A bloodied nose approval rating among liberal democrats has risen to nearly 100%

[hootinholler]

When the alternative is a poke in the eye with a pointy stick.

See how that poll works?

Full disclosure: This post is simply illustrative and a parody of the seemingly endless approval rating posts who aren't fooling anyone. No actual people were actually contacted mainly because it is silly to poll the painfully obvious.

[woo me with science]

1. Excellent.

[hootinholler]

2. Thank you.

It seemed like it needed saying.

[sabrina 1]

32. It did! Lol!

[Robb]

3. I was under the impression there was no difference between the bloody nose and the poke in the eye.

Ah, DU.

[woo me with science]

4. Then you have not been paying attention.

The game is *lesser* of two evils.

That's how they get people to vote for the bloody nose.

[Robb]

7. See, I should've waited a few minutes and done better.

The better comment would've been, "There's not a dime's worth of difference between 'a bloody nose' and 'a poke in the eye with a sharp stick!'"

But of course then I'd be accused of shilling for "a kick in the ass."

[hootinholler]

5. Do you want President Kick to the Scrotum?

How does that sound Bucko! Well, do you? DO. YOU?

That's what you will get with that attitude.

[Robb]

8. God DAMN it you beat me to it. And did better.

See above.

[hootinholler]

10. You were spot on with dime's worth

Yeah I saw it.

[Vanje]

24. Damn you!

You made me spill my coffee.

[hootinholler]

25. You tripped over that humongous oreo

That's my story.

[Octafish]

6. Giant Ants.

Them.

[woo me with science]

9. Lizards.

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"It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..."

"You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"

"No," said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, "nothing so simple. Nothing anything like to straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."

"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."

"I did," said Ford. "It is."

"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't the people get rid of the lizards?"

"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."

"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"

"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."

"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"

"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in."


From So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish, by Douglas Adams

[zeemike]

17. "the wrong lizard might get in."

That pretty much sums it up.

[hootinholler]

23. The worst sort of lizard might get in! n/t

[reusrename]

60. It could happen again, it's happened before...

I hope I don't need a sarcasm thingy for this.

[Octafish]

21. Awesome! The Mothership! The Mothership!

The Blimp

Mothers band member: "One, two . . ."

Frank Zappa: "You ready?"

MBM: ". . .three, four"

FZ: "Okay, go"

Master master
This is recorded thru uh flies ear
'n you have t' have uh flies eye t' see it
It's the thing that's gonna make Captain Beefheart
And his magic band fat
Frank it's the big hit
It's the blimp
It's the blimp Frank
It's the blimp
When I see you floatin' down the gutter
I'll give you uh bottle uh wine
Put me on the white hook
Back in the fat rack
Shad rack ee shack
The sumptin' hoop the sumptin' hoop
The blimp the blimp
The drazy hoops the drazy hoops
They're camp they're camp
Tits tits the blimp the blimp
The mother ship the mother ship
The brothers hid under their hood
From the blimp the blimp
Children stop yer nursin' unless yer renderin' fun
The mother ship
The mother ship's the one
The blimp the blimp
The tapes uh trip it's uh trailin' tail
It's traipse'n along behind the blimp the blimp
The nose has uh crimp
The nose is the blimp the blimp
It blows the air the snoot isn't fair
Look up in the sky there's uh dirigible there
The drazy hoops whirl
You can see them just as they were
All the people stir
'n the girls knees trembles
'n run 'n wave their hands
'n run their hands over the blimp the blimp
Daughter don't yuh dare
Oh momma who cares
It's the blimp it's the blimp

Dialogue:

Don Van Vliet: "That's it . . . hello?"

Frank Zappa: "Hello."

DVV: "Did you get it?"

FZ: "Sure did. It's beautiful. (laughs) I think that we have enough on the tape to, er, just use that as it is for the album. Okay, I'm gonna listen to it back now. I gotta go right to where . . ."

From "Hot Rats."

[KittyWampus]

29. What every happened to Swamp Rat?

[Octafish]

100. Don't know. I miss Ol' Swampy.

Guy kicked the living hell out of the BFEE.

[HarveyDarkey]

55. Looking at the graphic: what ever happened to Swamp Rat. do you know?

[Octafish]

63. Dunno.

I miss Swamp Rat, too.

