only admitted this abuse to the Senate Intelligence committee a few days ago.

The NSA has dealt with the spying scandal with the classic techniques of government manipulation of the public: Deny for as long as possible, then make few gradual small admissions, so when the big abuses come out the press views the story as stale and is unconcerned about the new scale of abuse coming out.

1. First, deny everything. Say it is impossible to access individual Americans’ email as they are typing.

2. Use the difference between statute (laws passed by Congress) and Ronald Reagan’s 1981 Executive Order (which responded to earlier intel abuses and forbids spying on Americans) to deny that any “laws” have been broken. (An Executive Order has the force of law but isn’t exactly a law.). Notorious authoritarians like Mike Rogers (R-MI), head of the House Intelligence Committee, have used this ploy. Rogers wouldn’t know a civil liberty if he tripped over it.

3. admit the capability but insist there are strict controls absolutely preventing abuse.


http://www.juancole.com/2013/08/include-stalking-girlfriends.html

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NSA abuses include Stalking ex-Girlfriends (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 OP
Jail em DiverDave Aug 2013 #1
there are abuses in every single government program treestar Aug 2013 #2
Did anyone seriously think this wouldn't happen? CrispyQ Aug 2013 #3
It could also be agent46 Aug 2013 #8
and then were "punished either with an administrative action or termination," NOT prosecuted Catherina Aug 2013 #4
Spying on Government officials Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #5
I agree. I'm sure the NSA was involved in bringing down people like Spitzer. Tip of the iceberg Catherina Aug 2013 #7
Jeez.. what a maroon! whistler162 Aug 2013 #14
Opinion of NSA = Voice of MIC Octafish Aug 2013 #11
"Polygraph Tests???" WTF??? hunter Aug 2013 #15
Oh, it's just a few bad apples... Octafish Aug 2013 #6
I feel *so* much safer now! City Lights Aug 2013 #9
of course, blackmail would never happen either, oh no steve2470 Aug 2013 #10
Every LE agency, including local police departments, experience the same kind of abuses. randome Aug 2013 #12
K&R. n/t myrna minx Aug 2013 #13
that puts the Dept of Homeland Security employees agenda in perspective Supersedeas Aug 2013 #16

treestar

(82,383 posts)
2. there are abuses in every single government program
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 09:53 AM
Aug 2013

It is human nature. That does not mean throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Punish/fire the wrongdoers.

CrispyQ

(36,424 posts)
3. Did anyone seriously think this wouldn't happen?
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 09:53 AM
Aug 2013


And it's not just ex-lovers. It could be a pissed off neighbor, a pissed of cousin. Anyone with that kind of access, to that kind of info, on someone they are angry at, is a mighty temptation.

agent46

(1,262 posts)
8. It could also be
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 10:53 AM
Aug 2013

Last edited Sat Aug 24, 2013, 11:32 AM - Edit history (1)

It could also be:

Religious fanatics doing "god's work" for their organizations and activist groups.

Self-styled patriots doing their paranoid best against the Illuminati controlled machinery of the slave planet on behalf of their personal beliefs and affiliations.

Entrepreneurs in the free capitalist tradition using their access to provide paid information services to a trusted network of business clients.

Political operatives with access giving recommendations to party strategists and politicians without disclosing any classified information.

Unscrupulous employees with stock brokers.

And so on...

There are as many misuses for these programs as there are people who will make excuses for them.

...breaking for coffee.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
4. and then were "punished either with an administrative action or termination," NOT prosecuted
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 10:06 AM
Aug 2013

and weren't even caught by the NSA but self-reported for the most part

The LOVEINT violations involved overseas communications, officials said, such as spying on a partner or spouse. In each instance, the employee was punished either with an administrative action or termination.

Most of the incidents, officials said, were self-reported. Such admissions can arise, for example, when an employee takes a polygraph tests as part of a renewal of a security clearance.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/08/23/nsa-officers-sometimes-spy-on-love-interests/

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
5. Spying on Government officials
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 10:09 AM
Aug 2013

then blackmailing them to make sure they voice the opinion of the NSA.

The X girlfriend part is just a snowflake on the tip of the iceberg.

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
14. Jeez.. what a maroon!
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 11:23 AM
Aug 2013

Spitzer brought down Spitzer! The prostitute problem was the last in a serious of problems. Ignore history it is bothersome ain't it!

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
11. Opinion of NSA = Voice of MIC
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 10:58 AM
Aug 2013

Money trumps peace. And there's plenty of loot to go around for those who keep their wugs shut.

hunter

(38,304 posts)
15. "Polygraph Tests???" WTF???
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 12:01 PM
Aug 2013

I guess they don't want anyone on board who might grow a conscience.

Requiring polygraph tests selects for people who can pass polygraph tests, and many of these people are going to be the sort who can tell lies easily, without shame or guilt.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
6. Oh, it's just a few bad apples...
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 10:18 AM
Aug 2013


...and their friends and cronies who you don't know about because it's Top Secret.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
10. of course, blackmail would never happen either, oh no
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 10:58 AM
Aug 2013

Our beloved public officials would never ever stoop to blackmail.



People seem to have forgotten Dick Cheney went personally to the CIA. Yes, it wasn't blackmail, but still highly inappropriate imho.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
12. Every LE agency, including local police departments, experience the same kind of abuses.
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 11:04 AM
Aug 2013

It's human nature. What matters is how the various organizations handle them. This article makes it sound as if the NSA has more protections in place than others. The regular polygraph tests no doubt help.

In fact, maybe the best point of this is that local LE agencies should be administered the same sort of ongoing tests.

Anyone, basically, who is in a position to abuse his or her authority.
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