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It's sad that we as citizens of the United States cannot believe a word our government says; or for that matter can we believe what the governments of our allies publicly state as "facts".
Our government has been caught lying so many times that when it comes to life and death situations, such as the current Syrian situation, they have no currency of integrity to fall back on. We know that our government lied us into previous wars, all the while proclaiming "irrefutable evidence" of some war crime or other egregious action.
The leaders of our "intelligence" community have lied outright to Congress, with no legal ramifications whatsoever. It might be argued that lying to liars should carry no legal ramifications. But that's an argument for another day.
We're on the cusp of sending more of our sons and daughters into harms way based on the words of people known to lie.
Looking at what this country has become brings nothing but shame.
FSogol
(45,464 posts)Cha
(297,029 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
FSogol
(45,464 posts)Cha
(297,029 posts)cooked up war on Iraq and what's being done when something is real.
thank Goodness PBO and SOS Kerry aren't concerned with what some anonymous/and not so anonymous posters on the internet are whining about.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Wes Clark Talks About Syria & Compares To Clinton Bombing Iraqi Intelligence Service (NPR-Today)
Last edited Tue Aug 27, 2013, 05:06 PM USA/ET - Edit history (5)
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/08/27/216155784/retired-gen-wesley-clark-talks-about-precedents-and-syria
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Clark told NPR's Melissa Block that the only similarity between what's going on in Syria, today, and what happened during the Allied intervention in Kosovo, is Russia's unwillingness to support a United Nations resolution supporting a strike.
"The Kosovo campaign, first of all, it wasn't just the bombing that drove the Serbs out. It was the fact that they were engaged with NATO that the Serbs knew that if they didn't accede to pull their forces out and let the Albanians return home that NATO had the capability and was starting to do the planning to put a ground invasion in," Clark said.
The Obama administration has said that regime change would not be the point of any mission in Syria.
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Instead Clark points to attacks directed by President Clinton against the headquarters of the Iraqi Intelligence Service on June 27, 1993.
As Clinton explained at the time, the attack was a "firm and commensurate" response to an Iraqi plot to assassinate President George H.W. Bush. The attacks were swift. For about an hour, U.S. Navy ships launched 23 Tomahawk missiles.
Clark said if the mission in Syria is to prevent the Assad regime from using chemical weapons there are two ways to do it: One is destroying the weapons, which is risky because an explosion can spread toxic elements. The other is to punish the Assad regime by "taking something valuable" by hitting communications infrastructure, intelligence, air defenses or radars.
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"When you start something like this you have to be prepared for an indeterminate length if you have a political objective," Clark said.
However, if the objective is punishment, it can be over quickly with a few missile strikes.
alsame
(7,784 posts)lies to us as well.
There is currently a very similar wargasm on all three cable 'news' channels, that says a lot.
WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)Verifying the veracity of statements made or claimed by any politician leading up to war, they're busy chasing the almighty dollar. War = viewers.
Of course after the fact when the lies are exposed, the news networks will be all over it because controversy = viewers.
The number of flights landing at Dover full of caskets, will be but a footnote.
Cha
(297,029 posts)I know how they are since 2000.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)We need to cut taxes so we can drown the evil government in a bath tub.
Cha
(297,029 posts)do trust the Obama Admin and I am one them.
JI7
(89,244 posts)had to say ? how about the UN ? will you trust what they have to say ?
bvar22
(39,909 posts)..is only proving PT Barnum's claim that "There is a SUCKER born every minute".
I personally believe PT Barnum was way off with his low side estimate of the rate at which suckers are born in the USA.
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