[progressoid]

22. I miss him.

But I remain hopeful that Stephen Fry will eventually break his promise and reveal the mystery behind "42".

I just watched the BBC TV adaptation of Dirk Gently. Unfortunately, it cancelled due to funding problems.

[Octafish]

65. Me, too. SwampRat and Stephen Fry are great.

SwampRat let the gangsters have it.



Fry played Field Marshall Haig to perfection.

[sabrina 1]

34. Lol, 'the wrong Lizard might get in'!

[Fumesucker]

11. ~snort~

[hootinholler]

15. I was worried it would be like this

[Cryptoad]

12. Yea we know,,,,,,,

nothing is as it seems......

LMAO!

[mick063]

14. I'll go down swinging and sleep well at night afterwards.

If there ever comes a time to gloat, I will bathe in it.

Meanwhile, enjoy high tide.


The President's term cannot end soon enough for me. I'm ready for primary season.

[truebluegreen]

76. +100

[RC]

16. Excellent paraphrasing of the other "Poll"

This one I can DU recd with a clear conscience. The other thread is plainly wrong, as that many Liberal Democrats could not be hoodwinked into believing Obama is anything other than the Republican mostly lite, he governs as.

[hootinholler]

18. My real problems with it are:

It's presented without context. The questions are unknown. I can imagine a set of questions to ask that can be aggregated and it would produce very high marks for Obama even among those with serious criticisms of the administration.

It's presented week after week by the faithful as gospel.

So they can post the silly poll and I can poke it with a pointy stick.

[RC]

19. I noticed that too.

They wouldn't dare post the questions of any such survey here. The non kool-aid drinkers would tear it apart.
Anyway, I think you did a needed service in your OP. If we don't stand up and counter them, the non-liberal and their spin will become the voice of DU.

[hootinholler]

20. I fear that if too many put them on ignore

No one will notice the shift in discussion here and we will effectively become a cool aid stand.

[RC]

31. Ignore sure is advertized a lot as the fix.

I have never understood that. Why can't most people just skip over some posts as I do. It is easy. That is what the scroll wheel was invented for.
Post by some DU'ers are just are not worth reading, but the responses to them sometimes are classic gold. What is wrong with being able to see both sides?

[KoKo]

93. One can always "Log Out" of DU and read the posts and replies though.

That way one isn't tempted to lash out and get banned. Some of them are impossible to deal with because of the one liners and lack of reason but if one is not in the best of moods it's tempting to reply harshly...and then POOF you are gone while the person who instigates is still there.

We just lost an OWS DU'er because of a harsh comment that was OTT about Israel but they weren't a troll. So...one has to be careful. Especially those of us who are "on the edge" with what's going on with the Spying and Syria...

Just saying..

[RC]

96. They are picking off the more Liberal and Progressive, one by one.

Either that, or driving them away. Truth and facts are mattering less and less.

[KoKo]

99. That's another reason why "Ignore" is one's best friend if one wants

to still have a voice here. "Selective Ignore" ...because there are still some who don't cross over into "Aggravated Assault" to get you or I banned...because they are subtle for awhile... But, "Caution is the Best Part of Valor," (that old saying) for those of us who seem to have some Moral or Conscience Driven Personalities...in these times.

[RC]

101. I walk away when I see where they are trying to take it.

Either that or play with them for a bit. Some are not as smart as they think they are. They come across as condescending to Liberals/Progressives and it shows. (Why are they allow to stay on a non-Right wing site in the first place?)
They use several known scripts to 'get to someone'. The most used is "misinterpreting" what was posted, with some off the wall, Black/white, either/or, made up fiction, as if those were the only two choices or one extreme must somehow follow the other. (It must be hell in their binary world, trying to make sense of things on a 'Liberal' web site.)
Sometime it is fun to string them along by quoting some of their own conflicting posts back to them. The 'smarter' ones can sometimes actually be easier to play with, as they can't defend against their own posts. Some just deny that was what they posted.
I learned during the META Wars not to let them get to me. Also, I stay out of the the 3 most contentious places around here and avoid their main mono-issue when it shows up in General Discussion or wherever. They are just daring anyone to disagree with them to fuel their outrage anyway. I noticed that one of the more high profile, in-your-face outragers came back after a vacation from DU this morning.

