Why the FUCK should we in this country give a fuck what Syria does to it's own people

[bigdarryl]

Because I for one don't care if (And this is a BIG IF) they gassed there own people. With all the problems we have in this country with killing of our own people I mean are we CRAZY!!!!.I'm equal opportunity on this one I opposed Bush war mongering and am opposing Obama's war mongering also.

[Kelvin Mace]

1. Why the fuck should I care

what the Germans do to their own people? Because I one don't care if (And this is a BIG IF) they gassed there own people.

Is it 1938 again already?

With all the problems we have in this country with killing of our own people I mean are we CRAZY!!!!

Really? Other than gun violence how many civil wars do we have going on?

[David__77]

57. Hitler analogies are soooo wrong.

By that measure, any US president is Hitler too. Jesus fucking Christ.

[Kelvin Mace]

70. Hey, the poster said "gassing his own people"

The Hitler analogy was justified, and how do you make the jump that "any US president is Hitler too"? I don't recall any U.S. president gassing his own people, so your "measure" is seriously in need of calibration

[Arctic Dave]

2. How many people did in the US for lack of food, shelter and medical access.

More then the amount of people killed by the people who used that gas.

I do think it was the army but the jihadist.

Let Assad wipe them out, the less AQ in the world the better.

[BainsBane]

3. Really? You don't care what happens to people outside the US?

You don't care how many children are gassed to death? Rwanda, no problem? The Holocaust, not our issue?

I'm not saying military intervention is the way to handle the Syrian situation, but proclaiming indifference to the massacre and gassing of civilians strikes me as inhumane.

[muriel_volestrangler]

46. Well put

Indifference to suffering is noting to be proud of. The questions are what happened, and what actions, if any, would make things better in the future. There are decent arguments on both (or many?) sides about that, but "who cares if people are getting killed" isn't one of them.

[Heidi]

4. Have we even been formally _invited_ by any of the local parties to this war? (nt)

[BainsBane]

12. Rebels have been asking for assistance for sometime

and renewed their appeal again after last week's gassing.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/940ad360-d4e7-11e2-9302-00144feab7de.html#axzz2dBxmIkYU
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/08/24/syrians-rally-against-assad-regime-and-protest-last-week-reported-chemical-attacks/cbPRouyFtBMwz1YPunDc6J/story.html

[KurtNYC]

21. and the rebels have been getting assistance for some time... from Al Qaeda

June 14:

BEIRUT — A Syrian rebel group's April pledge of allegiance to al-Qaeda's replacement for Osama bin Laden suggests that the terrorist group's influence is not waning and that it may take a greater role in the Western-backed fight to topple Syrian President Bashar Assad.

The pledge of allegiance by Syrian Jabhat al Nusra Front chief Abou Mohamad al-Joulani to al-Qaeda leader Sheik Ayman al-Zawahri was coupled with an announcement by the al-Qaeda affiliate in Iraq, the Islamic State of Iraq, that it would work with al Nusra as well.

Lebanese Sheik Omar Bakri, a Salafist who says states must be governed by Muslim religious law, says al-Qaeda has assisted al Nusra for some time.

"They provided them early on with technical, military and financial support , especially when it came to setting up networks of foreign jihadis who were brought into Syria," Bakri says. "There will certainly be greater coordination between the two groups."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/04/11/syria-al-qaeda-connection/2075323/

[Agnosticsherbet]

5. If Assad murders babies in their cribs with chemical weapons it is none of our business...

If they ain't American, they ain't shit.

(NOTE: The above statement contained hyperbole and sarcasm.

hyperbole - Definition [-pur-buh-lee] (n.) Obvious exaggeration

sarcasm - Definition [sahr-kaz-uhm] (n.) Scornful, ironic language)

[David__77]

58. Yeah, taking babies from incubators.

He's even killing members of al Qaeda!

[Agnosticsherbet]

59. We have the dead children in Syria on video...

And it has been reported from numerous independent sources.

So I guess that's the same thing? All the reports must be in on it.

[David__77]

60. Yeah, the terrorists are killing lots of Christian and Alawite children.

It's time to stop supporting those terrorists. It's criminal and sickening.

[Agnosticsherbet]

63. Are they. Well that makes it OK if both sides do it. n/t

[David__77]

64. No, it makes it a civil war. One that the US has supported the al Qaeda side in.

I think the US should step back from it entirely.

[Agnosticsherbet]

67. And you know that every rebel is Al Qaeda, how?

And if that were true, what difference would it make.

The people want to chose their own government after decades of dictators.

Besides, the whole Al Qaeda boogieman has been over done. Time for Alawites dictators to move into history.

[MNBrewer]

6. We should care, A LOT!

One thing we should not do is rush headlong into a military "solution" to the problem.

[LisaLynne]

38. Exactly.

We can care and we can act, but that does NOT have to mean a war.

[deurbano]

51. Yes.

[blm]

7. Then why have a UN or any International Law standards, at all?

This is NOT a rush to war based on cooked intel like Iraq. This has been an 8year ordeal of trying to NOT go to war in Syria unless it was a last resort.

