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NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 10:20 PM Aug 2013

So we're launching missiles at Syria when, Thursday?

Not to be so nonchalant but its coming and it looks like its coming in a couple days. I read that Obama wants to release the report that justifies a strike a day or so before we attack and the report could be ready Tuesday.

I don't even want to guess what it will do to the region, our relationships, and reactions around the world.

Any guesses when it happens, and what happens as a result? I'll just be over here being sick.

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So we're launching missiles at Syria when, Thursday? (Original Post) NightWatcher Aug 2013 OP
This could be Obama's crowning moment, his greatest fuck up bowens43 Aug 2013 #1
lol darkangel218 Aug 2013 #28
I should search to see if you said same about Libya. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #30
bwahahaha. yeah, that great success. try hot fucking mess cali Aug 2013 #38
And Kosovo. And no, I'm not the one in a fantasy world surrounded by fools who all say the same crap KittyWampus Aug 2013 #42
ooh, quick run from your ignorant Libya comment, kitty cali Aug 2013 #43
Libya wasn't in the middle of the fight warrant46 Aug 2013 #41
Obama should emulate Bush and do a night time fireworks horror show.... Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #34
I remember shock &awe like yesterday darkangel218 Aug 2013 #37
No Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #2
I read on Haeretz and Reuters that the Israelis are snapping up snappyturtle Aug 2013 #9
Mark it down as the day Obama went from medicre to POS. Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #3
Your hate for Obama and your complete lack of perspective Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #5
Like I give two shits what you think. Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #14
your adoration and apologetics and rah rah for war are duly noted. cali Aug 2013 #39
+1 fujiyama Aug 2013 #8
I don't think political naife applies. LiberalAndProud Aug 2013 #46
Obama should stand against such massive killing through chemical weapons. Force is the only option. Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #4
And yet he supports attacking and killing innocents with drones. snappyturtle Aug 2013 #6
Does he? That is news to me. Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #10
Take a gander at this: snappyturtle Aug 2013 #17
only because you refuse to look at reality. cali Aug 2013 #40
Why are we supposed to be the World's Policeman? NightWatcher Aug 2013 #7
Because we should not turn a blind eye to evil acts, and Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #11
Evil? You mean like the NSA spying on us? Wilms Aug 2013 #16
I wouldn't imply to equate the use of chemical weapons on innocent civilians with a govt CAG Aug 2013 #20
How about withdrawing support from, say, the horrible dictatorship in kyrgyzstan? Celefin Aug 2013 #48
It isn't our responsibility but we want control...or the government does. snappyturtle Aug 2013 #13
Didnt the USofA give Saddam Hussein chemical weapons to use on his people? rhett o rick Aug 2013 #45
Why is the US always the strong arm arbiter? LiberalAndProud Aug 2013 #47
I seriously doubt it will be us. alphafemale Aug 2013 #12
There are no good sides and I think that is precisely why we snappyturtle Aug 2013 #18
ummmm. alphafemale Aug 2013 #22
I didn't put that very well. There were individuals who fought; snappyturtle Aug 2013 #24
European nations were funding the efforts. alphafemale Aug 2013 #27
Is there a pool? pscot Aug 2013 #15
No Hekate Aug 2013 #19
If you can't leave the place better off than when you went in, Live and Learn Aug 2013 #21
Why am I reminded of Saddam and all the falsehoods that led to conflict? Coyotl Aug 2013 #23
Because you aren't well informed. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #31
I wasn't well-informed before, but I still knew they were lying to start the war. Coyotl Aug 2013 #33
Let's all masturbate instead, okay? MrMickeysMom Aug 2013 #25
rofl Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #32
Putin will throw a hissy fit. Lint Head Aug 2013 #26
I'm pretty sure one of the other Muslim nations are going to step in. alphafemale Aug 2013 #29
WE WILL BRING THE ASSAD REGIME TO ITS KNEES. THE PEOPLE WILL SHOWER US WITH FLOWERS Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #35
Maybe we should wait until he actually does something before freaking out? johnd83 Aug 2013 #36
you don't need to read a crystal ball: U.S. officials have said the attack will cali Aug 2013 #44
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
38. bwahahaha. yeah, that great success. try hot fucking mess
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 10:36 AM
Aug 2013

you live in a fantasy world of adoration for the President and no reality gets between you and your adoration.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
42. And Kosovo. And no, I'm not the one in a fantasy world surrounded by fools who all say the same crap
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 10:43 AM
Aug 2013

I read a lot of different sources.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
43. ooh, quick run from your ignorant Libya comment, kitty
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 11:18 AM
Aug 2013

you clearly need to work on your reading comprehension if you labor under the illusion that Libya has been a success since our military intervention.

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
41. Libya wasn't in the middle of the fight
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 10:41 AM
Aug 2013

Now we have

USA USA USA !!!



George W. Bush - 9/11 Bullhorn Speech
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
2. No
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 10:30 PM
Aug 2013

The Obama administration has not yet made that decision. They are still in consultation with allies and chemical weapons experts.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
9. I read on Haeretz and Reuters that the Israelis are snapping up
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 10:48 PM
Aug 2013

gas masks, British military planes have arrived on Cyprus and the
Russians are verbally warning us....I think things are further along.
I also believe the UN is moot at this point. Nothing of any substance
will be passed there.

 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
3. Mark it down as the day Obama went from medicre to POS.
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 10:37 PM
Aug 2013

He and bush can paint pictures together when he finally leaves the Whitehouse.