Oh, don't forget your Black list, to helps to keep you safe too.

[sabrina 1]

41. That is the only reason I don't have anyone on ignore. I noticed that

a lot of the BS goes unchallenged a lot of the time now, mainly because so many people do put them on ignore. That could lead to the wrong impression. But I do understand the temptation to do so.

[Recursion]

26. So, when the data don't fit your theory, it's the data that are wrong?

Where have I heard that before?

[RC]

36. Or in you case, not theory, facts.

When you collect enough information on whatever subject, a picture emerges. If the picture does not look right, if it seems distorted, or too bright, too neat and compact, either something is wrong with the information you have (spin, propaganda, lies), or the you don't have enough information for a clear picture yet - Or both.
The farther Right one goes in the political spectrum, the more apt one is to find lies and spin and misinformation.

[sabrina 1]

35. Don't forget that the Third Way have become 'Liberals' now!

'What's in a name, a rose by another name would smell as sweet'!

No one says it better than Shakespeare.

[RC]

44. It seems anyone can call themselves a Democrat now, no matter what they stand for.

Pro-War, Pro-NSA, Anti-whistle-blowers, Anti-Universal Health Care, Against raising the Minimum wage, whatever. Pushing the person over their agenda. It is all right here on DU right now.
You will notice they say Democrat, not Liberal, Not progressive, not Left of Center, Democrat. That way they do not lie, because now Democrats extends so far to the Right, some Tea-Partys are eyeing us to join too.

[sabrina 1]

56. Yes, I don't recognize many of these people calling themselves

Democrats as what I know to be a Democrat. They remind me of the Bush supporters I used to fight with.

[RC]

62. They probably were.

Whatever happened to being a Democrat likened to herding a bunch of cats? Will Rogers would be so confused as to some who were calling themselves Democrats (DLC, New Democrats, DINO's in general) now a days. In fact he would be wondering why the party was still calling themselves Democrats, when they are so far to the Right.

[GeorgeGist]

27. The Grand Bargain ...

how big a payoff do the other guys get?

[stevenleser]

28. That line of reasoning might work if the President's approval was measured against the GOPs.

Or against some particular hated rival. It's not. It's measured all by itself.

See how that works?

[dionysus]

30. get with the program.. all the "true liberals(TM)" can't stand the president and anyone who

tells you otherwise is a liar!1!111!!!

fallback nonsense: "well they call themselves liberals but they're not "true liberals(tm)"

[stevenleser]

33. I hear you. I'm sure some variation of that will be coming at me shortly.

That or some kind of ad-hominem comment.

It's interesting the arguments you get from people when empirical data disagrees with a narrative they are trying to push.

[Recursion]

38. Where would the Internet be without the No True Scotsman fallacy? (nt)

[uponit7771]

72. +1

[sabrina 1]

37. Once the Third Way began calling themselves 'Liberals', the word

has no meaning. But for the purpose of a poll, I suppose it makes it sense: 'How would you identify yourself politically:

1) Third Way
2) Liberal

Why, Liberal of course!

[stevenleser]

39. That is not the argument the OP is making, but you did manage to turn dionysus into a seer. nt

[sabrina 1]

42. No, it's the argument I'm making. And I don't believe in 'seers' so I'm sorry

if I am the cause of someone turning into one.

[stevenleser]

43. The OP is about the polling for Obama being high because the OP alleges it is in comparison to the

GOP.

If you want to discuss another reason, I would be happy to do so under another OP.

[sabrina 1]

46. Lol, did you think I was too stupid to know what the OP is about?

How ... what should I call it, 'superior' of you!

No, I don't want to discuss another reason, or do it another thread.

If I did I would start another thread.

I did exactly what I wanted to do.

I am a pretty independent woman and tend to know exactly what I am doing and why and generally if I want advice I ask for it.

From people whose opinions I value.

[stevenleser]

48. What you didn't seem to know is that you were thread-jacking

No, I'm not playing the game where once the OP's unfounded theory is refuted about why empirical data shows something, commenter's offer half a dozen to a dozen other new crazy theories about that same empirical data.