Had more of you paid attention to the efforts that were taken over the course of the last 8 years to PREVENT war in Syria, specifically by Kerry, and then later by Obama and Biden, you wouldn't be mischaracterizing the current situation as warmongering.

[Egnever]

25. ahahaha

You want these folks to pay attention? Too funny. They are too busy being outraged.

[MNBrewer]

40. what the FUCK are you talking about?

8 year ordeal of trying to not go to war in Syria??? That's an outright LIE!

[closeupready]

8. Killing children, and you don't give a fuck.

Welcome to my ignore, Big Dummy.

[quinnox]

9. whoa, I can't go that far

I saw the picture of the kids all laying next to each other, dead. You would have to be inhuman to not feel outrage and disgust at that befalling them. That said, my strong opinion is the USA should not get involved.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

10. I do give a fuck when apostrophes are misused!!!! Someone's in need of a visit from the 101st

punctuation division.

[Turborama]

16. Calling 101st Airborne Division..

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

17. .

BTW, you now have 17 internets.




.

[leftstreet]

27. LOL

[JEB]

11. Come on bigdarryl, you've got to think of the

OIL.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

13. Because you're a human being and we all live under the same sun?

Jesus, what a disgusting post.

And thanks for Twitterizing DU.

[narnian60]

45. +1000 nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

14. I do care what Syria does, but I still don't support missile strikes or invasions

It's very unsatisfying to be a liberal sometimes. I'd like nothing better than to see Assad get his head erased. But I don't think we should be the ones doing it, because I think the cure would turn out to be worse than the original malady, as we've found out so many times in our nation's past.

[n2doc]

19. +1 n/t

[pnwmom]

15. Yeah, why should we have cared when Germany was murdering millions of its own people?

They were just Jews, right? And "the gays"? It was just war-mongering for the US to get involved in Europe's problems.




Note: I don't know whether we should get involved in Syria or not, but I do know that total isolationism isn't a good option.

[leftynyc]

28. We didn't care

We didn't get involved because of what was happening to the Jews, Roma, gays or anyone else. We didn't get involved until Pearl Harbor was bombed.

[pnwmom]

32. True. But I thought that war taught us something --

like, maybe we should have cared . . .

[leftynyc]

35. I have seen no evidence of that

in my 52 years of living. Unfortunately.

[leftstreet]

30. The US didn't give a shit

Hello? Pearl Harbor

[pnwmom]

33. So what? The point is that I would have thought

we had all learned something about our lack of intervention in that situation. Could we have saved lives if we bombed the railways heading toward the death camps? We'll never know.

[exlrrp]

54. we learned a lot about intervening in other countries' civil wars

In Vietnam.
Could we have won if we bombed the supply and staging areas in China?
We'll never know

[pnwmom]

56. Vietnam wasn't engaged in genocide or chemical warfare on civilians.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/foreign-affairs-defense/syria-behind-the-lines/does-syria-face-a-genocidal-future/


The agony of Syria couldn’t have been far from President Obama’s mind one morning last April when he visited the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, a short ride across the National Mall from the White House, to announce a series of new policies aimed at arresting threats of genocide around the world.

“Anti-Alawite rage has been documented in reports of executions and by the Sunni slogan about a cleansed post-war Syria, ‘Christians to Beirut, Alawites to the grave!’”

“We need to be doing everything we can to prevent and respond to these kinds of atrocities, because national sovereignty is never a license to slaughter your own people,” he said to applause. He lamented “a bitter truth – too often, the world has failed to prevent the killing of innocents on a massive scale. And we are haunted by the atrocities that we did not stop and the lives we did not save.”

Tens of thousands of Syrian civilians have died in the last year, and the pace quickens. The United States, United Nations, the Arab League and others have been ineffective in shielding civilians or penalizing their killers. Today, Washington is living with the “bitter truth,” surprisingly silent about the urgency of preventing or responding to mass atrocities.

A report last month by a former special adviser on Syria to the Obama administration underscores the stakes of the failure. Ambassador Frederic C. Hof found Syria hurtling towards “full blown sectarian warfare.” His report, commissioned by the Holocaust Museum, concludes: “Left on its current trajectory, Syria is on the path to state failure and sustained sectarian violence, featuring mass atrocities and cleansing that could amount to genocide in some areas.”

[tkmorris]

18. Empathy. Some folks have it, and some don't

Gonna put you down for a "no"...

[sinkingfeeling]

20. Don't get out much do you? People are the same no matter where they

were born. Americans aren't exceptional. Get over it.

[cali]

22. because they're human beings. I oppose military action but that doesn't mean I

don't care.

I find your post callous.

[RevStPatrick]

23. Because we are all human beings.

At least, I assume we all are.
Some us may not be, bigdarryl.

[oldhippie]

24. I care about the kiddies and other innocents being gassed .....

.... but not enough to kill a bunch of other people when I don't have any assurance that I am going to be able to get the people that did it, or stop them from doing it again.

I see many here as prisoners to their emotions, and willing to lash out, without a rational plan or strategy.