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
8. +1
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 10:46 PM
Aug 2013

This must be how Democrats felt with Johnson after the Tet Offensive - and Obama doesn't have near the domestic political accomplishments as Johnson (sorry, the mediocre stimulus and bailouts to banks don't compare to the Civil Rights Acts and the Great Society). While Obama was courageous on Gay Rights, even that came late.

But what makes Obama even more disappointing in many ways is that we had incredibly high hopes and while much inaction can be laid squarely at the feet of nasty and petulant republicans incapable of governing at any level, Obama has proven to be weak, muddling, and a political naife.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
46. I don't think political naife applies.
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 01:58 PM
Aug 2013

As much as I disagree with Obama on policy, whatever force motivates him, it is not political naivete.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
4. Obama should stand against such massive killing through chemical weapons. Force is the only option.
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 10:40 PM
Aug 2013

Do you not think there were tragic lessons learned from the world's failure to act in a timely way in Bosnia and Rwanda?

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
17. Take a gander at this:
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 11:09 PM
Aug 2013
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/05/opinion/bergen-obama-drone


CNN) -- Covert drone strikes are one of President Obama's key national security policies. He has already authorized 283 strikes in Pakistan, six times more than the number during President George W. Bush's eight years in office.

As a result, the number of estimated deaths from the Obama administration's drone strikes is more than four times what it was during the Bush administration -- somewhere between 1,494 and 2,618.


NOTE: Article dated 2012.....but a simple Google search pulls up many
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
40. only because you refuse to look at reality.
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 10:38 AM
Aug 2013

only been posted over and over again that under your adored hero President, hundreds of civilians including children and first responders have been killed by drone strikes.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
7. Why are we supposed to be the World's Policeman?
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 10:45 PM
Aug 2013

Why is it our responsibility? We are still a relatively young country yet it falls on us to solve the world's problems?

This is a region that is pretty screwed up already without anymore meddling from us.

I hope we stay out of it, but I fear the ships are on their way and the plan's already been put in place.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
11. Because we should not turn a blind eye to evil acts, and
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 10:49 PM
Aug 2013

When it is reasonably within our power to stop such evil, we should.

CAG

(1,820 posts)
20. I wouldn't imply to equate the use of chemical weapons on innocent civilians with a govt
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 11:21 PM
Aug 2013

agency spying on emails, but to each his own, I guess.

Celefin

(532 posts)
48. How about withdrawing support from, say, the horrible dictatorship in kyrgyzstan?
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 02:15 PM
Aug 2013

See, that was an easy and cheap way of stopping evil.

But the military bases there are needed to project power and a corrupt dictatorship that brutally suppresses any and all dissent makes operating in secrecy so much easier. And there's no fireworks on CNN so no public support or interest.

Yes we should stop evil. But we don't and we won't when not convenient or profitable.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
13. It isn't our responsibility but we want control...or the government does.
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 10:57 PM
Aug 2013

I don't think it has much to do with humanitarian purposes
although that give us much cover. We've ignored far too
much in the past for this atrocity to be the event to set our
morals straight. This is a tinderbox and if the Israelis get
involved we will be 'at war' for a long time. imho

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
45. Didnt the USofA give Saddam Hussein chemical weapons to use on his people?
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 01:52 PM
Aug 2013

Why dont we let France take the ball this time? Or Turkey?

What safety net must we sacrifice wage war in Syria? Social Security? Looks like a win-win for the neo-cons and conservatives. They get more war and an end to SS and Medicare.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
47. Why is the US always the strong arm arbiter?
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 02:06 PM
Aug 2013

The UK has said no thanks already. It must be comfy to live in other parts of the world where one can sit on one's hands and wait for the USA to intervene wherever it is necessary. Obama can't even point to a willing coalition for this action. It will be a unilateral operation. In Bush's hands, that was summarily evil, and we laughed when he justified himself by pointing to a willing coalition. Don't forget Poland! Now, in Obama's hands, force is the only option.

If it is true that he who lives by the sword dies by the sword, our reckoning will be grievous.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
12. I seriously doubt it will be us.
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 10:54 PM
Aug 2013

but somebody is going to take action. And soon.

What sucks is there are no good sides.

But images of children strangling to death is not a thing easily tolerated.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
18. There are no good sides and I think that is precisely why we
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 11:13 PM
Aug 2013

should refrain from being militarily involved. Denouncements....yes.
Humanitarian aid....yes. But that's it.

Can you imagine if multi-nationals had invaded our civil war?

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
24. I didn't put that very well. There were individuals who fought;
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 11:47 PM
Aug 2013

lots of them if my memory of high school history recalls correctly.
I guess I look at that entirely differently the nations collaborating
to send their armies.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
21. If you can't leave the place better off than when you went in,
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 11:29 PM
Aug 2013

you have no business being there. We haven't left a place better off in a long time and are in fact responsible for killing many civilians ourselves. First do no harm is a good motto for anything!

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
23. Why am I reminded of Saddam and all the falsehoods that led to conflict?
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 11:43 PM
Aug 2013

Same old keywords, I suspect: "allegedly, possibly, .....

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
33. I wasn't well-informed before, but I still knew they were lying to start the war.
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 01:35 AM
Aug 2013

So, whose lies are they this time?

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
35. WE WILL BRING THE ASSAD REGIME TO ITS KNEES. THE PEOPLE WILL SHOWER US WITH FLOWERS
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 01:48 AM
Aug 2013

And then the new govt. will show its appreciation with oil, gas, and mineral contracts.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
44. you don't need to read a crystal ball: U.S. officials have said the attack will
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 11:19 AM
Aug 2013

come as early as Thursday.

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