If you aren't defending the OP's theory, which I can understand since it is ridiculous, and you aren't refuting it, but instead offering a completely different theory, you're changing the subject, which is thread-jacking.

[sabrina 1]

54. Excuse me?? Show me the rule that says if

someone has a related thought to the subject of the OP it is 'thread-jacking.

I read the OP and added a thought of my own, definitely related, sorry if you can't, or don't want to, expand your mind to encompass a related thought.

Different POSSIBLE theory, same subject. Related!

The OP was validated, not refuted. But people see what they want to see.

I will comment as I see fit on any topic.

[stevenleser]

57. You can look up the meaning of thread-jacking yourself. Google has over 3 million hits on the term

I'm not responsible for teaching folks netiquette.

[dionysus]

49. no kidding.. as if on cue...

[stevenleser]

58. Said it before, I'll say it again, it's entertainment to see how people conduct themselves when...

a precious theory of theirs is contradicted by empirical data. Some folks, who are smart, admit their error and move on.

Others... well...

[Bobbie Jo]

74. lol

Priceless.

[Recursion]

40. The number of people who know the term "third way" is vanishingly small

OTOH, I'd bet most Democrats in the US (for some value of "most&quot don't want to go back to the days of nominating McGovern and Mondale, which is basically the sine qua non of the Third Way in the US.

In most polls I've seen, the options are "liberal", "moderate", and "conservative", and are asked separately from party affiliation.

[sabrina 1]

45. I don't know anyone, any Democrat, who doesn't know the term 'the Third Way'

at this point. Maybe a few years ago people didn't know what had gone wrong our Party, but they sure know now. And that is a good thing.

Too bad we don't have a George McGovern right now. I can't think of anyone in the Party who would make a better President and after all we've learned over the past decade, he would be such a refreshing 'change'.

A real War Hero, not a phony like Bush. I wasn't there when he ran, but I would give anything to have a man like that to vote for right now. Decent, honest, strong, in the real sense of the word.

It's funny, he never 'used' his military record as far as I know, seems those WW11 vets didn't feel the need to do so.

I find your comment offensive the same way I found Tweetie's several years ago when I lost total respect for him and never watched him again.

It was after the staged 'Mission Accomplished' ridiculousness and Tweetie was drooling over Bush's 'codpiece', the 'way he strutted across the deck', 'a real man', 'women LOVE this kind of President.' He talked about having a 'tingle in my leg'. ugh it was sickening.

And then he proved to me forever what a stupid, moronic idiot he is when he went on to say:

'Can you imagine a Democrat being able to look like this, a hero? I mean, George McGovern eg?

Really, so a cowardly moron who did everything he could to get out of fighting in a war he says he 'isn't sure whether he supported it or not' and went AWOL from Texas to Tweetie is a 'hero', while he couldn't imagine a REAL WAR hero 'looking like that'?

Obviously he had no idea of McGovern's War Record. And he was right, I could never imagine a real hero like McGovern, EVER looking like the fool Bush looked like when he chose to pose in his cod piece rather than remove it as a real war pilot would have done.

I could only wish for someone like McGovern.. Otoh, It would be an insult to McGovern to even ask him to apply for a job that has sunk so low that the likes of Bush or Reagan were 'qualified' for it.

We get the Government we deserve, so you may be right. We don't deserve a Democrat like McGovern. Not until WE evolve as a people.

[Recursion]

47. And Pauline Kael didn't know anyone who voted for Nixon

You're kind of proving my point.

Too bad we don't have a George McGovern right now. I can't think of anyone in the Party who would make a better President

Being the President requires becoming the President, so any third-wayer would be better than him.

I don't know anyone, any Democrat, who doesn't know the term 'the Third Way'

You're also politically tuned-in and keep up with current events. Do you go to party meetings much? Do you do knock and drags at election times? Even at the party meetings saying things like "third way" or "neoliberal" gets blank stares. At a knock and drag I'm lucky if the voter remembers the candidate's name.

[sabrina 1]

52. Not where I live, true a few years ago I did not know who these

war mongering, Wall St supporters, anti SS morons were, but information travels fast these days, especially among young people. Now I know more than I wanted to know about them, who they are, how they infiltrated the party.

A Third Wayer would be no better than a Republican. They ARE Republicans except for pretending to care about a few 'left' issues, which they really could not care less about.