[sheplifka]

26. Problem with your logic

We should care because we are all humans and should take an interest when our own kind are in trouble even if they are from another country.

[geek tragedy]

29. How "never again" becomes "foreigners aren't human" nt

[get the red out]

31. I care

But I don't care for the US dropping bombs on this situation either. I just don't see how bombs can create a positive outcome in this.

[RiffRandell]

34. Well, you certainly showed your disgusting true colors.

Shameful.

[indepat]

36. Because the U.S. has given itself the prerogative to be the decider of all issues, both domestically

and internationally.

[Hayabusa]

37. Because people are fucking PEOPLE

[Little Star]

39. Well, I do give a fuck what happened, but...

I'm not sure Syria did it. It happened but I'm not convinced yet that the Syrian Govt. did it. So I am opposed going to war until there is actual proof the Syrian Govt. did it.

When the best evidence is the WH saying there's 'no evidence of any alternative' to Syrian govt. responsibility for chemical attack. That ain't good enough for me.

read more here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023543786

It's pretty sad to see you ask why we should care about the Syrian people, shameful actually.

[deutsey]

42. Agreed

[Chan790]

41. Because questions of human rights trump nationalism and public will. n/t

[Nye Bevan]

43. Would you have "given a fuck" about Auschwitz? (nt)

[Donald Ian Rankin]

44. It's called "morality". If you don't care about it, there's not much that can be said. N.T.

[mainer]

47. I do care, but charging in will lead to more deaths by blowback

and a whole new bunch of reasons for Islamic militants to attack us, because no matter how carefully we do this, it will always end up being America's fault.

[JI7]

48. many people don't care what happens to others outside of their own life

[fujiyama]

49. I know your opinion isn't popular

but I'm going to give you credit for being honest in your isolationist viewpoint. In fact, I actually respect it and am more inclined to agree at this point than I would have been years ago.

Assad isn't threatening the US and honestly unless his actions were a direct threat to our direct security, at this time in particular of economic instability and sequestration, I think unnecessary military actions should not be taken.

And if he's a threat to other nations in the region, they should take care of it. I thought Turkey has a capable military. Isn't that why we sell them so many arms? What about Saudi Arabia? They're one of the largest customers of our "defense" (war) industry. If Europe is so concerned, then France and Britain can once again act upon the "White Man's Burden" post colonial trip they're on.

And just in case anyone accuses me of being ignorant or callous, I've followed this mess from the beginning. My heart goes out to the suffering Syrians, but civil wars and revolutions are best fought organically. We're stretched incredibly thin globally and our budget is basically held hostage to psychos in congress. We're going to get caught in a country where the opposition is made of a myriad of different elements, some of whom are not very friendly to the West and are more inclined to set up a Wahhabiist Sharia state.

I don't want this country to be in the business of creating more theocracies. The Syrians must figure out their own path. What did we end up with in Libya? A dead ambassador. What about Afghanistan? Three thousand dead and two buildings leveled. Iraq? Well we killed several thousand, and now more a dying due to a low level civil war.

[brooklynite]

50. Who the FUCK do you care about?

American Citizens? Those people lucky enough to be born here or financially well off enough to get here? And everyone else can go to hell?

[VanillaRhapsody]

52. Would you have said that to the Jews Hitler was "gassing" too?

[David__77]

66. The Syrian terrorists learn their methods from fascists.

But I don't think the US should intervene on either side in that civil war. We certainly should not be paving the road to power for Osama's friends.

[VanillaRhapsody]

69. And this answers the question how exactly?

Why the hell should we have cared about Hitler killing the Jews in Germany? The world cannot let the use of chemical weapons stand.

[etherealtruth]

53. As a human being I care deeply about this

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I do not know what the best course of action is (I am reasonably sure us killing even more Syrians is NOT best) ... but, the world NEEDS to intervene.

[David__77]

65. Intervene against whom? Al qaeda, or the government fighting al qaeda?

Just curious.

[etherealtruth]

71. Oh "dear God" ... I did not mean to say ....

... killing more Syrians is best ... hoping from the tone of my post folk understood my intention was to say NOT best.

Will edit, as I am horrified

[Starboard Tack]

55. Why should we give a fuck?

Because it is the right thing to do. That's why. How we give a fuck is another question, but indifference is CRAZY!!!
Do you walk on by when you see a kid being bullied, a woman raped, or anyone else in need?
Believe it or not, Syrians are humans too.

[David__77]

61. This is silly, the US already intervened by supporting Syrian terrorists.

If it weren't for that, there wouldn't be those dead people from the attack by whoever (we don't know).

[LostOne4Ever]

62. I do care quite a bit

That is part of the reason I'm against going to war.

If you want to discuss peaceful ways of ending the conflict or ways of bringing comfort to the suffering there or promoting a liberal secular democracy I will wholeheartedly support it.

Raining down death upon the innocent and the guilty alike, making alliances of convenience that will just replace one dictator with another or lead to nonstop civil war and death?

No way in hell.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. Why the FUCK should we in this country give a fuck what Syria does to it's own people?

Because we're liberals.