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Devil's Advocate: for those who favor intervention in Syria (Original Post) sarisataka Aug 2013 OP
You mean, what is most likely to be the truth. Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #1
I am ambivalent sarisataka Aug 2013 #2
I'm not sure our obligation is mitigated. Chan790 Aug 2013 #3
We are learning principles are not easy sarisataka Aug 2013 #4
 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
1. You mean, what is most likely to be the truth.
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 01:49 PM
Aug 2013

Easy, Obama will ignore and bomb away.

Can't move all those war toys around and not use them. Makes you look foolish and we know how Democrats are all about being the new warhawks. It just "business", oops, I meant to type "politics".

sarisataka

(18,621 posts)
2. I am ambivalent
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:10 PM
Aug 2013

Assad is the most likely to have means, motive and opportunity but the rebels do have an outstanding motive. That they could obtain means and opportunity is well withing the realm of possibility.

I favor giving the UN their chance. Stay out until it is proven with a reasonable degree of certainty.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
3. I'm not sure our obligation is mitigated.
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:50 PM
Aug 2013

I'm an extremist though...I believe in a moral imperative for combating genocide and war crimes everywhere and at all times regardless who the perpetrator and victims are. I really do believe we, and any superpower as part of the compact of being a superpower, are obliged to act as a global policeman...but so are the United Nations and the International Criminal Court. Further, I think it's critical that the US sign onto the ICC as part of that compact and as a sign of recognition of our obligation.

To be more direct to the question asked, I feel we should have intervened already and be working to prevent atrocities factually already being committed by both sides. The conflict changes from Serbia to Afghanistan (when the Taliban took over initially in the early 1990s) to Rwanda to Darfur to South Sudan to Libya to Syria but my position remains the same:

We have a irrevocable imperative to combat genocide everywhere and always that supersedes public opinion or the will of the American people. We are at our worst as a nation when we ignore this imperative.


(Conversely, I think pacifism and isolationism should be mocked and crushed wherever they rear their ugly heads as the true social evils they are. They are among the most reprehensible and unforgivable of human philosophical failures.)

sarisataka

(18,621 posts)
4. We are learning principles are not easy
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:58 PM
Aug 2013

isolationism has a poor record of keeping us out of wars. Interventionism has arguably caused more harm than good.

It is easy to say "Never Again", it is hard to do, especially when it isn't always easy to tell which is the "good" side.

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