If a Third Wayer runs, we will be choosing between two Republicans.

George McGovern would have been a great president. But he is not an option, sadly.

I will not support a Third Way Candidate. If that happens I will focus on Congress so that it we can get enough Real Democrats to make sure no matter who occupies the WH, it won't matter. Congress is where the power should be. THAT is where the focus should be now.

[Art_from_Ark]

97. And instead of McGovern, we got Nixon-Agnew

The only President- Vice President team to resign in disgrace (although bu$h-Cheney should have resigned in disgrace)

[dionysus]

50. outside of political junkie message boards, no one knows what the fuck the Third way is.

[sabrina 1]

53. There are more political junkies than are on internet forums. Many

do not spend time online, they are still political junkies. We think if you are not posting on an internet forum you don't know anything. My friend who is very active politically wouldn't know where to find a political forum, but she reads liberal publications, watches foreign and national news such as Democracy Now eg and knows as much about politics, maybe more, than anyone here.

[hootinholler]

67. WTF???

nominating McGovern and Mondale, which is basically the sine qua non of the Third Way in the US.

WOW! I had to google sine qua non to be sure. and I found: an indispensable and essential action, condition, or ingredient

So your claim is that nominating candidates like McGovern and Mondale (who were both defeated by dirty tricks, not on their liberal platforms) demonstrates you either don't know what sine qua non means, or are clueless about who and what the turd way are. Oh and considering that they were recently founded from the remnants after the DLC broke up they didn't have jack to do with either of those elections.

I'll give you a clue, they will be supporting Hillary and possibly others to the far right of the party.

[Recursion]

68. You might want to check the whole sentence

don't want to go back to the days of nominating McGovern and Mondale, which is basically the sine qua non of the Third Way in the US.

Not wanting to go back to those days is what makes Third Way what it is.

[hootinholler]

70. Ok, I misinterpreted that.

Here I thought it was friendly fascism that made them that way.

[Recursion]

71. It was a pretty wandering clause, I admit (nt)

[LordGlenconner]

77. You assume the goal is to win

When in reality, the goal is simply to covet the struggle.

[geek tragedy]

88. So, you're reduced to dismissing everyone who calls themself a liberal Democrat.

Talk about self-marginalizing.

[sabrina 1]

91. Let me put it this way, I know a Liberal Democrat when I see one.

I would never reduce myself to accepting Republican policies becoming the platform of MY party.

[geek tragedy]

92. Ah, so you've been appointed the Pope of Liberal Democrats, with the power

to excommunicate those who fail your requirements?

The reality, of course, is that you are on the outside looking in re: the Democratic party and its liberal base, not the other way around.

Doesn't mean you're wrong on the issues, just that you are on one extreme of the electorate.

[sabrina 1]

94. More personal insults? Could you try to stick to the issues, this

tactic of refusing to do that and resort to personal attacks is far too old and transparent to be taken seriously.

I looked back to see if I had to resort to insults to make my point, and no, I merely stated my opinion. You otoh seem far too sensitive and angry when someone points out that no Liberal Democrat would ever support, eg, the Privatization of SS.

Anyone who has the Privatization of SS on their policy agenda list is NOT a Liberal Democrat.

As I said, I know a Liberal Democrat when I see one.

Now, maybe you can list the policies that differentiate the 'left' from 'right' and refrain from responding ONLY with personal insults. They have zero effect on me.

[Cha]

59. They're so jealous of PBO's approval ratings among Libs..

they have to make an OP to make sure we all know that they and they alone will decide how popular the President is. rofl.

Yeah, we get it.. they fucking hate him. BFD.

[hootinholler]

69. It's hard to see how that works

Since Gallup isn't very up front with their methodology nor their questions. They present an amalgam of polls distilled into the most meaningless statistic useful only as an indicator of popularity movement when compared to itself week over week.

And yet, when I poke fun at it I'm the one from whom absolute precision is required?

You really don't understand that the OP is not so much about the poll per se, but more about it being held up as gospel on the weeks when it rises so the faithful can be called to their knees and hear the softly spoken magic spell.

[Cali_Democrat]

51. Link?

I assume this post is in response to my thread...a copycat if you will.

I provided a link to back up my post.

Can you?

