Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

LiberalArkie

(15,713 posts)
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 10:18 AM Aug 2013

Question on NSA file access security

I am assuming that the NSA's file system is at least as current as NTFS, then how in hell do they not know which files Snowden accessed. I have to also assume that the audit logs can only be accessed by very senior level IT management.

Can they be so arrogant that they are assuming that anyone with a security clearance can be trusted.

They seem to not be following guidelines that normal IT departments follow.

Or is it that no one has a high enough "need to know" to be read into what he accessed.

Really strange, I tend to think that they were so arrogant that they allowed to audit trail to be erased or edited by a contractor.

6 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
1. Whatever the case, it sounds like they didn't follow their own hardening guidelines.
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 01:38 PM
Aug 2013

NSA puts out hardening guidelines for network equipment, various server OS's, and even home PC's. these standards are both respected and widely adopted (anecdotal--I've seen wide adoption in the places I've worked). I think they should update all of these documents and add "just kidding" at the bottom. What an embarrassment.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
2. The system was outsourced.
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 01:42 PM
Aug 2013

Privatized. Contractor got it up fast. Security was not a concern. This is just my opinion.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
3. Since we don't really know what documents Snowden actually has,
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 01:50 PM
Aug 2013

your question is pretty hard to answer. The briefing documents we've all seen are not really that sensitive, despite their classification level. Much of the info in them is already widely and publicly available.

Now, there may be more sensitive documents that haven't been released yet, but I rather doubt it. If there was truly damaging information in them, they'd have been released. Odds are that most are not that crucial or damaging.

I'm sure that the really sensitive internal stuff at the NSA is well-compartmented and access tightly controlled.

jmowreader

(50,553 posts)
5. If Snowden's last act was to hack the log files, they'd never be able to tell
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 02:07 PM
Aug 2013

They are not saying it in public, but SIGINTers believe in worst-case scenarios, and the worst case here is Snowden, who was stealing files the entire time he was a contractor across two different employers, has a copy of every file on every computer he could access.

LiberalArkie

(15,713 posts)
6. As a contractor he should have never had the access level to even read much less write
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 05:20 PM
Aug 2013

to the access logs. That should have have been such a high level that even the director of NSA should not have access. That is the way things are in most secure places.

But I have seen programs that can remove all the dn's from a very large switch that is open to the internet (for the outside customers to manage their services) have the root login name and password shown on the login display page. Fought like hell to have it changed, but upper management ruled me out because the CONTRACTORS bitched about changing it.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Question on NSA file acce...