[hootinholler]

66. I'm pretty sure I said in the OP *exactly* what this is in response to.

It's not just your thread, but the many many threads like it which never tell us who is counted among liberal democrats. Gallup sure isn't disclosing the questions or the tabs.

So other than making a few people who don't like to think for themselves all that much feel good, it's pretty much useless.

Oh, and asking for a link? Really? Did you even read the OP?

[geek tragedy]

61. And DU has never and will never represent

the Democratic base.

[uponit7771]

73. +1,My experience it's mostly wingers who think the world revolves around their forums

[Skraxx]

75. Indeed, But It Sure Does Represent a Significant Sample of

Navel gazing, sanctimonious, ineffective wankers! What are they the base of, one wonders?

[woo me with science]

79. This absurd nonsense again?

The canard about traditional Democrats' being out of the mainstream?

How absurd.

Every single poll this year showed that the electorate was far more on the page of traditional Democrats than the corporate candidates we were offered. Across party lines, voters favored protecting SS and Medicare and curbing military spending.

And the proof of the lie is that candidates pivot LEFTWARD every single election season to win voters. They lie and say that they will support a public option, or protect Social Security, because they know that is what voters want to hear. But as soon as the election is over, it's back to the business of the one percent.

That is what happens when corporations buy elections. And absurd posts like the one you just made are what happens when corporations buy the media and patrol the internet.

You guys desperately need new propaganda writers. And it's adorable the way you come into threads and talk to each other, trying to make it look like there are more of you than there actually are.

[Rex]

81. +1

canard indeed!

[geek tragedy]

90. "Traditional Democrats"

You mean old white people from the South?

Sorry, your crowd is not mainstream. Never has been, never will be.

All you're offering is word salad to try to prove that the 4% of the country that rejects Obama as being a rightwinger somehow represents a mainstream view.

[Cali_Democrat]

80. Yep. n/t

[JoePhilly]

64. But those polls do drive the Combustable Hair Club into fits.

Which is fun to watch.

[sufrommich]

78. "endless approval ratings posts that aren't fooling anyone"

What does that even mean? Only on DU would approval ratings for democrats be seen as somehow sinister or trollish.

[woo me with science]

82. Nope. It just means we are aware

that we are heavily, heavily propagandized.

Where there are surveillance machines, there are also propaganda machines. That's just how authoritarianism rolls.

[hootinholler]

84. It means that every time one of these Gallup nebulas shows an increase in approval

It is trotted out for everyone to oooh and aaaah over when if fact it is a meaningless metric for anything other than identifying which way the wind is blowing this week. Notice they are never posted when the trend is downward.

It is being used as a propaganda tool which proclaims that all is right with the world because today the wind blew from the east.

If this was a weekly event posted so everyone knows which way the wind is blowing this week, I wouldn't object, but it's not like that at all. It is not being done to inform, but to get others to conform.

I'm tired of being told to conform to the turd way agenda, so I'm poking it with a sharp stick.

[sufrommich]

85. " it's being used as a propaganda tool"

Jesus Christ,no it's not. It's an OP in a freaking discussion forum,that's all. Not every thing that doesn't fit how you see things is a god damned conspiracy.This place is getting nuttier and nuttier by the day.

[hootinholler]

86. Jesus Christ yes it is

I make no claims about who may or may not be behind it. It could be some well meaning church lady for all I know.

But make no mistake, it is twisting information to be presented as something it is not, and that is the definition of propaganda.

When someone does that in an OP and anyone who points out the BS is castigated by groupthinkers, well, what conclusions are to be drawn?

[geek tragedy]

89. In other words, the polls are skewed! nt

[Rex]

83. Seriously, I take that poll and its relevancy to reality as serious as I take

some of the epic posters around here. As a matter of fact, since I've been taking their scholarly advice with a big grain of salt...this place is much saner now too. I just laugh at them on the inside now.

[bvar22]

87. When Democrats who approve of President Obama were asked if the APPROVE of President Obama,

81% answered "Yes"!

[Skittles]

95. watch out

they will trot out...............THE LIST!!!!!!!!

[Laelth]

98. Good point. k&r n/t

-Laelth

[Trailrider1951]

102. LOL, you are a HOOT!

They're getting desperate, I tell ya!